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The fallacious 'American Student' assumption.


queen sheba  53 | 648 ☆☆   Observer
Feb 07, 2013 | #1
There is a certain distinct debate strand within the general essay industry discourses that attempts to portray the average essay customer as an American student who speaks English as a first language and who needs to be protected from the machinations of ESL site owners.

US StudentNothing could be further from the truth.

Past studies have shown that majority of essay services customers from the US are ESL students who have problems with the English language.

Of course this problem is attributable to the crazy hunt for international students by US universities without any regard to the language competency of the students that these universities admit. For as long as JI Xu from China can afford $$$$ that these universities charge, she is assured of an admission. For as long as the students are enriching the universities, everything is fine. Very fine.

Naturally then, the students resort to buying custom written essays from online paper mills as they are not competent to write their own papers.
Such students prefer the services of qualified ESL writers so as to seal any hole of suspicion likely to arise if a lecturer discovers that the paper was written by a native speaker/writer.

Practically, all ESL students in the US prefer the services of ESL writers.
There is nothing like an 'American student'; the American educational system has students from practically all cultures in the world and the average essay customer is more likely to hail from Malaysia that the US even though schooling in an American university. There is no such thing as 'American student' in the essay industry.

I am in no way try to defend the incompetence of ESL writers. My point is: an ESL student in the US who is in need of an economics paper is better off dealing with a qualified ESL writer(with an economics degree) than a 'general' native writer who cannot name even two major fields within macroeconomics discipline.

The so called 'protectors' of 'American' students are just juvenile jerks trying to protect their collapsing turfs.
writers2beware  29 | 1712 ☆☆  
Feb 07, 2013 | #2
Past studies have shown

What studies? Are these more of your magical fairy dust studies that exist only in your twisted melon?

the average essay customer is more likely to hail from Malaysia that the US

You wouldn't happen to have any evidence to support this or any one of your other claims, would you?

Crawl back under your rock, Melissa.
OP queen sheba  53 | 648 ☆☆   Observer
Feb 07, 2013 | #3
What studies?

gwhatchet.com/2012/03/26/foreign-students-cheat-more-than-american-peers/ - Foreign students have higher rates of cheating than American peers

Foreign students have higher rates of cheating than American peers

"International students are more likely to cheat than their American counterparts, according to internal data released this week, mirroring a growing trend of academic dishonesty among foreign students in U.S. colleges"

Is that OK, writersb.itchware?

What studies? Are these more of your magical fairy dust studies that exist only in your twisted melon?

Want more evidence, pig?
Here is a quote from another report:
"That said, 75 per cent of our customers are foreign students who, although talented, can't express themselves as well in English as in their own language.

British universities are happy to take their money, without checking their English. There's a real greediness among British universities; students are left to struggle, and are forced to turn to a private company, rather than getting help that should be supplied by the university. It's not just foreign students. Most UK students who come to us are profoundly unhappy with the tuition they get, [with] no formal instruction in the writing and structuring of essays."

Still unconvinced, pig?
Here is more evidence:[url=news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/7275452.stm] Overseas students 'buying essays'[/url]
You better produce your own evidence to counter my argument, else simply STFU and continue swimming in your own delusions and stupidity.

You wouldn't happen to have any evidence to support this or any one of your other claims, would you, nutjob?

Still more evidence, nutcase: abc.net.au/news/2012-10-05/vc-speaks-out-over-cheating-scandal/4297924

Crawl back under your rock, Melissa.

Pig, i am also awaiting a list of the scam sites that i own. If you don't feel like repeating, i request you to provide a link to the thread where you exposed them.

Once you do that, i will investigate and expose each of the website. Yeah, i am willing to label all the sites that i own as scams.

Do that, pig.
writers2beware  29 | 1712 ☆☆  
Feb 07, 2013 | #4
FU, pig
Foreign students have higher rates of cheating than American peers

That article proves absolutely NOTHING that you have claimed. Learn how to read, moron.

