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Hey Guys!

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Best Regards,
Reuel

WriteAtHand.com = ESL garbage

After reading the pages of WriteAtHand.com, that is my opinion.

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The people at writeathand.com also have no respect for the rules of other sites, shamelessly posting SPAM for personal gain.

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The hosting of writeathand.com has changed FIVE (5) times since May 14, 2013:

2013-05-14 New - Registrar-servers.com
2013-05-18 Transfer from Registrar-servers.com to Freehosting.com
2013-05-29 Transfer from Freehosting.com to Namecheaphosting.com
2013-05-30 Transfer from Namecheaphosting.com to Hostmetro.com
2013-06-18 Transfer from Hostmetro.com to Justhost.com

This site has "fly-by-night, ESL, amateur operation" written all over it.

How much for a WriteAtHand job?

Good comment. WriteAtHand people should have considered that this forum is not just all about them. Indeed, they must be an amateur group. Anyway, just as with other writing services, I hope they will learn their lessons for the better good. Also, you are right to say that it is an ESL-based writing service. It is located in the Philippines see: writeathand.com/contacts.php


However, I simply cannot take this lightly. I am an ESL speaker and writer. I do not care if you would not believe it, but I have been doing freelance writing jobs since 2010.

Please do not tell people around that ESL is a garbage. Who are you to claim that ENL speakers are the only "highly-qualified and esteemed" when it comes to speaking and writing English? It does not matter if a writer or a writing service has English as a Second Language as long as the customer's preferences are truly met. As I have noticed in other threads, you are kind of "recklessly" speaking negatively against others. Please do not make personal insults when good discussions are done in this forum. I certainly believe that you are a professional person. So please be so. Again, ESL is not a garbage. Do not be a racist? If we would turn into racism in this forum, how would you answer if I ask you how good your country is doing nowadays compared to those centuries when United States of America is considered to be the most economically advanced throughout the world? You may be good in ENL, but how about in other things?

Don't you see, making personal insults and scrutiny only lead to unprofessional, nonsense, and dissatisfying conversations.

By the way, may I just ask some questions?

First, I do not think that showing how WriteAtHand changed it's hosting account a number of times makes sense. What if the reason the owner transferred to other hosting service providers due to personal preferences? Do you not have all the rights to do what you want and reject what you do not and make any necessary changes? Also, what makes changing of hosting account prove that this writing service provider is not a good one? Have you never changed your profession or at least your dream job throughout your whole life? If you are a writer, did you attain success as a writer without any single change along the way? Have you been a writer ever since birth? I hope this are logical questions you need to think about before making such comment?

Second, if we would judge WriteAtHand for its being an "ESL-based writing service", why do ENL companies hire us [ESL writers]? Isn't freelance writing an outsourcing job? I believe it does not matter if a writing service is an ENL or ESL-based company as long as it assigns the customers' orders to appropriate writers worldwide. If I am to be an ESL-based writing service provider, I do not care about it. If the customer asks for an ENL writer, I can assign the project to an ENL writer. What then, is the problem in that? That's the idea of freelancing/outsourcing anyway, right?

If WriteAtHand would give customers' orders only to ESL writers, then they are greatly mistaken. That is an unwise thing to do. However, if they work on the projects according to the customers' preferences - such as in the case of ENL writers - then that is a good thing. By the way, I can see that they offer such option for customers when making an order. writeathand.com/order-now.php. You can choose whether you want an ENL writer or an ESL writer.

I don't think we have to judge any writing services just as one judges "the book by its cover". Besides, WriteAtHand offers a good option for customers to request for partial payment when orders are above $100. Isn't that a good way of preventing scams in large orders?

But, just as in other writing services, if you were scammed (if you got a plagiarized paper, if you did not receive any completed orders, etc.) by WriteAtHand - DON'T MAKE ANY FURTHER ORDERS. If you hear others' experiences of scam, DON'T MAKE AN ORDER. That is also a rule for any other writing services in the internet.

