cheating and essay writing services

Can someone explain, is using any of these essay companies for class work academic cheating, or not? There's so many companies. Pu-leaze, dumb it up for me; somebody you paid is doing your assignment for you to get the grade - how can it NOT be cheating? Do colleges allow it officially?

You could have found A LOT OF info regarding this issue on this very forum. But the fact is you don't bother to spend time in some simple research.

Ok, where? I did a search on 'cheating' and it turns up only 5 hits, none of which answer the q.

Check this
Using paper as guide

Sounds like a painfully long peeing contest between a questioner and a couple of sharky unscrupulous writers defending their lair; one of them couldn't even spell Felix. Don't see an answer to my question of whether colleges consider it legit, so I'm thinking it probably aint.

good of you to reply with the link, thanx.

Good thing I wasn't trying to spell "Felix." I was trying to spell "pheelyks," and I'm pretty sure I succeeded...

Quondamphone, you're an idiot. Oh, and you can stick your smartass comments up your as*.

I think if you had seriously read through the posts, you would've found the answer to your question because the argument (though heated) does provide very useful information regarding the writing services provided by us.

You have called a spade a spade and ruffled up a few feathers

Digitized_manure, STFU.

some people like to pretend that they're doing something good and useful by operating in this industry... when you start out with that kind of deluded thinking, it's a slippery slope, at the bottom of which you'll find most of the regulars of this forum.

"lair" is right.

WB
Truth hurts, dumb a**

...whereas others have ideas about getting more money out of the industry, then rail against people that critique their ideas, then decide that the entire industry is no good.

No, but your broken English is excruciating.

I think that the scummy nature of the industry is actually something that contributes to writers being systematically mistreated and underpaid. I have never changed my position on the nature of the industry in general. nor do I rail against those who critique my ideas, as long as they have something to bring to the table, other than lies and insults.

Things like, "I make more money than I would as a staff writer in any other industry," and, "I'm happy with what I earn so long as I am treated fairly"?

not to beat a dead horse, but I have the feeling that your self-satisfaction is both atypical and somewhat deluded. your use of absolutes also suggests that you haven't really tried your writing out successfully in any other, less scummy industries. you also apparently haven't considered that most of these alternative industries have vastly superior opportunities for advancement.

I always knew you were incapable of putting up a useful argument and you proved it once again.

I have, and am well aware that selling a single screenplay, producing a popular paperback novel, and a number of other creative pursuits could potentially have a much higher payoff. I make more than average journalists, copywriters, technical writers, and webcopy writers according to published statistics, and I make vastly more from my writing than do most people trying to sell screenplays/novels/etc. This job is also nice in that it does not preclude other endeavors, meaning I can write my novels and screenplays while actually earning a decent living.


Sure I have. As I acknowledged when you first showed up, there are some definite downsides to being a freelancer, including the fact that I need to obtain my won health insurance and plan for my own future. Fortunately, I have a good enough head on my shoulders to have taken care of both of these fronts, and am very much upwardly mobile.

Wow, you sure showed me!

Idiot.

screenwriting? I said less scummy.

in any case, quond, yes, your instincts are right. it's cheating.

and any writer who tells you otherwise is a hypocrite

Again, I replied to your criticisms with rational, well-founded and full explanations, and this is all you can say in return? Stop pretending you were ever here to have a rational discussion.

pheelyks, yet again bragging about how much money he makes, and then patting himself on the back for being logical... and yet, at the same time, he seems to dream of fame and fortune with something on which his name appears. weren't you giving some newbie a hard time about this recently, pheelyks? so what do you tell the neighbors when they ask what you do for a living?

You brought the issue up, yet my responding to it is bragging?


You're reading far too much into things and jumping to conclusions again.


No, I wasn't. Thanks for asking.


I explain exactly what I do. What do you do for a living, Buford?

my thoughts on cheating in exams

As someone said before, cheating don't deserve success.
but how to stop and supervise this thing?
Some electric devices can be used in the exam.
If students tend to cheat in the exam with the help of their phone, handheld metal detectors does help a lot.

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I dont think a handheld metal detector would be the answer. Takes too much time to check everyone and they aren't that reliable.

Sometimes, companies use the service for both reasons. Either for academic or pure scam so we better get our eyes open to these possibilities.

@quondamphone Getting the topic back on track, no, the colleges and universities do not allow the services that are being rendered by the essay companies. Do they know about the services? Yes, they do. Do they turn a blind eye to it? Yes they do. Why do they ignore it? It's better to have the student turn in a paper that he had help writing rather than flunking the student and seeing him again next semester. Is it cheating? That is a gray area. Freelance writers offer model academic papers. The students are not supposed to pass off that paper as their own. It is only a sample of the actual work that they can use as a reference guide in writing their own paper. If they turn it in as their own paper, that is a risk they decided to take.

