I received had a C+ paper (my personal grade of the quality) my first go around with academon. The main problem was the writer was ESL, it took hours of rewriting to clean it up, after I requested a rewrite. I liked the site (not a scam) but I am curious about how I can avoid getting this writer again or other ESL writers? I am preparing to spend $500 today on another 18 page paper (IT security corporate management report white paper) for a Friday submittal and I don't have the time to do a rewrite again.
Any help is appreciated? I am willing to use ****** if I can pick a good writer (non-ESL).
stu4 21 | 856 ☆☆ Observer
How you can tell you got ESL writer?
stu4,
Not trying to be mean or you might just be joking, but to answer your question they write like you. My wife and I had a few ESL friends in college in California, they always left out or misplaced the small support words (can, is, the, be, an) or forgot to pluralize words.
"How you can tell you got ESL writer? "
My grammar is nothing great by far (that is why I am here), but that sentence should have been something like... How can you tell you had a ESL writer?
stu4 21 | 856 ☆☆ Observer
I mean - when you paid for service, you assume you get a native speaker? Or you knew you get ESL writer?
Yes, I assumed that I would get a native speaker. It was a reputable site that has options for English vs British language and spelling style. It might just be my own ignorance of this industry to think that I could get a native English speaker every time. I don't have a problem with ESL writers if they can do the job, but from my experience (1 paper) and the many hours reading posts on this website they usually can't. My master assignments will always cost $500 and I want assurance that they can write English as well as a native speaker. This requirement would be no different if an Indian student wanted a paper from me, if I was a writer in his native language.
stu4 21 | 856 ☆☆ Observer
Why you choose them in the first place? Sorry it happen. Now you see listening to what peddlers and bullies here claim is expensive lesson.
pheelyks
dragon, you're more likely to get a better writer if you pay a higher rate.
stu4, your arguments don't make any sense.
stu4 21 | 856 ☆☆ Observer
Student never expected to get ESL writer. What happen?
pheelyks
I don't know what happened, stu4. Despite your assertions to the contrary, I'm not actually an employee at any company. I'm a writer. I do know that if the customer brought this to the attention of the admin it would be dealt with fairly.
stu4 21 | 856 ☆☆ Observer
"Peddler wrote: Why would I (or any other native writer employed by a US/UK company) work at two different places..."
You lie.
pheelyks
@pheelyks Is it possible to request a non ESL writer up front to an admin as suggested at any reputable website? How much more should I expect to pay, $28 a page is pretty expensive. I also didn't choose the price it was set automatically at the website by page and length of time for assignment. If I could pay a writer $28 a page directly, without a company taking a cut I would.
@stu4 I choose them after hours of research on this site, freelancewriter works for the company, he DID NOT write the paper. It was not a scam just not the level of quality I desire.
stu4 21 | 856 ☆☆ Observer
Avoid any writer without his own website. If you get scamed, the writer changes his email (before you get scamed, he probably has dozen emails already just in case) and you screwed.
If writer has personal website, its much harder to change it and you have much more protection (client dont look by email if someone else was scamed, but by website URL).
WritersBeware
Not trying to be mean or you might just be joking, but to answer your question they write like you [i.e., stu4].
LMAO! Very true.
stu4 21 | 856 ☆☆ Observer
True, but scammed client not laughing.
WritersBeware
You have NO PROOF, as usual. On the other hand, I have plenty of proof, including:
It was not a scam
Stewy, you worthless Ukrainian charlatan, don't be mad just because you can't compete fairly with superior companies and superior writers.
stu4 21 | 856 ☆☆ Observer
You have NO PROOF, as usual.
So now if company promise to only use native English speaker and then client gets illiterate ESL writer, it's no scam? Read the thread, then post BS.
