I can't mention the businesses by name?

So just because a company asks not to be discussed on this site, we can't say that company's name here? How in god's name does that work? The scammers get to be left out of the scam discussion just because they want to be? I guess it's some legal issue, but it seems like there's some conflict with freedom of speech. I know this isn't what everyone is here to talk about, but I just find it rather confusing.

Since WritersBeware's website is on the list too and he is by far the most prolific poster here, I'd like to see his response to your question as well.

Which site is that, Yuri?

By the way, CONVICTED CRIMINAL, why did you stop posting in the thread about your crimes?

/criminal-record-owner-essaywriters-bestessays-1728/

I write for some of the companies on that list. The ones I write for are totally 100% legit; I have absolutely no knowledge about any other websites except for whatever I've read on this forum and I don't know anything about the history of any restrictions on discussing specific websites here.

Freedom of speech is a concept that's very poorly understood: it only pertains to censorship by governmental authorities, not private entities. Otherwise, I'd have a great case since my outgoing PMs were permanently disabled a long time ago for contacting customers that way.

FW, ET was placed in the list not per request by ET, but by the moderator of this forum because of non-stop, competitor libel against ET that was absolutely ruining every thread of the forum.

I'm not saying this site is a scam, but it sure seems shady when a message board supposedly devoted to exposing scams in the essay writing industry doesn't allow you to post the names of many of the businesses in question.

Does anyone know of any better sites for discussing this sort of thing, where we're not restricted this way?

You really shouldn't make such rash comments when you don't understand the legal implications/justifications of the actions that the moderators have taken.

Rash comments? I didn't really make any assertions about anything. You're right, I don't understand all the legal implications/justifications involved. You'll notice I said it was confusing. I'm definitely not claiming to be an expert on such issues. I'm not saying anything wrong is being done here, but that it kind of seems that way. I said it SEEMS shady. So, to summarize my point, I don't know what's up with not being able to mention the businesses, but something about it SEEMS fishy to me. Whether it is in fact fishy I am unsure, which is pretty much why I started a thread to discuss it.

WritersBeware, you make some good points in some threads but you also have a habit of attacking people over things they didn't actually say. I don't know if you just misunderstand a lot of what you read or if you intentionally misinterpret, but your skills at attacking straw men impress nobody.

Let's see if you can backup your accusations, shall we? Please identify exactly what it is that you claim me to have "misinterpreted" and/or erroneously claimed that you stated.

I've already said it. I could be wrong, but it seems as though you were responding to someone who was outright criticizing the rule about certain business names, and were attacking me for lack of knowledge about the legal issues involved, when in fact I was just raising a question about the practice and openly admitting that I found it confusing. You responded like someone being attacked when there was no attack.

Ah, I see. As long as you put "I'm not saying" or "I could be wrong" in front of all of your accusations, they're not accusations.

So there's something wrong with admitting it's possible I could have misinterpreted as well?

No, there's something wrong with trying to mask your accusations in a cloak of innocence.

Every question that you have asked has already been answered in this forum. Do thorough research before posting inflammatory assumptions. That's what professional writers are supposed to do.

It's not a cloak of ignorance, it's an admission of non-omniscience.

Every answer you give has already been given in this forum, by you.

Once again, I made no assumptions or assertions, just raised a question and indicated why it seemed like a good question to raise.

There is no such thing as "supposed to" so don't pretend there is.

Ok, so in your opinion, a professional writer is not supposed to do thorough research before writing/typing potentially inflammatory statements based on false assumption. I'm sure that your clients will appreciate that practice.

Are you still claiming that "would-be essay writers" have no interest in or connection to "freelance writing" sites?

Once again, I did not make statements about the site but rather raised a question. I did make a statement about myself and how something SEEMED to ME. To say that something seems fishy to me is not to make a statement about its legitimacy.

Also, I never said that would-be essay writers have no interest in or connection to freelance writing sites. I said that by repeatedly mentioning those sites you were missing the point of the thread. If I'm trying to find out if the freelance writing site is a scam, I'm not just going to go to that freelance writing site. I might even go to a forum where people discuss scams related to freelance writing, such as this one. This is a site for potential customers and potential employees to discuss essay writing businesses to determine which ones will scam you, based on information from other people's accounts of their own experiences with these companies.

Also, why not just respond to that thread in that thread, instead of bringing that debate into this debate? I'll argue with you, but let's keep it organized.

You never mentioned the company's freelance writing site. You mentioned only its consumer-end site.

