Proposed requirement for complaints: ORDER NUMBER

How is it less revealing for the customer to post a description of a paper the customer is dissatisfied with than it is for them to post a number that has no meaning outside a private company's internal control system?

Freelance, thanks for pointing out the amusing ignorance and cluelessness of yet another one of Rusty's moronic accusations. The dude obviously has no fu**-n clue how the internet works.


You think, therefore you aren't.

If I had access to ET's order system, there would be no "trying." Either the complaint would match-up or it wouldn't. Plus, I'd have access to the entire order history, including all emails/messages between the complainer and the company. I'd have more than enough information to make a definitive identification. I'd be able to connect all the dots quite easily.

Rusty, you are one dumb son of a b**-h.

it doesn't take a genius to see that you want to be able to reference customer complaints to order numbers, WB. and, knowing your style, you won't stop until you're rooting through their garbage for traffic tickets.

Are you a complete idiot? That's a serious question. I ask because your latest post leads one to believe that you are too stupid to understand:


The communications history-in and of itself-would be more than enough "clue" to establish a connection. Do you not get that?

I don't agree with your hypothetical fantasy of being able to "connect the dots," while you beg the mod to connect them for you. maybe that makes me dumb.

There's nothing "hypothetical" about it. If a customer comes here to post a complaint, that complaint will contain certain details and specifics, as well as chronological associations. Anyone who works at ET would be able to connect the dots after having dealt with the customer's complaint BEFORE he/she posted here. Get it, dumb-phuck?


Gee, isn't it funny how EVERY member who has posted in this thread (Gurucoder, Carly, Armstrong, amnateeb, pheelyks, Heremeout, FreelanceWriter, etc.) seems to support my proposal except for you and "queen sheba"? The company that you keep is quite telling.


Well, you previously posted about 613 different things that established your dumbness. It's hardly breaking news.

requiring order numbers is a bad idea. it's the wrong setting: this isn't a customer service site; it's a writhing pit of snakes, mongs, con-artists, wanna-bes, trolls, head-cases, and fake sleuths. if a student gets ripped off and doesn't feel like supplying information that could compromise their identity here, that's fine... and the mod knows it.

Yeah, for the dishonest pieces of trash like you who falsely pose as others in order to attack the competition . . . .


Your level of self-awareness is extraordinary.


No, it's not fine, because for every legit complaint, there will probably be 10 bogus complaints. If the complainer is not lying, he/she has nothing to fear. If the complainer has something to hide, he/she probably shouldn't have bought papers online in the first place.


Actually, the mod is probably just figuring out how (or the best way) to implement it.

... or maybe the mod realizes the class tattle-tale is trying to lead them into a logistical and legal nightmare, for some very lazy, selfish reasons.

good luck on your umpteenth doomed charge, anyway... it's a good thing you don't appear to be self-aware.

All the more reason to provide actual evidence for claims that are made.


The topic of an essay and the conversation(s) with writers/customer service are far more identifying than an order number to anyone outside the ET customer service team, and inside that customer service team the order number would simply provide one more clue as to identity, not be the only item of revelation.

EXACTLY. Rusty likes to ignore the obvious.

this is an excellent explanation of why WB wants the order numbers, Pheelyks. thanks. let me remind everyone again: despite sometime appearances, essayscam.org is not ET customer service.


charge!

Yet people complain here as if it were. Asking them to validate those claims is entirely reasonable. It is also reasonable to ask supposed customers of other sites/writers to provide evidence of their claims. You're the only one making this a single-site issue.

That's the only reason why he's here, so it makes sense.

no one is proposing that complaining customers be asked anything.


and why are you here, again? you don't work admin or freelance for any essay mills, right? you're just an aspiring crusader with too much free time, I guess.

Actually, many people are proposing that complaining customers be asked to provide some evidence of their complaints. I think you're confusing "I'm not" with "no one is," just like you confuse "bulls-i*" for "logic."

the notion is not that the customer be asked, but be required.

Not all client is stupid liek you want them. If you post order id Pheelyks will want to report you to school if you unhappy. Pheelyks and FreelanceStarter work for WB so imagine what this team can do if they have order_I:D.

1. I greatly prefer smart clients over stupid ones; they're much easier to work with and much more appreciative.

2. As writers, neither Pheelyks nor I have any access to customer information on company systems. Obviously, we already know all the order numbers of any assignments we take and we don't have any involvement in other writers' assignments, much less in any problems other writers may have with customers over a paper. Pheelyks and ResearchPro are the only other company writers I know and that's only because, like me, they also use their company IDs as their S/Ns on this forum.

3. Pheelyks and I have always openly admitted what companies we write for. I don't know WB except as a fellow member of this forum and I certainly don't "work" for her.


No customer of any site is "required" to discuss any assignment on this forum. Every essay site has a messaging system for customers to contact writers and customer service reps.

If customers choose to discuss their assignments on this open forum, they should be required to disclose the order number because that's the only way to prevent dirtbags (like Stu4) from creating phony accounts and using them to pretend to be "customers" disappointed by reputable essay companies they can't compete with honestly and fairly on the quality of their work.