To end, I just want to go back to my questions:
1. Is change an absolute determinant of excellence and success?
2. What absolute proof or justifiable reasons can claim that ESL is a garbage, and that ESL Writers or ESL-based writing services are not highly qualified and able to produce quality custom papers?

3. Does it matter if a freelance/outsourcing writing services is ENL-based or ESL-based, when orders are outsourced and assigned to appropriate writers worldwide anyway? If so, why do ENL-based writing services hire ESL writers?

4. Is it right to judge something in its surface level (just as judging a book by its cover) without any proof in a deep level (just as reading the pages of book)?

Your writing in the English language is terrible. That's a fact.


I did no such thing. Thanks for proving your inability to understand even the most basic nuances of the English language.

(FYI, "a garbage" is wrong. You can type "a piece of garbage," but not "a garbage." That's only one of seemingly countless errors in your previous post.)

Everything else that you have typed is absolute tripe that I (and others) have already addressed in this forum-multiple times-over the years.


The next person to equate language to race should get punched in the face. (Yes, it rhymes. I gots mad skills, yo!)

Here's the problem. Some people assume that if the customer is ESL, then an ESL writer is appropriate, since the writing level need not be, and probably should not be, native-like. The problem is, many ESL students not only cannot write the papers being asked of them, but also have no clue what is being asked of them in the first place. They don't understand the requirements, they don't understand the sources they need to read, they don't understand any of the conventions of Western academia. And from what I've seen, most of the ESL writers involved in this business are no better! These students are looking for a model paper that can get them on the right track, not a shot in the dark from someone sitting in another country who's just as clueless as they are.

Some students prefer ESL writers since ENL writers use too deep and complicated words. For some, they cannot understand their papers due to ENL form of writing. If I am the student, what's the point of having an ENL-oriented paper if I could not understand it? What if I am asked by my instructor to explain what I meant by those words in my paper? ENL has some "downgrades"; ESL has some "downgrades". Nevertheless, what we are talking about here is providing services to customers. As a service provider, you just give them whatever they want - as long as you have it with you. If the customer wants a Chinese writer, then let him have it. You won't reason out that a Chinese writer is no good for him. That's not how it works in providing services to customers - regardless of what service you provide them.

I see Writers2Beware. You cannot even answer my questions. I make rational considerations. You make insults. All you do around is simply insult other's imperfections. It's manifested in many threads in this forum. Okay. You're perfect, I suppose. I admit your English is better than mine. But who cares? You are not even adequate enough to get involved in serious, professional discussions. Look at other threads. You insult other members even with unprofessional words such as the "F". I believe if you will be invited in a discussion with businessmen, board members, or other professionals, to talk about complicated stuff, they will not be able to get most of you. You will just divert what is being discussed.

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT MY ENGLISH HERE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PROVIDING WRITING SERVICES. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BUSINESS OPERATIONS. THIS IS ABOUT BUSINESS SYSTEMS. So get your mind right and just talk about the issue. If your mind cannot take what I recently addressed to you, then don't make senseless issues. Your response is absolutely "out of track". Is that what you call professionalism? Where then, is the good thing in you?

As I have mentioned, it does not matter if you are a Native Englishman or not, or if the company is in USA or UK or elsewhere. WHAT I AM SAYING IS THIS: WHAT MATTERS IS THAT THE PREFERENCES OF THE CLIENTS ARE MET - REGARDLESS OF HOW THOSE PREFERENCES WERE FULFILLED AND WHO FULFILLED IT. USA and other European countries are known for good Engineering. But why do they outsource their Computer-Aided Design projects to us? Does it really matter is non-USA or non-European CAD drafters work on it? Absolutely not! As long as the requirements are met, as requested by the USA or European clients.

