To receive a bad essay or not to receive it at all - that's the question!

If you are a student who ordered an essay - what would be worse:

A. Not to receive the ordered essay at all.

B. Receive an essay on time but irrelevant, plagiarized, or poorly written?

In which case would you be more pissed? :-

Reputable companies only accept:

C. Receive good and relevant essay on time.

But from student point of view it's always better to receive something than nothing. You use essay as an example to write your own piece after all right?

Not when it's the kind of s-i* that most of your writers put out.

If you can't even understand the point that the writer is trying to make, and if that point is completely off-topic when it CAN be figured out (and when the margins are set to two inches all around so there's only half the paper that customers were expecting, it's still useless as an example. And then you (the company) tries to claim that the order was completed so no refund will be issued.

Customers, here's the deal: legitimate companies do not complete every order they receive. Sometimes there simply isn't a writer available to accomplish what is requested in the desired timeframe. S?-tty scam companies like stu4's and rogerb's ALWAYS finish EVERY order because there's always someone that can PLAGIARIZE other work and write some incoherent sentences to add to it. Then they think they are entitled to keep the customer's money, and when the customer complains they usually fine the writer without giving anything back to the customer. The only winners here are the owners, and they love it.

If I were a customer, I would rather receive nothing than a useless piece of s-i* because it would be that much easier to get my money back. Nice try, rogerb, but you and stu4 are both crooks and dumba$$es and it's pretty obvious to most of us here.

Wrong. Students pay good money to receive excellent, custom-written projects. Receiving a piece of crap is just as bad as receiving nothing at all. Even in a world where students actually do just use what they buy as a model (HAHA!), handing them s-i* would still do them no good.

I would be more pissed off to not recieve an essay at all. If you recieve a bad essay, at least you can fix it.

Not if it has nothing to do with your topic and is in completely unintelligible English. Everyone, be sure to order from TheGuardian's new essay company (hosted on a free blog site, so you know it's good).

That is a good point. I was thinking optimistically about a bad essay. I did not even consider off-topic essays or unintelligible English. I was only considering a poorly constructed or short essay.

You haven't considered a whole plethora of issues related to operating an essay company. That's why your business will fail, despite the best possible intentions (which I don't believe you have, anyway).

What on earth are you trying to say?

Customers - when you receive a bad essay, adopt an optimistic attitude towards it all. Yes, you were robbed and played for a fool but, you are still alive and the sun is still shinning. The world has not come to an end!

theGuardian - bad essay = theft.

Optimism ...

Maybe my business will fail, maybe not. I hope that I do succeed in the essay game and i am able to provide high quality essays to those in need for reasonable prices. I really am genuine about my intentions. I would never knowingly screw over someone. I am just not that kind of person.

Not with this mindset:

I think he's gone now, anyway, EW. Resorted to calling me a troll and "conceded" the argument based on this assessment of my character. I, of course, have been deeply hurt, and remain worried that he will soon put us all out of business...

You took the quote out of context. I was stating that if I had the choice of receiving no essay or receiving a bad essay, I would choose the bad essay.Which would you choose?

If you took the time to read the entire thread and actually knew something about the way legitimate companies operate versus the way the scam companies operate, you would see that EW's comment was completely relevant and that he did not misconstrue the context of your statement. BAD companies finish every essay ever ordered so they can claim the product was delivered and refuse refunds. GOOD companies often have more orders placed than they can fulfill, and refund the orders that they don't complete.

Again. You ought to do a little research into your proposed industry before trying to start a business. This is another thing that Brin, Page, and Zuckerberg all did and that makes your "company" entirely different from what Google and Facebook were like as startups.

If I had the choice of receiving no essay or receiving a bad essay, I would choose the bad essay. I have not started my business yet, I am preparing my business. I still have the ability to change certain aspects of my business before diving into essay writing.

If I was a client, I'd choose neither. If I "had" to choose, there wouldn't be a point in choosing so I still wouldn't bother (I would however, bother my credit card company for a chargeback). If I had to choose at gunpoint, I'd flip a coin. Still think I quoted you out of context?


Right... with writers who are happily willing to work for no more than $5/page. >.<

You did quote me out of context. you made it sound as if I would send someone a bad essay. I would never do this.I was simply trying to state that I would choose a bad essay over no essay if i was forced to make a decision. I would not flip a coin as you would do.


As I have stated previously, I have come to the conclusion that $5 is too low. I do not want to overcharge, but $5 is too low.

No, he didn't. If that's how you read his quote and subsequent statement, that's a failing of your intelligence and not EW's ethics.


Do you understand the concept of supply and demand at even the most basic level? The price of a good is determined by the amount consumers will pay for it given a specific limited supply of that product. The industry average for per-page rates is by definition NOT "overcharging" precisely because consumers have shown that this is the correct price.

Someone needs to go back to school....