In fact, NONE of the articles that you have posted prove anything that you have claimed. All you have shown is that a small percentage of the student body in the US is ESL, and a certain percentage therein cheats. You have failed miserably to prove that "most essay customers are ESL."
OP queen sheba  53 | 648 ☆☆   Observer
Feb 07, 2013 | #5
It is meaningless trying to factually explain basic algebra to a goat.
I will no longer be arguing with a demented slimeball.
writers2beware  29 | 1712 ☆☆  
Feb 08, 2013 | #6
Don't blame me because you can't prove ANYTHING that you claim.
OP queen sheba  53 | 648 ☆☆   Observer
Feb 13, 2013 | #7
If objective opinion from respected newspapers isn't enough evidence for your thick skull, you better retrieve your own 'evidence' from the moon.
We already know that the companies you represent purport to sell papers for 'research purposes' only. Yes, we believe that **** .
I am glad no student takes you seriously after your associates(WRT and Pheelyks) were outed due to their criminal/unethical operations.
writers2beware  29 | 1712 ☆☆  
Feb 13, 2013 | #8
Sorry, dip. Stop trying to obfuscate the truth. You claimed that "most essay customers are ESL." Prove it.
OP queen sheba  53 | 648 ☆☆   Observer
Feb 13, 2013 | #9
It isn't my will or even my work to prove that E=MC2 to a goat. I won't waste time proving the obvious.Demanding 'evidence' is always your favorite ram.

Can you prove that your aren't an idiot? Science always claims that the universe is several billion years old. Can you please travel back in time and check whether this is true? I hypothesize the existence of many 'empty' spaces inside your skull; spaces that would be occupied by the grey matter. In fact, your brain space is rapidly shrinking with obvious cognitive repercussions. Can you rush to your surgeon and prove me wrong?
writers2beware  29 | 1712 ☆☆  
Feb 13, 2013 | #10
I won't waste time proving the obvious.

So, now you're claiming that it is "obvious" that "most essay customers in the US are ESL"? You've skipped right passed the need for evidence by claiming that it is "obvious." Well, I guess there's no need for debate then, is there, "professor"? Touché!

Can you prove that your aren't an idiot?

Crickets . . . .
OP queen sheba  53 | 648 ☆☆   Observer
Feb 13, 2013 | #11
International students are more likely to cheat than their American counterparts, according to internal data released this week, mirroring a growing trend of academic dishonesty among foreign students in U.S. colleges. Non-citizen students, who make up about 12.1 percent of the GW student population, were responsible for nearly a quarter of all instances of academic dishonesty last year - the highest percentage in the available data. About 100 cases of alleged academic dishonesty were reported last year.
writers2beware  29 | 1712 ☆☆  
Feb 13, 2013 | #12
Please explain how that largely unsubstantiated and unverifiable claim means that "most US customers who buy essays are ESL."

Non-citizen students, who make up about 12.1 percent of the GW student population.

First of all, dumb, your sample size is 100 from a single study at a single university. Secondly, you just proved, based on your OWN EVIDENCE, that less than 25 out of 100 of the cases why perpetrated by "international" (which does not automatically mean "ESL") students. So, at the very most, only 24% of the essays were bought by ESL students. You lose.
OP queen sheba  53 | 648 ☆☆   Observer
Feb 13, 2013 | #13
Idiot. When you posted the Boston University 'evidence', what was the sample size?
writers2beware  29 | 1712 ☆☆  
Feb 14, 2013 | #15
ProfessorVerb, why do you feel the need to get on my bad side? You should probably think twice about who you're attempting to mock. Obviously, you don't have a clue who I am, so I'll cut you some limited slack.

When you posted the Boston University 'evidence', what was the sample size?

Firstly, how are you so familiar with extremely old, obscure threads in which I posted years ago (and have not been revived) if "queen sheba" is your first username?

Secondly, in that old thread, I was countering a claim that "all students who buy essays use them to cheat." Despite the fact that it is/was the ONLY such legal evidence on record, it would not matter if the sample size were 1, as long as that 1 student had been vindicated. From what I recall, court records prove that 8 Boston University students bought essays online, with 7 of them having PROPERLY CITED the source. Therefore, in that case, 7 out of 8 students who bought essays online did NOT cheat. Therefore, I successfully proved incorrect the ignorant assertion by and ignorant forum member that "all students who buy essays use them to cheat." Get it, genius? Do you understand the stark difference between my argument and yours? Sample size is irrelevant to my argument. Sampls size is at the heart of your argument. YOU LOSE . . . again.
ProfessorVerb  35 | 829   ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Feb 14, 2013 | #16
ProfessorVerb, why do you feel the need to get on my bad side?