Let me put it this way. Suppose I have connections with American students and they know that I am a freelance writer. IF I ASSIGN SOME OF THEIR ORDERS TO YOU, DOES IT REALLY MATTER IF I - THE SERVICE PROVIDER - IS AN ESL-BASED WRITING SERVICE PROVIDER? IF THEY COME TO ME AS CUSTOMERS, AM I - AN ESL-BASED SERVICE PROVIDER - NOT ABLE TO "OUTSOURCE" THEIR ORDERS TO ENL WRITERS (IF THAT IS WHAT THEY PREFER) INCLUDING YOU?

COULD YOU ANSWER SUCH SIMPLE QUESTIONS? DON'T YOU GET IT? THIS IS ABOUT BUSINESS OPERATIONS - NOT ENGLISH SKILLS. If I am located in Asia and you are located in the United States, I can simply search the Internet for freelance workers located in the USA to do what you wish - even washing your dishes.

That is freelancing. That is outsourcing. If any ESL-based service provider assigns you - a "perfect", prominent, world-class ENL writer - to work on an academic paper of a student located in the USA, IS THERE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT?

Again, you cannot judge any individual the way you do. Besides, have you proven that WriteAtHand or any ESL-based companies cannot provide quality papers - which they could have outsourced to ENL writers (if preferred by the customers)?

I hope you make "RATIONAL" responses to what I am talking about - business services operations. Not your English. Not even mine. Not everybody else's.

If you cannot do so - what a pity.

Translation = "correct form of writing"


I will utterly dismantle you in amy form of substantive debate. The problem is that you are too stupid and self-unaware to understand when you've been beaten. I've played that game far too many times with ESL morons who've come before you.


In a nutshell, that's the fraudulent, self-serving mindset of the average, incompetent, unqualified, dishonest, ESL writer. "Hey, my writing sucks, but who cares, as long as I get the money out of the ENL customer before he/she receives the garbage that I wrote and immediately realizes that he/she has been swindled by a completely incompetent scumbag."


EXACTLY.

But they you got bit*h kicked here: absolutewrite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8233728&postcount=5. People there still laugh via PM lolz.

I'll give you a rational answer:


I'm assuming you mean that there are potential downsides (not "downgrades") to both ESL and ENL writing. It makes perfect sense for ESL students to use ESL writers, just as it makes perfect sense for ENL students to prefer ENL writers. There are 2 important differences though: (1) No ENL writer ever misrepresents to prospective clients that he's ESL when he's really ENL, and (2) In many cases, a good ENL writer can always write more simply by the request of an ESL client.


Right. Now, just apply that concept of "providing services" to ENL customers who don't want to be duped into using an ESL writer by misrepresentation. To use your example, a Chinese student purchasing writing in Chinese probably prefers a native Chinese speaker to a foreign speaker of his language because there are obvious differences to any native Chinese speaking audience, and notwithstanding that some foreign Chinese speakers may manage to reach the same level of Chinese language proficiency as native speakers. The point is that the whole "providing services" concept begins with truth in advertising. One of the pre-sale "services" that all customers have the same right to expect is truthful representation.

Americans who write great Chinese shouldn't create a Chinese-sounding pseudonym and an email address that is designed to look more like the service provider is Chinese. Nobody objects to ESL writers offering their services to ENL clients as long as they're honest about it, and nobody's denying that some ESLs can write in perfect English. The problem is simply that many ESL writers purposely misrepresent themselves as ENL, precisely because they know that most ENL customers specifically want only ENL writers. All you have to do is look through old forum threads here to find hundreds of examples of ESL writers who say that the "services" they provide do not include honest disclosure to customers because they say that it "shouldn't matter." Meanwhile, every one of their posts illustrates the types of idiomatic (and other) obvious mistakes in their writing that just scream "ESL" to any ENL audience. No ENL students are looking for that in anything they pay hard-earned money for in this industry. They usually want something that's written better than they can write or at least no worse.

If all ESL writers "provided services" that include truth in advertising, nobody would have a problem with them. Just represent your ESL or ENL status truthfully and let the customers decide whether or not it "matters" to them that their writers are ENL or ESL.