WritersBeware
So now if company promise to only use native English speaker and then client gets illiterate ESL writer,
That is the case with ALL of your sites, except that you do it
INTENTIONALLY in order to increase profits. You charge high rates to customers (to whom you LIE about providing only native English-speaking writers) and pay peanuts to almost exclusively ESL, foreign writers.
stu4 21 | 856 ☆☆ Observer
Amuzing. So it was not intentional now? LOLz. Just like all scam was no company knowledge. LMAO. Your site scam busted - it was not intentional. Your competion busted - it was all intentional. You funny.
Sorry, Dragon. We don't necessarily take every request, especially when it's totally out of our preferred areas or when we're already booked solid with work. In that case, we can release it to the board for other writers immediately if we see it or it will go public for other writers automatically after 3 hours if we don't take it. If you are absolutely sure that you don't want any other writer besides your requested writer, you can say that in your order description and that you want a refund if that writer isn't available for it. You could also specify that no ESL writer is acceptable and that you will dispute the charge if you receive any ESL writing. The first is easy to enforce; the second might be more difficult because you'd have to convince your cc company that it's ESL writing. Both should deter any ESL writer from taking the order and the company would probably refund the order without a dispute and charge it against a writer who disregards your specifications, but I couldn't say for sure.
pheelyks
$28 a page is pretty expensive.

No, it really isn't. It's all relative, I suppose, but here's the deal: there are ESL writers who do this full time and can live like kings earning $17/page (this is assuming the writer gets 60% of what you pay, which is a fair rough estimate), and there are native writers who do this very part-time and usually rather fleetingly who might be OK earning this as their sole source of income for a short time or as a supplement to other sources of income, but as a long-term job this rate simply isn't going to cut it for anyone of intelligence and drive (i.e. the people you want writing your paper).
Given that native writers have to pay pretty high taxes on what they earn (I pay a little under 20% of everything I earn to the government, not counting sales tax), the real earning rate of the $17/page drops to about $14/page. Assuming your writer can research/write an average of three pages an hour, you're looking at $42/hour (not counting the time spent messaging customers and dealing with other miscellaneous tasks). Doesn't sound too bad, and it isn't terrible, but then there's all the things that a "real" job gives you that this one doesn't--health insurance, a retirement plan, some semblance of security, etc. Then there's the fact that the job is highly seasonal, so if you don't earn enough in the spring to get you through the summer you have to find a new job, and chances are the people that are good at this are tired of working as baristas (I know I was).
Anyone that is truly intelligent enough to do this work well coud go find an office job that would ultimately lead to better security and a higher salary, and a more stable income. So the good writers either charge more or move on. $17/page is a possible summer rate for a good, full-time writer, but it simply isn't going to get you top quality during the busy season.
Remember, expense is relative. $10 is an expensive Big Mac, but $20 is a cheap filet mignon. Maybe you can't afford the steak on your budget, and it's good to have that level of knowledge and control over your finances, but that doesn't make the steak over-priced.
stu4 21 | 856 ☆☆ Observer
I pay a little under 20% of everything I earn to the government, not counting sales tax
So you make like 20K a year? You vote for Mr. Obama too? 20% is for low earner and uneducated writers like you.
Assuming your writer can research/write an average of three pages an hour
Only you can do it coz you copy from Wiki and rewrite. Serious writer cannot do more then 2 pages.
health insurance
Drop weight and your rate drop too. Simple solution found on Wikipedia too.
Anyone that is truly intelligent enough to do this work well coud go find an office job that would ultimately lead to better security and a higher salary
Yes, but uneducated like you have no chance in real world.
$10 is an expensive Big Mac, but $20 is a cheap filet mignon.
You take 2 Big Mac in one session and you complain of health care rate?
but that doesn't make the steak over-priced
Huh? You over eat again today?
pheelyks
So you make like 20K a year?
No. Both your logic and your math skills suck if you derived this from my above comment.
Serious writer cannot do more then 2 pages.
How would you know?
Pheelyks thanks for taking the time to explain the details of your profession. Once I get my post count up I will send you or other writers if your are unavailable, a request for assistance on my next assignment with a rate commensurate to the quality and experience described in your post.