If you choose to respond to my posts with your "bad side," that is up to you.
writers2beware  29 | 1712 ☆☆  
Feb 14, 2013 | #17
Actually, if you want to attack me for no reason, I have the connections to make your employment with a certain company come to an end. So, you go right ahead and decide what you value. Do you want to be a smartass or do you want to keep your job? You make the call.
ProfessorVerb  35 | 829   ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Feb 14, 2013 | #18
I'm an inveterate smartass so do what you need to do. I haven't attacked you or anyone else on this forum, unless you count the silly (and vulgar) quotes above. If you are someone who really knows me, please give me a call about this free speech issue because you have my phone number.
writers2beware  29 | 1712 ☆☆  
Feb 14, 2013 | #19
the silly (and vulgar) quotes

Really? If you consider the following words to be "vulgar," especially considering the relentless, actual vulgarities to which I have been subjected in this forum for YEARS (simply for exposing scams with verifiable evidence), you need a reality check.

Also, ProfessorVerb, attempting to mock me after I openly supported Fisher House is a pretty low, underhanded move.
ProfessorVerb  35 | 829   ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Feb 14, 2013 | #20
Also, ProfessorVerb, attempting to mock me

I call them like I see them.
writers2beware  29 | 1712 ☆☆  
Feb 14, 2013 | #21
Get your eyes checked. What did you "see," exactly? Where are my "vulgar" comments?

BTW, what in the hell have YOU done here except to post a seemingly endless stream of meaningless one-liners and mock those who have actually contributed valuable threads to this forum? People like me invested real effort, resources (including significant money), and time in posting detailed investigations in this forum, which put this place on the map. Smartasses like you come here to reap the benefits and mock those who came before you. It's great to know that you put your "40 years of experience" to such good use. How very mature of you. Keep up the good work!
ProfessorVerb  35 | 829   ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Feb 14, 2013 | #22
What in the hell have YOU done here

If this forum is sponsored by the company I have in mind (I'm not sure), it is the direct result of a suggestion I sent them in 2003 or 2004 about the need for such a writers' forum. A few years later, I joined this forum in response to their request and have enjoyed participating in the dialogue since then. I apologize if my one-liners have been offensive to you -- or anyone else. If you will check my posts, though, you will see I have contributed in other ways to this forum as well.

There are few others in my line of work, and it's interesting to see what they have to say about issues of importance to me. If that's not enough to justify my continuing participation in your view, then that is a personal decision. You seem to be spending plenty of time and energy trying to discredit people you don't even know, and it's discouraging to me at least to see your attacks on new members who are just trying to learn the ropes.

I'll certainly concede the colorfulness (and even the accuracy) of your posts and I enjoy reading them. My specific reference was to the following:

"dip%hit":

1. ***** is usually considered a vulgarity and profanity in Modern English. As a noun it refers to fecal matter (excrement) and as a verb it...".

2. dip%hit (plural dip%hits*)

a. (vulgar) A stupid or undesirable person. "That guy at work is such a dip%hit!"

b. (vulgar) Something unwanted or undesirable. "I don't have time for all this dip%hit".

3. *******. Vulgar Slang. n. A foolish or contemptible person (thefreedictionary).

*heh
OP queen sheba  53 | 648 ☆☆   Observer
Feb 14, 2013 | #23
Professorverb, attempting to hammer in some sense into that moron is simply a waste of time and energy. As you may have noticed, this creature creates fights where there should be none and is generally vengeful and full of sadness.

Let it not threaten you; it can never actualize its threats. its claims to have put this site on the map are simply hallucinations existing in its schizophrenic mind. Anyone with a decent internet connection could have outed the scams it claims to have exposed.
ProfessorVerb  35 | 829   ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Feb 14, 2013 | #24
it can never actualize its threats

Thank you, queen. As a real-live combat vet, I'm not worried about that but I appreciate your posts about scams. I'm still confused about how people can actually still get ripped off in this industry when there are so many legitimate providers available. Indeed, given the enormous numbers of scams around, it would seem to make more sense to keep track of the legitimate providers. Maybe the mods could add a new forum page: "Positive feedback" (I know all the arguments against, it's just an idea and the content would be for what it was worth.)
writers2beware  29 | 1712 ☆☆  
Feb 14, 2013 | #25
Professorverb, attempting to hammer in some sense into that moron is simply a waste of time and energy.

Queenie, I don't think that ProfessorVerb is nearly stupid enough to want to align himself with you and your void-of-evidence/reason assertions, so you can stop your spur-of-the-moment ass-kissing.

it is the direct result of a suggestion I sent them in 2003 or 2004 about the need for such a writers' forum.

That assumption is not at all accurate. I'll leave it at that.

Thank you, queen. As a real-live combat vet, I'm not worried about that but I appreciate your posts about scams.