How 'bout that?

What am I reading from a self-assuming perfect writer, who seem to spend his lifetime just making insults against others? "AMY"? HAHAHAHA. Is that a name of your wife/sister/mother/grandmother? Oh, maybe it's ARMY? "... dismantle you in ARMY form of substantive debate." That's pretty cool, huh! YOU JUST MAKE ME LAUGH AT YOU.

Hey, by the way, I am sorry about calling you as a "

a "perfect", prominent, world-class ENL writer

". I think I need to make penitence. I need to cry out. Now I perceive that he is not even qualified for English spelling. I mean BASIC ENGLISH SPELLING. Or maybe you are BLIND because you cannot even see the RED LINES that appear when you write words not contained in the English Dictionary. PITY YOURSELF. You want to make personal debates? Fine.

Where is your rational response? That is what I was looking for in the first place. Oh, I see. You can't even make one. Your mind cannot even process such conversation. Can I have your home address? I think I have to send medicines for you. SORRY FOR PUTTING MUCH PRESSURE ON YOUR BRAIN. You must have been mistaken in joining this thread. Sorry if I had your nose bleeding since you cannot take any intellectual and rational considerations. All you can say are words like "Nonsense", "Your English is terrible", "Mind your own business", "Translation=", "WriteAtHand.com = ESL garbage", and so on. YOUR WRITING HAS NO SUBSTANCE. That is even written all over your face.

You have grammar, but not intellect. You have writing abilities, but not thinking skills. I suggest you go back to your primary schooling and learn what are the things involved in good communication: cognition, perception, understanding, rationalization, and more. I almost forgot, by the way, contextualization. It is due to the fact that you cannot even communicate within the "context" of this discussion.

IS THAT WHAT MAKES YOU A GOOD WRITER? WHO CARES IF YOU ARE AN ENL WRITER WHEN YOU CANNOT EVEN MAKE THE MOST BASIC FORM OF ARGUMENTS AND RATIONALITY? (There is a great number of ENL writers out there that I salute. Sadly, you just don't belong to them.)


Incompetent? I don't think so. Think of a war, where one soldier fights with a machine gun while his enemy brings with him a chess board. Absurd, isn't it? Pity on the latter. The reality is, that's you and me. I compete with my mind. You compete with you tongue - simply because you have no brain. Or maybe you have one. It just cannot compete with mine.


DON'T BE SAD CRYBABY. YOU ARE STILL PROMINENT HERE AS HAVING A GREAT NUMBER OF POSTS. 780 POSTS. CAN YOU BELIEVE IT? HOW I WISH THERE IS JUST ONE OF THEM THAT CONTAINS EVEN THE SLIGHTEST FORM OF KNOWLEDGE AND ENLIGHTENMENT A LIGHT-MINDED PERSON LIKE YOU COULD AFFORD TO MAKE.

Bye bye my boy. I don't think I have to waste even a second in talking with you. Wait. I think I have the wisest counsel I can give to you. I JUST HOPE ZOMBIES ARE FOR REAL. AND IF THEY ARE, JUST GIVE YOUR BRAIN TO THEM. IT MUST HAVE BEEN OF USED FOR SOMEONE IN THE PLANET. AND MIND ME, I MAY EVEN COMMEND YOU FOR THAT AND TELL THE WORLD HOW GREAT WRITERS2BEWARE WAS BY JUST GIVING HIS EMPTY BRAIN TO HUNGRY ONES. HE LOVES SHARING FOR OTHERS.


FINALLY, a person I can talk to. What a great relief from a senseless conversation with Writers2Beware!

Thanks for your reply FreelanceWriter.


I agree with you in this. If you know any ESL writers who represent themselves as ENL writers, woe to them! It's just as plain as that. Presenting yourself that way is absolutely a big form of lie. That is not a qualifying conduct for any writer. Again, I agree with you in this.