As Pheelyks pointed out, the order number has absolutely no meaning outside the company system. As WB pointed out, any details of the typical complaint about any assignment would provide enough information for any company reps reading these threads to figure out which order it was if they really wanted to. As I've pointed out, you really need to make up your mind between accusations: If this forum is maintained by an essay company as you've suggested, that company could simply ID any customer by matching IPs to forum posts.

There's simply no other way to prevent dirtbags (like Stu4) from starting threads under phony accounts saying "Company XYZ ripped me off and here's my story." Posting the order # allows entirely false, made-up complaints to be identified so nobody has to figure out which complaints are real and which ones are 100% BS.

WB started EssayFraud (its very likely you and Pheleaks was involved) under phony pretenses libeling 500+ sites (except his own so called <[legitimate]> one are rippoffs. You talk about dirtbags, FreelanceIdiot? Same story goes on here.

web.archive.org/web/20070927220158/essayfraud

Is your theory that Pheelyks and I patiently waited until 2009 and 2008 to sign up here as part of our 3-way plot to pretend we were just forum members who didn't all know one another already? Is your theory that Pheelyks and I both signed up here using the exact same IDs we use on the company boardsand that we've both always admitted what companies we write for using those IDs because we wanted to pretend not to be writers for the same company you always accuse of running this forum? Even you understand the flaws in that theory, right?

LMAO! Mr. Ukraine, you are a clueless idiot, but that's hardly a newsflash.

By the way, dumbphuck, truth is an absolute defense against libel.

Mod, please don't implement WB's fishy proposal on complaint and order numbers...........

Mod:
A few days back, WB proposed that for any complaint from a client to be considered authentic, it must be accompanied by the order number assigned to the client by the company s/he ordered from

Now this is the most pathetic, useless, unsound, reckless and sadistic proposal I have heard from this WB creature.
Look, clients need not be throttled by a demand that is clearly aimed at sabotaging genuine complaints from genuine clients.
Writers like pheelyks who don't issue customers with order ids will have a field day as they know potential complaints from scammed clients will get a technical knock out before scammers can be exposed.

I am always reading complaints from customers scammed by -say- pheelyks yet , athough being genuine complaints, they don't have order numbers.
What WB and her stooge pheelkys want is to create system that will ensure no any geunien complaint ever gets heard.
Don't listen to WB. Unless, of course, pheelkys and co starts issuing order numbers.
Implementing this proposal will see me quit this forum, along with my fans.

How is that clear, exactly? How would it even work? What about supplying an ID number would sabotage a genuine complaint--it would actually serve to verify it as genuine, wouldn't it?


Really? You spend all of your time reading the same months-old complaints over and over again?


All PayPal and Google Checkout transaction have unique IDs that are available to individuals that placed the orders. All orders I complete directly for clients also have an email chain for verification. I have openly and readily admitted when legitimate customers of mine have posted here with complaints, and have only asked for transaction IDs when I know the "customers" are liars--most of them are actually you posting under various names.


If this isn't a good reason to implement the change, I don't know what is.


What fans? Not even the other posters that hate WB like you.

Were it not for privacy concerns, i can itemize handles of OVER 20 students who have contacted me ever since i joined this forum, seeking advice on a wide range of issues.

Yeah, there's always some reason you can never actually provide the evidence you claim to have.

Hey, any word on that mountain of statistical analysis you conducted on WB's posting history? Is that ready for you to share yet?

Hey, Queen Kenya, my proposal has already been implemented:

"If you're posting a complaint against a company or a writer, please provide the corresponding order number (otherwise your post may be removed)."

The moderator implemented it because it is an excellent idea that benefits all visitors and members of the forum (well, except for the lying fraudsters like you).

Darn.

That is precisely why you consistently refuse to account for WRT misdeeds?
Even when your scamming sidekick(pheelyks) gets the mud on the face, you choose to ignore?
You really have the guts to call anyone a fraudster

Um, I'm sorry, but your post makes no sense whatsoever.

It can't if you allow vile propaganda to get the better of whatever is inside your skull.
The reason i opposed this was that i'd give students much more difficult time as the risk to incriminate themselves once they start posting order nos/title assignments increases significantly. I was on the side of the students trying to protect them from a deranged army of sadists led by you.

With time, i will be proved right.

. . . you will become more and more mentally unstable.

There must be other ways to verify posts that are less public. Matching time and date of order or something like that.

Good suggestion, but not picked up on by the students filing complaints. Why? I can only think that the "students" posting the complaints are not really "students" but paid troublemakers who are paid to malign other websites deemed to be direct competitors. From what I can tell, certain company representatives do try to verify the claims made by some students here, but they cannot find any proof that such an order was ever filed at their company. Hence my disbelief when it comes to the truth behind the complaints. Sometimes, the students need to be questioned, as well as the companies, for the readers her to arrive at the truth and make a truly informed decision.

The students seem to prefer posting screenshots or cut and paste chat discussions instead of the order number. I do not know why the have this preference since the chat provides the discussion flow, but does not allow for a thorough investigation of the matter. By posting the order number, the company representatives that lurk at this forum will have the opportunity to defend themselves against unjust claims. I should know, they have come after me often enough for commenting negatively about their company for an unrelated reason. You would think that the students would use this forum to reach out to the company reps or anybody connected to the company in an effort to resolve the issue. I wonder why the mods did not think of using this suggestion.