FreelanceWriter - Appreciate the advice. I think the first option will work best, as it will be pretty difficult to explain to a cc company that the product written was from an ESL writer and not the quality of service desired. There is just one problem though with the first option...I don't know any writers to use the request a writer option.
Does anyone have a list of writers that they used before (you can send me an email) so I can use the request a writer option on one of the non scam websites like academon or ******?
if you are absolutely sure that you don't want any other writer besides your requested writer, you can say that in your order description
this is a good idea.
tired of working as baristas (I know I was)
I was getting so tired of Pheelyks bragging about how much money he makes. this reminiscing about the poet's barista days is a refreshing change of pace. tell me, lunchbox, did you report the coffee house to the board of health, or were they nice to you? how many pastries did you have to steal, just to get by?
pheelyks
I was getting so tired of Pheelyks bragging about how much money he makes.
Right. Because I do that all the time (like, when prompted by your questions).
The way you pick fights when you're lonely is really sad.
So you make like 20K a year? You vote for Mr. Obama too? 20% is for low earner and uneducated writers like you.
If you work from overseas like I did for many years, then there is no need to pay U.S. taxes, and even in the U.S. there is a way to reduce all the taxes that the self-employed have to pay by taking deductions for a home office. Even so, it is a highly seasonal "career" and the summer months are generally dead. Nothing can be done about that.
It is a good enough job for people who like to work at home and spend time on the computer, as long as you keep looking around for higher rates of pay and avoid the orders that don't pay very well. You also have to avoid the companies that cheat you and the customers that try to screw around with you in order to get themselves a free paper--or those that simply submit bogus orders because they are really working for some rival company.
As for Mr. Obama, I will vote for him regardless since the Republicans have led the country into the worst disaster since the 1930s.
And no, I don't exactly regard it as a steady, stable, long-term career for a whole host of reasons. At some point, I suspect there's going to be a real crackdown on this "industry" by the state and federal governments because of complaints about cheating and academic fraud by the universities, no matter that the majority of customers seem to be ESL students with an extremely poor command of English.
pheelyks
If you work from overseas like I did for many years, then there is no need to pay U.S. taxes
This is a huge generalization. There are many ways you might still end up paying US taxes living overseas.
there is a way to reduce all the taxes that the self-employed have to pay by taking deductions for a home office.
This is very true, but (depending on your earnings) you can still face a significant tax burden. Writing off too much is a good way to get audited (and, you now, it's legally and ethically wrong).
WritersBeware
I suspect there's going to be a real crackdown on this "industry" by the state and federal governments because of complaints about cheating and academic fraud by the universities
Wrong. Universities already tried and failed. It's basically a double jeopardy situation, and the powers that be in academia know it. Plus, there's the small matter of the First Amendment.
stu4 21 | 856 ☆☆ Observer
Peddler and WildBoar - regarding taxes:
abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/senators-to-unveil-the-ex-patriot-act-to-respond-to-facebooks-saverins-tax-scheme/
If you need to get Ukrainian or Russian citizen paper, PM me. Once you get papers you give me right to call you scammers and fraudsters on the ceremony date. Lolz.
Very difficult to know , although there are some guys that 'apparently' can tell
I tried to request "only FreelanceWriter" the other day but didn't get them
I'm sorry, but we usually have constant deadlines...much more often than not, multiple deadlines every day.
We can't necessarily take every request and sometimes people request us for topics we don't really do because
they like our work on previous papers or because they heard of us on this forum. I appreciate the request though.
If you know the writer you want to reach, you can send them the writers name upfront and they will ask the writer if he/she can do the paper.
At that point it is all up to the writer you picked to take your essay or not.
It isn't only possible to request for an ENL writer upfront but you can also request to not have the work assigned to that mediocre writer that you had that negative experience with.