If you actually believe anything that that psychotic simpleton posts, I will have no choice but to be alarmed by your gullibility. You do realize that she has not posted a SHRED of evidence to support ANY of her specific claims, right? Every time I nail her to the wall and demand that she provide evidence, she either flat out refuses to do so or posts some irrelevant, off-topic article that she scrapes from Google. Do you enjoy feeding the animals and rewarding lies/misrepresentations? I'm really curious as to how you've apparently come to be a fan of such a well-known, proven liar and ignoramus whose previous 17 usernames have been banned for repeatedly posting some of the most vile, racist, disgusting tripe that one could ever read.

it would seem to make more sense to keep track of the legitimate providers

No, it doesn't. The name of this site is "essay scam," not "essay promote" or "essay legit." There is more than enough SPAM as it is; we don't need to welcome "positive" reviews from shills.
OP queen sheba  53 | 648 ☆☆   Observer
Feb 14, 2013 | #26
Stop your divide-and-'rule' tactics. He is not attempting to 'align' with me; rather, he has clearly discovered how moronic you are though he might not be as vocal as i am in exposing the idiocy in you.

If you can shed off several pounds of your stupidity, i can as well agree with you.
Pig, if you want a link to my CV, please just post all my scam sites- whether they still operate or not. FYI, i have a brand new essay site and so far, 27 clients have ordered from me. Please expose my new scam site as well, before i scam students big time.

hint: the site's URL reads something like this: essay****port.com. It is registered as a company in the US.
That should pretty much keep you busy as you track the site's full address.
ProfessorVerb  35 | 829   ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Feb 14, 2013 | #27
I think that positive reviews of writers or companies would help students steer clear of scams.
writers2beware  29 | 1712 ☆☆  
Feb 14, 2013 | #28
he has clearly discovered how moronic you are though he might not be as vocal as i am in exposing the idiocy in you.

Neither you nor he can "expose" the slightest bit of "idiocy" in any one of my nearly 9,000 posts. Continuing to make that claim merely proves that you are an ineffectual, out-of-touch.

He is not attempting to 'align' with me

Clearly, you have a difficult time understanding simple English. Once again, your immediate about-face in trying to openly "relate" to ProfessorVerb as soon as you sensed the slightest bit of ProfessorVerb's ill-informed and completely undeserved animosity towards me speaks volumes about your desperation and utter lack of character. NEVER did I claim that ProfessorVerb was attempting to align himself with you. Try "Hooked on Phonics." What I stated is that your blatant attempt to kiss his ass will not result in him openly aligning himself with your void-of-evidence accusations against me. Do you understand?
ProfessorVerb  35 | 829   ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Feb 15, 2013 | #29
Wow! You really take this seriously, huh? That can't be good for you.
OP queen sheba  53 | 648 ☆☆   Observer
Feb 15, 2013 | #30
Do not blame it. I have seen patients with psychosis and the rage they display is equal in magnitude to what this WB thing is exhibiting.

Can someone rational spend 6 years cursing/wailing/screaming and chasing nonexistent Ukrainian/Pakistan 'criminals'?
You know, severe hallucinations makes this WB 'see' sly ESL merchants sell papers to students inside its bedroom. It just wakes up and starts typing its usual bile.

WB, sorry for your pathetic condition.
writers2beware  29 | 1712 ☆☆  
Feb 15, 2013 | #31
I have seen patients with psychosis

You would certainly know about psychosis, Melissa. Just ask the owner of your previous 17 usernames.

Wow! You really take this seriously, huh? That can't be good for you.

Tell me-where did you develop your lack of integrity? It must have been after leaving the military. It takes a really, really underhanded person to mock the efforts and hard work of those who came before him, and then not admit his mistake when presented with overwhelming evidence. I can only feel sorry for you. It's unfortunate, because you seemed like a fairly nice guy until you started attacking me for no reason and siding with the resident nutcase who's despised by virtually every long-time member of this forum (even most of the criminals who hate me so much for outing their scams).

Wow! You really take this seriously, huh?

Unbelievable. Just because you think that everything is a joke and obviously don't give a rat's ass about this forum, industry, or defrauded consumers doesn't mean that everyone else feels the same way. What's clear is that you get your jollies from mocking my efforts to help people. That's sad, and certainly much less than I've come to expect from those in the military.
ProfessorVerb  35 | 829   ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Feb 15, 2013 | #32
What kind of person threatens a family man's livelihood over a joke?
OP queen sheba  53 | 648 ☆☆   Observer
Feb 15, 2013 | #33
You would certainly know about psychosis, Melissa.

