Even genuine companies outsource ESL writers: my personal exprience

As a former insider in the convoluted 'industry' that is the essay market, I find it morally right to inform students about the levels of fraud perpetrated by the obvious scammers and the 'genuine' registered 'companies' .

Even though I live in south Africa and English is not my first language and, further, I didn't perform well at the university, I did apply for a position of researcher with two UK essay companies and was promptly recruited after sending them a bunch of scanned but altered certificates. I bid for several jobs and finally got a brief in history even though I studied chemistry. I worked on the order and others were to follow(about 10) .

What I discovered about these two companies was that even though they were located in the UK and were appropriately registered , they didn't -for cost cutting reasons- hesitate to 'outsource' writers from developing markets, who obviously had to bear a little slice off their cut. For instance, in one case, a UK based writer was commissioned to write a law essay @ 205 pounds but for some reason , he wasn't interested and I took the offer and was paid only 80 pounds!!!

My point is: it doesn't matter whether a company is based inside white house or along downing street- these capitalists will not hesitate to hire a ESL writer from Ukraine to reduce their operational costs. Same with other multinationals

Eventually my conscience couldn't allow me to continue working in this industry ; I pulled out and I am now working with a 'respectable' chemical firm in Jo' .

I therefore find it sheer hypocrisy for 'genuine' companies to stigmatize foreign 'companies' yet the former , too, outsource from developing markets, effectively making slaves out of these desperate writes - hey!!! I am not about to drop a sales pitch but my parting shot is: the essay companies are out to make a kill, not to help any student, and they wont wink at an opportunity to slash their costs- even if the client gets a hyped piece of trash after spending a fortune with either a 'genuine ' company or a Pakistan fraud .

To get a decent paper from the 'companies' is simply a matter of luck.

Quite frankly, that claim is ridiculous.

Do you think that your limited experience with two companies in the UK entitles you to make baseless accusations against all companies in the United States? Unless you have evidence to PROVE your accusations (which you surely do not), I suggest that you retract your statements and/or request that the moderator delete this thread.

Have you ever heard something called sampling???

I'd like to add that hiring ESL writers does NOT make a company fraudulent or "not genuine." What makes a company fraudulent is hiring ESL writers (because they almost always work for cheaper wages), and then stating on its Web sites that "all writers are native English-speakers from America, Canada, and the UK" (or similar). Visit the home page of Ukrainian SuperiorPapers.com or Ukrainian BestEssays.com to see a perfect example of this type of blatant misrepresentation for profit.

Why then would a UK registered company claim all writers are Native English speakers from within UK and knowingly proceed to hire a writer(myself) who: a) is not a Native Eng-spr and b) is outside of UK? . Or this is OK for 'genuine' UK companies?

it seems you are so desperate defending American companies- which, in effect, means you are just a tentacle off those companies trying a clever sales pitch under the guise of exposing fraudsters . Quite a jump but i wont be fobbed off by your cyclic replies that contain neither fact nor substance

LOL. You're a mess. I suggest that you brush up on your comprehension skills in the English language, as you have clearly missed the entire point of my responses. PLEASE tell me that you didn't/don't write for American clients.

LOL. i own a website : f****dupessays.com and we hire PHDS with 25 years experience and pay them $5 per page .
Please to contact us, email me at plagiarizedessays@ f****dupessays.com for a quote.
FYI, why would i be willing to write for lazy & fat American students


i am not aspiring to be a shakespeare or something- fyi, i am fluent in 6 languages(spanish, french german, kiswahili(ever heard of it), chinese and, English so i need not muster any of them to be at per with your 'excellent' command(LOL)

Do you hear that? Listen. Even the crickets think that you are a mr--n.

If you are fluent in 6 languages, I can tell you aren't American. Most Americans only know two languages: English and bad English. ;)

Corvus, jealously is ugly.

Tell me--what s-i*hole do YOU call home?

What am I jealous of?

And without knowing a single thing about me, are you calling my country of origin a s-hole?

If you don't want to be insulted, don't insult.