I know for a fact that even if the paper was accidentally assigned to the writer who botched the job for you, the company can have it reassigned to a different writer when you request for the reassignment. Since the company is out to give you "complete satisfaction", that includes making sure that the paper is assigned to a writer whom you will be comfortable collaborating with. After all, if you had a negative experience with the writer before, there is absolutely no way you would want to work with that writer again. Even though you may wish to hire the company services again. You just have to make sure that you know either the writer number of online writer identity of the previous writer. Indicate that you do not have any desire to work with that particular writer for this and your future papers and the company will take it from there.
You can most assuredly ask that your project NOT be assigned to a specific writer. Simply let the company know that you do not want to work with _____. A legit company will honor your request and put you with the best writer for your given project. If the company gives you a hard time with your request, choose another company. ;) However, that is unlikely. Happy clients are what keep writing companies in business.
As a repeat business client, the company will be sure to entertain any special requests that you have. Most specially if you have a grievance with a previous writer. Just make sure to mention the writer's ID number every time you place an order with the company so that the client assistant will be aware to not assign your paper to that writer. For companies that follow a first in line basis of writer assignment, if the writer ID comes up it is automatically assigned to that person, unless otherwise requested. However, it would be better if you simply request that the paper be assigned to an ENL writer every time. You see, if the writer you had a problem with leaves the company, that writer id number could be reassigned, in which case a writer would be unduly punished by not being assigned your order, even though he had nothing to do with the previous problems you had with the writer using that number. Why take the chance away from the new writer assigned to that number right? You might end up getting along with him just fine.
Essay-company TOS usually don't require them to provide specific writers, which means you probably can't do anything about it if a different writer completes the project. However, if you use the "project notes" or "project details" field of the order to make your choice of writer an express condition, you'll most probably be entitled to a full refund if the wrong writer takes it. You can add something like "If FreelanceWriter isn't available for this order, I want to cancel it and receive a refund. I don't want the project written by any other writer." In the days before the company added a 3-hour (later, 6-hour) reservation feature to their website for writer requests, that's exactly how I told my repeat customers to order their future projects to reduce the chance that some other writer would steal the order off the board before I saw it. If I didn't want one of their ordered projects with a request for me, I'd send the customer a message listing which other writers could be trusted to do good work on the project. The customer would then message the company to tell them which other writers would be acceptable, which would effectively modify the original express condition with a record of that in the messaging system. Sometimes, they'd place their order that way in the first place, such as by including the list of acceptable writers in the original order details instead of asking for only one specific writer.
I'd send the customer a message listing which other writers could be trusted
This is a great way to go about the business because it nurtures trust between the students and the writers of a platform. While I do seek to do this, I personally am unaware of some writers in other platforms I work for because of either how new I am or my lack of knowledge of who participates in the company. I do think it would be a good attitude to retain to ensure that students do not get thrown into a writer who will not suffice their needs.
My only familiarity with the identities of other company writers was the result having seen their IDs in requests for them in newly-posted assignments. A few of them were very good, but I was shocked the first time I actually had the opportunity to read something written by some of the other writers who got a lot of requests when their essays were included as resources for subsequent assignments, because they were of such low-quality work. If that's the kind of work that earned future requests, I can't even imagine how bad the work was from some of the other writers whose IDs I never encountered because nobody ever requested them.
Essay writing companies have a pretty large writers pool at their disposal. However, the client doesn't always have the liberty to pick the type of writer that will get assigned to the order. The reason is because the order goes into a common server, where all the available orders come online for writers to bid on. If a bidding system is not in place, then the writers, depending upon their ratings, will have direct access to choose the order straight from the listing. The best thing to do will be indicate your writer preference, based on ratings and English skill level, from the moment you place the order. Most companies will include these specifications once the order is uploaded. This will then limit the number of writers who will receive the notification regarding your order. With such specifics in place, there is a higher possibility that your previous writer will not get the notice and thus, save you from having to deal with the writer again.