The academic outsourcing companies though, those are the companies that actually cheat for the student. The cheat happens in the sense that they encourage students to hire their services so that their work can be completed for them. That is why they claim to offer 100 % original, plagiarism free papers. These companies encourage the students to use their services to cheat.

The freelance writers do not offer the same services. They assist in the modelling of the paper. That means the paper is either complete or almost complete and the student can make improvements upon the content in order to complete the creation of a new paper. It is a model, something the student can use to complete his required work. That is why freelance writers do not offer blanket revisions in the same manner that the academic outsourcing companies do. There is a big difference between the two and the services offered should never be confused.

It means that freelance writers offer model papers (= no cheating) and writing services encourage students to cheat? A freelance writer doesn't encourage to cheat? I think there is no difference between the two.

Believe it or not, I have no argument there. The reputable companies and freelance writers in this industry, though, do disclaim that their work product is intended as a model for a final version, but let's face it, that's like buying Blue Apron and expecting someone else to do the cooking,. Frankly, we don't care. Use it as is, modify it, wrap it in ribbons and give it for a present. Just pay us ...

What can we do or say that will change these outcomes, or why should we care? In truth, ghostwriting goes back millennia and some of us are honorable professionals irrespective of your arguments to the contrary. Dozens of my clients have published articles in peer-reviewed journals, and a former boss of mine even published the official global cheetah husbandry manual years ago under his name with only a passing acknowledgment to me despite my writing the entire thing. Who cares? Credit is one thing, money is an entirely a different matter ...

@ProfessorVerb I agree with your as well. It doesn't take much for the student to take the paper that we developed for them and use it for their own purposes. As freelancers, we don't ask them how they intend to use the paper anyway, all we ask is that they pay us for the work. So whether they use the actual paper as their own or they just use it as a model is moot and academic. In the case of academic writing companies though, they don't even pretend to have ethics and values when it comes to their work, which is something I, as a freelancer, pride myself in.

I believe that the academic companies encourage the students to cheat because they allow students to place orders for writers to take their exams for them. I have had a few offers to do that in the past and each time, I decline to do it because it is against my ethics and principles. Which is why I think that @Harvard Study has a mistaken notion regarding the way the freelancers and the academic writing companies function. An academic company will do anything to make money. A freelance writer considers his personal values regarding certain job requirements. Or at least, I consider those aspects after I have read the job requirements.

Our bottom line is always to see dollars and cents in our bank accounts once we complete an order. We don't ask questions about how the paper we developed is going to be used. We know the students will most likely submit our paper as their own while a professional will probably use it as model paper first, then use the content we developed second. Again, this is just how I see things and I am not implying that this is how the business works for everyone.

Academic writing has always been a gray area. Where does the assistance begin? What is considered cheating? Should professors know about this? Are we running a legal business or is this an underground economy? The questions and justifications are endless. All I know is this. All students deserve to get academic help when they need it. All students are entitled to pay for that help if they can afford to do so. All students have the freedom to use the papers we create for them in any way they feel necessary. All students benefit from the existence of academic writers. Is it cheating? That is a blurred line. It depends who you talk to, what their point of view is, and how they justify or do not justify the work done. Personally, I do not consider this cheating. I offer and am paid to complete an academic service for students. They agree to it, they do not consider it cheating, so who am I to say otherwise?

My clients own exclusive copyright to any project that they purchase from me, so it's absolutely none of my business how they use those projects or what they choose to do with them, nor would I ever have any way of knowing what they do with my work. However, the codes of academic honesty in effect at every academic institution in existence clearly and expressly prohibit turning in projects completed by anyone other than the student receiving credit for those projects.


If you were to ask any professors, the line isn't the least bit "blurred." There isn't a college professor on the planet who allows students to submit essays written by someone else. By suggesting otherwise, you could be exposing naive clients to very difficult circumstances if they were to read and believe what you're saying about this.

Colleges and universities across the world have a bigger problem to deal with now other than the cheating students do via essay writing services. These days, they can overlook the paid essay services because they are barely used by the students. Their problem now is with regard to how to get students to stop using AI when it comes to writing their papers. Using AI is worse than using than academic writer because the writer helps the student turn in a paper of substance. AI does not. So professors and universities have needed to pivot their attention when it comes to enforcing academic honesty. How does one enforce a no cheating, no plagiarism code when AI is involved in the creation of the paper?

Agree 100%.