Now let me ask this. When an ESL writer registers to an ENL-based writing company, are they [the writing company] unaware that this writer is an ESL individual? Certainly they are! If you are the writing service provider, you know the background of that writer - particularly where he lives. But if the ESL writer registers to a writing company and told the company that he lives in USA or UK [thus making the company consider him as an ENL writer], instead of indicating his real location (let's say, Philippines), then that ESL writer is wrong. YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO CONDEMN THAT ESL WRITER.

However, if what you want to say is that ESL writers are not qualified for the writing industry, THEN WHY DO WRITING COMPANIES STILL HIRE THEM IN SPITE OF KNOWING THAT THEY ARE ESL WRITERS (THROUGH THEIR LOCATIONS)? Don't you see, if we will accept this (that ESL writers are not supposed to be in this industry with the fact that every customer deserves only ENL writers) as an absolute rule or principle, then tell the writing companies to stop hiring ESL writers. Are these ESL writers the ones responsible? Not in all points. Again, if we are to set an absolute rule or principle that ESL writers are not qualified for the writing industry, THEN WHY DO WRITING COMPANIES STILL HIRE THEM IN SPITE OF KNOWING THAT THEY ARE ESL WRITERS (GIVEN THAT THEY INDICATE THEIR TRUE LOCATIONS WHEN THEY REGISTER)?


If you are an ESL writer, you simply won't be able to think of that. Why? Simply because you were accepted by the ENL writing company. The fact that an employee - whatever profession he/she belongs to - gets accepted by the company means that they [the company] bids approval to that employee. For why would you accept a person to work for you if he does not have the necessary qualifications in doing your desire output? If the company rejects the ESL writer for being an ESL writer, will he/she still consider himself worthy to write for the customers of that company? I don't think so. In the same way, the fact that an ESL writer is accepted by the ENL company shows that he has been approved to write for the company's workers. The ESL writer just won't have any thought of telling his customers that he is an ESL or ENL writer. As a worker of a company, your concern is about the order/preferences of the client - not talking about who and what you are.

Again, if we are to set an absolute rule or principle that ESL writers are not qualified for the writing industry, THEN WHY DO WRITING COMPANIES STILL HIRE THEM IN SPITE OF KNOWING THAT THEY ARE ESL WRITERS (GIVEN THAT THEY INDICATE THEIR TRUE LOCATIONS WHEN THEY REGISTER)?


You're right. In fact, you even seem to make my position understood better.

Here are my previous posts (just ignore some negative statements addressed to Writers2Beware):



If a person asks you to write for his customer - who prefers an ENL writer - would you accept it since you are an ENL writer? Of course you would (unless the price is $1 per page :D) since you can provide what the customer wants - ENL written paper. If you completed that paper, does it matter where the person [who connects with the customer] is located? Absolutely, not. What matters is that the customer's preference (ENL writer) is fulfilled with you (an ENL writer). I hope you get my point.

As you have explained, it makes sense if an ESL student want an ESL writer to do his paper. Likewise, an ENL writer is good for an ENL student. If you are the service provider, will you assign the ENL writer to work on the ESL student's paper even if he [the ESL student] asks for an ESL writer? In the same way, will you assign the ESL writer to work on the ENL student's paper even if he [the ENL student] asks for an ENL writer?I don't think so. If a Chinese student is not a native Chinese, he is likely to ask for a non-native Chinese to work for him. Will you withhold his request? Certainly not.

What I am talking about is business operation. If the Chinese student want a native-Chinese worker, give it to him. If non-native, give it to him. If a student asks for an ENL writer, give it to him. If he asks for an ESL writer, give it to him. AS A SERVICE PROVIDER, YOU JUST GIVE THEM WHAT THEY REQUEST FROM YOU.

So here's my point, we simply cannot claim that ESL writers are not qualified to be in this industry. Why? Because others may still prefer them - particularly ESL students (as you even acknowledge).