Hey former, you ignored my question on the other thread but maybe you'll answer here. What American companies hire non-EFL writers?

See, I tend to think that your logic is flawed. I'm an EFL writer and I command a lot of money per page to write anything. I make 3-5X what ESL writers are asking. If the company wanted to save money, I'm sure I'd be the first to be let go. But I'm still inexplicably working. Hm...

Hey WB, how many languages are you packing? I'm guessing at least three. The PhD in English pretty much requires it.

Me, I max out at 4, but then one is Old English, which technically isn't spoken anymore so folks may not want to count it. I guess I could feel inferior but I tend to figure that my additional degree in a hard science is the equivalent of at least one language. Oh, do computer languages count? Then I'm easily hitting 6. Not bad for an American.

So Corvus, how many languages do you speak?

why can't you trust even genuine writers

I'm a very disturbed professional writer who is ready to give all he has to all his essays of a wide range of experience and yet on identifies me as a drop dead spammer, amateur deceiver...please may all those in my aggrieved shows share my concern ...

Some of this sentence makes some sense, but if it's any indicator of your writing skills you really ought to consider changing professions. And yes, it is spamming to advertise your services so blatantly on a site that quite clearly prohibits such activity.

Yes. This is true. I know of several UK based companies that slowly replaced their ENL writers with ESL writers from the third world due to their need to show the business partners an investors a profit. The ENL writers were costing the company too much money and their demands for fair labor treatment were taking a toll on the company profits. The solution? Change the staff, show a profit. Criminal? Probably? Good business sense? Perhaps, Beneficial to the students? Definitely NOT !

Having a business address in the UK showing up in the Contact Us page does not prove that the company is based in the UK. Anybody can claim a UK business address. That does not actually matter. The fact that the writer was hired, even though he obviously admitted to being ESL, and even used fake documentation is all the evidence one needs to understand that the company was never UK based nor owned by citizens of the UK. He applied to and was hired by a 3rd world essay writing company pretending to be something else. If the OP actually quit his job, then I applaud him for having a conscience. He did the right thing and hopefully, found himself a job better suited to his actual skills.

As a company writer from 2003 to 2013,I wrote mostly for one of the largest legitimate US essay companies. Nevertheless, I took plenty of projects that were actually orders to re-do projects delivered by other writers at the same company that had obviously been written by ESL writers and that could never have been used by NES students.

Although Freelancewriter and I may have our differences and disagreements at times, the one thing that will never change is my admiration for the work he has done for previous students and other working professionals. Noting his reviews at this forum under his brand, students will be lulled into a sense of trust for the person and the work he provides. There are no negatives to be read about the work he provides, even if you try hard and hire a private investigator to find one. What am I driving at? you will not lose anything by trying his services. He is worth the risk. Students before you have attested to that.

Thank you.

@FreelanceWriter in all honesty, I have been monitoring the attacks on you in the chatroom and wondering why you had not defended yourself yet. I was particularly happy when I saw that you finally responded to the unprovoked attacks on you and your business. I just want to assure you that I have nothing to do with those postings and never will have anything to do with the likes of those people. If I have a problem with you, I will take it up with you in this forum, I will not hide behind anonymity. Like I said, we have our problems but it will not affect the appreciation that I have for your work and your integrity as a person. If you will permit me, I would like to join you in EssayChat as a defender. I know you do not need it and you can fight this battle alone. However, as as sign of friendship and unity, I would like to go there and have your back anytime I see someone attack you.

Thank you. I hadn't noticed those attacks until a few days ago, because I don't really spend much time there. I didn't have a chance to respond any earlier, because, unlike the anonymous person attacking me there, I actually had a lot of deadlines to meet before taking the time to respond in any kind of detail. The person is almost certainly someone who used to post here as "Editor75" because he's obviously not smart or creative enough to avoid using some of the exact same terminology (and specific insults) that (also) makes it quite obvious to me that he's the same person behind many apparent attempts to rejoin this forum as newly-created IDs that he's used only to attack you and this forum's administrators until his new IDs are eventually banned. Before he recreated himself here as "Editor75," he used to post here as "Fracture Gang" under which ID he'd proudly boasted about ripping off clients who "deserved" to be ripped off, writing some pamphlet that he self-published as a "book" about how to cheat and rob people in various different ways, and to reselling essays whose copyrights he didn't own.