My only inquiries have been about the writing side of things, as that's the only part of this I'm interested in. I don't need to buy papers but I'd like to write them for money. I'm willing to respond to your points but please keep them accurate.

You're a liar, and I've proved as much. Go back to your awesome Yahoo group.

Fine, prove that I only inquired about the consumer side of things.

Of course, that's irrelevant anyway, because there's nothing wrong with that either. Both are in line with the rules and intended purpose of this site, as I have proven in another thread and you even agreed with eventually.

Why are you still here? What happened to your fabulous Yahoo group? LMAO!

1. Using multiple resources is often better than just one.

2. Now that you know what it says on the homepage, perhaps this site will be more useful.

Yes, I do:

While advertising or promoting any particular service or professional writer is not allowed, providing genuine positive feedback is always welcome, so long as it is not the only goal of the poster and is not an "advertisement in disguise." Because it can be tricky at times to determine if any given message is an advertisement or not, the final decision belongs to moderators.

You joined this forum with the sole purpose of getting site-specific recommendations for personal, monetary gain.

Yes, I wanted to hear any positive feedback someone might have from their personal experience as a writer for such companies. That's allowed.


What, can't back it up?

Ha ha, I love winning.

Why are you still trying to start trouble? Why are you so obsessed with me? Are you that pathetic?

By the way, do you enjoy publicly groveling for jobs that earn peanuts? Sad.

Don't like to get what you give?

What I "gave" was the return of your rudeness and insults. You have a really short memory.

Dude, you've interrupted and sidetracked every thread I've posted. I was just trying to avoid getting ripped off but you kept telling us what we couldn't talk about. It was frustrating, especially when we were in line with the rules.

Your innocent act is wearing thin. You've intentionally instigated me at nearly every turn. You also s-i* on me when I first tried to help.

Enjoy Rusty's recommendations.

Ok, so let's trace this back. You're saying this started when you first tried to help. Remind me, what help was that? I'm totally serious here, let's figure out where this crap started. Maybe it was just a miscommunication.

Somewriter - a few years ago I had the mother of all clashes with WB (not sure if it was here or on essayfraud). At that time I was working for a few firms, including AR. AR was, without doubt, the lowest paying one (their average was $7 per page, compared to the $10+ I received from the others). Anyway, AR had some lovely Admin and managers and I really liked them. So, I tried to defend AR against what I believed to be WB's foundless and libellous accusations. We clashed, of course. Care to guess which one of us was ultimately proven correct?

I realise that the no recommendations' policy is frustrating. It is there, however, for a good reason. Can you even begin to imagine what would happen were recommendations allowed? We'd all be promoting our own sites. The legits would be doing it as would the scammers. At the end of the day, customers and writers won't be able to distinguish between the two ... they will be misled and scammed. So, whether we like it or not, the policy is there for a solid reason.

If you want to know which sites to write for and which to avoid, use the search function. There is hardly a fraudulent site out there which WB hasn't exposed. Use the search function, read, learn and be safe. Don't allow yourself to end up with a fraudulent outfit. You'll end up not getting your rightful dues.

Thanks for the response. Here's what I don't get: Positive feedback and the sharing of personal experiences with these businesses is allowed. I've been told recommendations are not allowed. So how does this work? I can say I had a positive experience with a certain company as long as I don't technically recommend them? And where is the rule about no recommendations? So long as the company isn't on the do not discuss list, why can't we discuss them?

And please, don't take my questions as me trying to start a fight, they are honest questions.

But positive feedback from someone else isn't advertising. And positive feedback is allowed.

You go ahead and post whatever you think is not selfish and benefits the long-term value and trustworthiness of the forum.

I don't have to justify my posts, I'm just trying to get answers. It's obvious from the home page that we are allowed to give positive feedback and share our personal experiences with these businesses. WB, I honestly think you might be one of the ones who can help clear this up, if you so wish. Either way, let's not turn it into another fight.

I get your point about positive feedback but have a question ... isn't positive feedback tantamount to recommendations? And if we were to engage in positive feedback, wouldn't we be opening the door for recommendations, disguised as positive feedback from `satisfied' customers and `happy' writers?

Yes, it seems whoever is running this site is contradicting him/herself.

Yes, it seems whoever is running this site is contradicting him/herself.

I actually asked for a clarification about the *D N D specification before I came across this prost. It doesn't mean that the company name cannot be mentioned or discussed.. I was told that it just means that thecompany owners or representatives contacted the forum with a request to not have their company discussed. The * D N D acronym doesn't mean anything - It's just a way that Es uses to let the company know that their request was received and acknowledged. Do not consider it a binding agreement of any sort.