Also, we cannot simply judge an ESL-cased service provider for being ESL-based. Why? As I have illustrated earlier, it doesn't matter as long as the preference is fulfilled. "If a person asks you to write for his customer - who prefers an ENL writer - would you accept it since you are an ENL writer? Of course you would (unless the price is $1 per page :D) since you can provide what the customer wants - ENL written paper. If you complete that paper, does it matter where the person [who connects with the customer] is located? Absolutely, not. What matters is that the customer's preference (ENL writer) is fulfilled with you (an ENL writer)".

That is what I point out as freelance writing. That is outsourcing. And every service provider online does it - outsourcing jobs to people around the world. Does is matter where that service provider is located, if its customer - who prefers an ENL writer - is provided with an ENL writer - through outsourcing, or if its customer - who prefers an ESL writer - is provided with an ESL writer through outsourcing? If that company is able to do so, is it disqualified to continue doing its services simply because of its location?....

You and those like you do so all the time because you're LIARS and FRAUDS.


After everything that freelancewriter typed, you still don't get it because-surprise, surprise-you're ESL (or just stupid). FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME: nobody's claiming that ESL writers do not have a place in the industry. HOWEVER, their place is absolutely not to misrepresent their skills/talents/location/cultural familiarity/qualifications to American consumers.

There are two different issues: (1) writing company hiring policies and (2) freelance writers' practices.

Since I've only worked as a writer, I have no idea how any writing companies handle things when they get applications from foreign writers. My comments have more to do with how honestly (all) service providers represent their services. We've seen countless foreign-based ESL freelance writers who deliberately create Western-sounding pseudonyms, and email addresses with some form of "UK" in them, and who also deliberately use UK spelling and idioms to trick customers into believing they're dealing with an ENL writer. I see requests all the time for "UK-educated writers only" and I've never tried to create a "UK" email or responded to any of those requests with an email full of UK spelling. I've responded to those requests explaining that I'm confident with the topic and that I can write in UK English, but I don't misrepresent (expressly or impliedly) that I'm a US and not a UK writer. But for this phenomenon, I don't think there'd ever have even been any argument on this forum about ESLs vs. ENLs in the first place.


I've mentioned this before, but the 3 biggest influences on my writing were my father and uncle (German Jews), and a high school English teacher (Chinese), every one of them a bona-fide grammarian who learned English as a second language. So, I'm the last person to suggest that ESLs "can't" ever become great writers in English.

Nobody here has been arguing that ESLs can't be good writers; they should just be honest about it when they're asked and also by not using tricks like Western pseudonyms and "UK" emails to create the false impression that they're ENLs and not ESLs when they're not asked. To be perfectly honest, I wasn't acknowledging that ESL customers may prefer ESL writers as much as I was just granting it for the sake of argument, because it's certainly possible. However, in my experience, that just hasn't been the case, because even ESL customers seem to want the best and most fluent ENL writers their money can buy. Sometimes, they do ask me to use simple language and easy vocabulary, and any good ENL writer can do that for them. Other times, they specifically want it written to the best of my abilities and I've done dozens of essays for one particular ESL customer who always asks, very specifically, for "grammatically complex" sentences and "a lot of big words."

If you were just recently published at the time of this posting, then you are not in the academic writing business. You are some sort of blog. Now, if you had said that your company had just been established, then that would have meant that you are an academic writing company looking for clients. Published tends to refer to you looking for readers, not clients. My guess is, you did not get much clients after a post like that. You were not seeking clients, just readers anyway. Words matter. Vocabulary matters. I just wanted to point that out in case you missed that during your own English classes, whatever sort of English classes you may have attended.

It looks like the confusion the company had at the start has become very long term for them. They are trying to relaunch a website that does not really have a purpose. What is the company really about? Is it selling writing services? Pre-written content? Does it offer writing guidance? What? I just cannot see how this company can launch when it is suffereing a severed identity crisis. They should throw in the towel and surrender to the fact that they have no idea how to establish a company, much less successfully run one.

I try.