Yes, i have seen a victim of this illness roam this site exposing shadows.
ProfessorVerb  35 | 829   ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Feb 15, 2013 | #34
That assumption is not at all accurate. I'll leave it at that.

Unless you are the person I sent my suggestion to, you have no way of knowing that. If you are the person I sent the suggestion to, you know the facts.
writers2beware  29 | 1712 ☆☆  
Feb 15, 2013 | #35
What kind of person threatens a family man's livelihood over a joke?

Joking about matters that are obviously of great importance to others is not only not funny, but underhanded. If you don't care about the industry, and the people who've fought to make it a much more transparent arena, why should I go out of my way to help or tolerate you? If not for all of my investigations over the years, you would know a lot less critical information about pretty much every major and minor employer in this industry. Check my threads that I started publishing in June of 2007, and you'll see that I was the person who brought all nearly significant, previously unknown information to light. You're welcome.

If this forum is sponsored by the company I have in mind (I'm not sure), it is the direct result of a suggestion I sent them in 2003 or 2004 about the need for such a writers' forum.

Obviously, the incorrect assumption to which I am referring is that your suggestion had anything to do with the creation of this forum. First of all, the essayscam.org domain wasn't even registered until January 31, 2006, which is YEARS after your purported suggestion took place. Secondly, this forum was created in direct response to another forum.
ProfessorVerb  35 | 829   ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Feb 16, 2013 | #36
My last response to this member: I am not concerned about defrauded clients because I don't defraud my clients. I am also not concerned about people who buy cars that are lemons or who listen to bad advice from their lawyers. You certainly can dish it out but you can't even take a joke. This forum had to be someone's idea, why is it so farfetched that it was mine? I've never asked for credit or a dime in return, but you asked me what I had contributed to this forum and I suggest that I helped to create it. I know that you will take this post and dissect it like you do with everyone's, but you are seeing things that aren't there. I would recommend professional help.
OP queen sheba  53 | 648 ☆☆   Observer
Feb 16, 2013 | #37
Domain Name: ESSAYSCAM.ORG
Created On: 31-Jan-2006

That's a gem, MRS Whois Google.

I would recommend professional help.

Exactly. I have been telling it for sometime now.
writers2beware  29 | 1712 ☆☆  
Feb 16, 2013 | #38
Tolerate me? You threatened me!

Oh, poor baby. I threatened you out of the blue, right? Is that your contention? You did nothing to me first? You didn't mock me about 5 times before I finally retaliated? Did they teach you how to avoid responsibility in the military, too? I don't think so. You sure learned a lot after leaving the military, didn't you?

You think that your jokes are harmless? Who are you to say that I don't find "threatening your livelihood" to be a joke? I guess it's in the eye of the beholder, isn't it?

The other members are right: you are one sick puppy.

The "other members" to which you are referring are all proven criminals who hate me because I exposed them. Congratulations on the company that you keep. They also can't stand the fact that they can never defeat me in any form of legitimate debate because truth and evidence are always on my side. So, they practice the only tactic at their disposal: character assassination.

That's a gem, MRS Whois Google.

Um, in this particular instance, simple Whois data is precisely what is needed to prove ProfessorVerb a clueless idiot.
99Essays  3 | 243   Freelance Writer
Feb 16, 2013 | #39
I didn't take PV's posts to be mockery, insults, or attacks on anybody. I took it them as a wisened senior member holding up a mirror to the entire forum to suggest that maybe it should up its game as to the language level. Like Morgan Freeman would do. This thread happened to be his example. The point would apply not to just one or two members, but to quite a few. I enjoy, say, accusing Editor75 of improper acts with livestock just as much as the next forum member. But if someone like PV, a combat veteran with a reputation for fair dealing, has a critique, I'll hear him out. Anyway, I think he was offering an olive branch when he said, "I'll certainly concede the colorfulness (and even the accuracy) of your posts and I enjoy reading them."

These two members should call a truce. If individuals in the reputable hemisphere of the essay world are fighting amongst themselves, then I don't see how students will be able to tell legit from non.

I will butt out now!
writers2beware  29 | 1712 ☆☆  
Feb 17, 2013 | #40
I hear you and agree. My contention is that if PV wanted to make some sort of point, he shouldn't have chosen me as one of his guinea pigs. It was completely undeserved and irresponsible. I deal with enough crap from all of the fraudsters who frequent this forum. I don't need it from him, too.




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