Ed75 here. Here's what's up:

#1 I'm not lacking in smarts and creativity-- that's your department. You're stuck being a scumbag for dumb-asses, and it's been just about your whole life now, so who was smart enough to get out and make some real money for half the work? Me. You couldn't even pass a bar exam.

#2 I wasn't FractureGang. Swing and a miss, mlm.

#3 Cite is falling in love with you.

#4 Three's a crowd, so I'll just set the record straight and let you couple of losers keep stinking up this dead website.

Later, chief! Have fun in the Fortress of Solitude!

My bad. I'm sorry, but I don't monitor or think about you as much as you obviously obsess about me. Your original ID here under which you did everything I described in my previous post was RustyIronChains. Apologies to FG.

Oops. Looks like the jealousy runs deep in this one. Now why would he be trolling the board if he wasn't still interested in what was going on here? Obviously, the forum is not as dead as he thinks it to be. By the way, not everyone who attends law school decides to take the bar exam. Some graduates choose to change their career slant after graduation. That may have been the case here. Whatever the real reason, FLW is under no obligation to explain himself. Much less, is our right to judge his personal decision regarding what career would be most personally rewarding for him. His may be a complex situation that may be misjudged by most, myself included.

There's really no mystery or complex situation behind my having stumbled into doing this for a living, nor do I mind discussing it. I went to law school mainly because I figured a law degree might open up more career possibilities than undergraduate degrees in history and psychology, and I really had no idea what (else) I wanted to do after college. My LSAT score was nearly perfect on 3 out of (back then) 4 sections and my overall score put me in the 90th percentile; so it seemed like a no-brainer to go to law school even though I'd never had any specific interest in being a lawyer. In between my 3rd and 4th year of law school (the evening program is a year longer than the regular daytime program), I did an internship at a Lexington Avenue personal injury law firm and became familiar, for the first time, with exactly what lawyers actually do, what kinds of lives they live, and the kinds of hours they typically work, especially as new associates, and I knew that I had zero interest in that kind of career, because I just wanted to work a regular 40 hours per week (at most) and be at the gym by 5:00 PM at least 4 or 5 days every week.

I didn't need a law degree to work for the federal government as a writer; but I'm pretty sure that it was one of the reasons that they hired me for it instead of one of the other 400 candidates who had applied for the position. Writing has always been what comes most easily to me and it's the one thing that always got noticed about me at every level of school. Back in 1995, when I got my first DOS laptop, I asked my friend and computer guru how long he thought it might be before someone like me could earn a living from his couch on a laptop computer without having to leave his apartment, and he said "probably about 10 years," which turned out to be quite accurate. That whole idea first came to me from watching a 1985 movie about the 1980s gym scene: Perfect, starring John Travolta and Jamie Lee Curtis that came out during my first year of law school when my main social life also happened to be in one of the NYC gyms (Vertical Club on East 61st Street) that inspired the movie. Travolta played the role of a Rolling Stone reporter, and while I never had any interest in being any kind of reporter, the instant I saw him on his couch typing on a laptop, I knew that was the way I wanted to earn a living, not in a law office (or any kind of office) from 9 AM to 9 PM (or later), and often, another 5-10 hours at the office over the weekend.

