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Contribution to the Writing Community (academic ghostwriting / plagiarism / ethics)

KCR 2 | 1   Freelance Writer
Aug 18, 2014 | #1
As a member of the academic writing community I frequently trawl the web and academic ghostwriting websites, including forums like this. I used to come here to Essayscam for website inspiration and interesting debates. Now, every time I come here, I am met with another tirade of star-filled words and furious debacles. This would be considered inappropriate and unprofessional in a normal community, but it seems that it is acceptable here. However, I still fail to see what the point is of all of this mudslinging and word-bashing? It is not even funny to read, it is just sad. It is like a classroom full of hormonal and "dragged-up-not-brought-up" teenagers; the teacher leaves the room and all hell breaks loose.

All this sinister posting with no contribution to the writing community looks more like misguided attempts at anger management and scribbling art therapy. I am bored. I want an intellectual discussion. I want a debate on the subjects of academic ghostwriting, plagiarism, the moral and ethics and so on. But I guess that "haters are gonna hate", and as this post is sort of adding to all the nonsense here, so I'm going to stop here and move on to a community where there is a chance of some rewarding conversations. Please feel free to join me, I'll be at Reddit.
editor75 15 | 2,008  
Aug 18, 2014 | #2
Your argument is basically, "I come here to tap this place sometimes, and why are there dirty words?" I would say that they stem from a generally murky, somewhat hostile industry filled with competing scumbags, some of whom are trying desperately to take themselves seriously as writers in an environment where their real names will never be attached to any of their work. Good luck on your journey to Reddit to find similarly high-minded, sophisticated homework-doers and professional accessories. You really seem to have your finger on the pulse of youth vernacular, so you have that going for you. I'd lose the high horse, though, if I were you. No one likes a pompous twit.
Major 39 | 1,393 ☆☆☆  
Aug 18, 2014 | #3
I am bored. I want an intellectual discussion.

A true intellectual mind is never bored :
TMG2015 3 | 17   Company Representative
Aug 05, 2015 | #4
Initial Thoughts of a New Member

This site is pretty fascinating to me, as somebody who has been an operator in the industry for a little over a decade in different capacities. Due to maintaining a very specific niche client segment (HNW/UHNW folks), I've never really viewed myself as competing with the general market of companies and freelancers, but I'm super curious what other companies are like. I always assumed that the industry was just scammers (yes, ironic indeed given that I'm part of it). Reading the threads here has somewhat enlightened me, albeit in a slightly disorienting and disorganized way. I can tell that some websites are essentially universally blacklisted (academia-research) while others appear to have higher quality, tension between ESL/native entities, and so on.

This site has the potential to be a source of market research on our industry, if we could cobble together the resources/threads to provide more structured visibility on the industry.

Of course, that may or may not be in our interests as incumbents.
Major 39 | 1,393 ☆☆☆  
Aug 05, 2015 | #5
It IS the source of market research already ;). Why would you like to give more 'visibility' on the industry, though; it's easy for potential customers to do a search and find example research services online.. The trick is to learn how to find reliable and legitimate ones, but that's being discussed in the other thread.
Smiley73 4 | 428 ☆☆☆  
Aug 27, 2017 | #6
@KCR in all offices, when egos of like minded people are gathered in the same room, you can expect an explosive exchange of ideas and a high level of Adrenalin as each person tries to prove his point and come out on top. Each of them have the same objective, to be recognized by potential clients and gain a slice of the market. That is not what I am here for. I do however, recognize that ES has a thriving and boisterous community that reflects that sort of workplace. Sure we can get rowdy at times and there will always be a difference in opinion. That doesn't mean that enemies are made for life or that one is weak if he walks away from a debate. It just means that the community is lively enough for the potential clients to make a decision regarding which independent writer appeals to them or shares their writing style. That debate does have a tendency to get out of hand at times, but everything works out in the end. Everyone simply agrees to disagree and moves on from that point. To be clear, I am not here to gain writing jobs. I am not here to gain clients. I am not here to steal clients. I am just here to engage in a lively discussion with the independent writers who are members of this forum and help to further enliven the discussion boards.
ProfessorVerb    35 | 839 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Aug 28, 2017 | #7
as each person tries to prove his point and come out on top.

As I've noted before.

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