Once I started writing for an essay company, it became immediately obvious that I was a much better writer than most of my competitors, from the way the company treated me and from some of the projects I did that were re-ordered and directed to me as requests from the company after other writers had done them the first time. Obviously, nobody gets rich doing this for a living; but those of us who are good at it can make a decent living that's about the same as we could earn as fulltime (on-site) writers, such as writing for a federal agency, which is what I'd still be doing if I couldn't do this, instead, without ever having to leave my apartment, or waking up to an alarm clock, or sacrificing my hobbies outside of work. Even working fulltime for the government, which is only 40 hours/week, wouldn't have allowed me to maintain my lifelong fitness routine or to play hockey, or even just to be on the board of directors of my co-op building. When I worked for the government, it was almost impossible just to workout 3 or 4 times a week and my weekends consisted of little more than catching up on all of the sleep I'd missed during the week, doing my laundry and food shopping, and preparing my clothes and food for the next week of work all over again. I have absolutely no idea how anybody lives like that for decades; and I suspect that might have a lot to do with why so many people seem miserable with their lives.

I was not expecting to receive, nor did I need an explanation when I made my comment. Your explanation did come as an appreciated surprise though. I got to know your background better. Anybody who is looking for an honest writer at the forum will also benefit from this explanation as it directly refutes all of the negative allegations made in the chat about you. Something the other writers here cannot claim. I saw that there are 2 new freelancers that joined us here. I doubt they will be successful in gaining clients though. Their language use alone should make anyone looking for a writer ignore them. Thanks for the explanation again.

I have no problem discussing how and why I started doing this for a living.


Thank you; but just to be clear, there have never been any "negative allegations" about my business practices, reliability, or honesty, or about the very high quality of my work from anybody, either here or on Essay Chat, going back to when I first signed up here in 2008. The comments to which you're referring are all just nasty personal insults from the same (ONE) person who has also been regularly creating new IDs on this forum for the last few years just to insult and troll you (and Cite, before you), and the forum's administrators. He had a very long history of stalking my posts on this forum to insult me personally before he was finally banned in 2016. His animosity towards me is strictly personal and originated after he badly embarrassed himself a long time ago (in 2010 or 2011) in a very silly argument in which he argued (seriously) that driving drunk is a "skill" that should be learned early, in connection with a lighthearted thread asking us writers about the stupidest essay topic that we ever had to write, to which I'd simply responded that it was an essay requesting an argument to support lowering the legal drinking age. Prior to that, he and I had coexisted on this forum for years without any conflict.

Nothing he's ever said about me amounts to any kind of substantive "allegation" about anything. His decade of personal attacks are nothing but insults about my age, his personal opinion that I'm not a very good writer, that I'm "boring," that my website sucks, that I'm a "pompous braggart," and that I probably never really graduated from law school. Ironically, given his comments (especially) about my supposedly being a "braggart," between the two of us, he's the only one who's ever made comments about how big his house is, that he was "Mercedes shopping," that he's a published author, that he really doesn't need to work in this industry because of how much money he makes elsewhere, and that he now makes "real money" for half as much work in some other job.

I believe that he has not been as successful in his new career as he claims. Otherwise, he would not have any reason to still be lurking here, waiting for a chance to pounce on anybody. I mean, anybody who is quite satisfied and extremely successful in his new job will have no reason to come back here to brag, or try to make trouble for any newcomers every so often. His mental state makes me sad. He is not capable of moving on and finding happiness for himself even with all of his supposed material wants being fulfilled. He still needs attention from the people here, but as enemies rather than friends. Sad, it is easy to make friends and keep the peace at this forum if one only strives to always do so.

I don't know and couldn't care less what his vocational (or psychological) situation is and I've spent zero time thinking about him since he was banned from here several years ago. Nevertheless, I couldn't help immediately recognizing his writing style and choice of vocabulary, both of which made it very obvious to me that the last dozen or so new S/Ns here that immediately began trolling you before being banned again and again for unprovoked attacks that were sent to the Trash or Off-Topic section were all his contributions. I don't come here to engage in personal feuds and if you check his old (main) S/N, you'll see that I never initiated any exchanges with him and that his many personal attacks were completely unprovoked by me in any way. I have no idea what would motivate someone who claims not to need to work in this industry at all to continue creating new accounts here over and over again just to initiate personal attacks long after his main ID was banned. I've been busy simply earning a living by providing very-high-quality essays to my clients, many of whom found me right here.