EW is implying that I will not provide quality essays because I believe that bad essays are better than no essay at all.


Writing is a service and not a product. Consumers buy essays at the high rate because they have to if they want something of good quality.

Are you sure you don't mean inferring? Just kidding, but in all seriousness, NO, he isn't. Again, READ the thread, or at least read my explanation of how this business works. Providing no essay is a better thing than providing a bad essay for very specific reasons.


The essays that people by are a product. By your understanding of things, I am not purchasing lettuce at the supermarket, I am purchasing a farmer's services. Don't you work at a supermarket? Is that really how you think things work?


Yes...that was my point. Consumers have decided that paying for quality is worth a certain price. Charging below that price will not enable you to pay writers competitively with other high quality essay sites. If you want to write "high quality" essays (or as high quality essays as you are able to) for way less than the going rate, that just makes you an idiot. Of course, you already admitted you were bad at math....

Essays are not produced or manufactured nor grown. Lettuce is a physical good and the farmer simply provides a service by which supermarkets obtain the lettuce.

Yes, they are. As in, when I write an essay, I produce it. If the "growth" thing has you confused, what about manufactured items like, say, a candlestick? Is the candlestick maker providing a service or a good? At this point it's a matter of semantics, but I still say you're a dumba$$ who has to resort to minuscule quibbles instead of making substantive arguments.

Please learn how to properly use "nor." Thank you.

A candlestick is produced. Candle wax is produced. A candlestick is a good. An essay is a service becausethe buyer does not generally, except by exclusive contract, obtain exclusive ownership of the thing purchased. This is the same reason why teaching is a service.

NO, it's completely different. Teaching does not result in the production of a tnagible good--the benefit that is gained from a teacher is intangible. House cleaning is a service because there is no tangible good transferred; lawyers provide a service because there is no tangible good provided. Writing is a service, but it produces a TANGIBLE PRODUCT--i.e. an essay, in the industry we're discussing. And you're still a dumba$$.

I would be pissed to the high heavens regardless of the scenario. Either ways, I would feel duped and helpless, which would translate into my going into Incredible Hulk mode without anything to destroy.

If I don't receive the essay at all, that means I end up with a failing grade because I won't have time to pull a paper together on my own before the deadline. If I receive an irrelevant paper, I would still fail my class because I still won't have the time to string together enough information to put together whatever essay I can for submission to the professor. It's a lose-lose situation whichever one I pick. So I won't choose either if that is at all possible.

Although, if I don't receive the paper, there is a chance that the writing company can still get a writer for me to cobble enough information to help me at least get through the requirement of passing the paper. So, if I think really hard, about it, maybe receiving an irrelevant essay on time would make me angrier.

A student who values his grade in any subject should be rightly angered if any of the two case scenarios indicated happens to him. Both scenarios will directly affect the academic scores of the student. A student should not accept any excuses from the company because there simply isn't an acceptable excuse. If the writer was unable to complete the work on time, then the company should have reassigned the work long before the deadline. It is also the job of the company to make sure that the QAD checks the paper for relevance prior to submission to the student. No paper should be submitted directly from the writer to the student to avoid revision scenarios brought about by sloppy work or irrelevant content. A student pays for a paper therefore the student should not receive a bad essay nor not receive an essay. He has to receive the paper that he paid for at the assured quality of content that the company indicated it could deliver. There is no middle ground in these scenarios.

Obviously, neither of them is acceptable. However, you're probably much better off receiving nothing for at least two reasons:

1. If you paid by PayPal or some similar method, your chances of getting a refund are much better if you received nothing. If they send you even a horribly-written project that's totally unusable to you, third-party intermediaries like PayPal will often tell you that they don't "get involved" in "evaluating the quality" of a written project. The best case in that scenario would be outright plagiarism that you could prove to the intermediary by showing them the actual source of whatever was plagiarized. If the problem is the quality of the work, you have a very steep uphill battle to convince PayPal that you're entitled to a refund, even though you are by any reasonable objective standard.

2. The consequences of missing your deadline could be a very bad grade for the course. However, the worst-case scenario (such as if you don't realize the work was plagiarized and you rely on it for your submission), the consequences could be much worse, including formal university charges for academic dishonesty.

This line makes me wonder how this truly would function. I have yet to come across a platform that would outwardly and extensively revise a work before it becomes visible to a client. I have noticed that these companies often prefer that you have direct interaction with the client. Maybe I'm in the wrong?

In my experience writing for essay companies, nobody at the company reviews (much less edits or corrects) projects before clients receive them. Writers simply upload them directly to the system and the client receives whatever file is uploaded nearly instantaneously. The only projects that get reviewed by anybody at the company are those for which the customer requests a revision that the writer declines. Even revised projects don't ordinarily get reviewed as long as the writers complete the revisions and upload them to the system.

That's true even from my experience. I had previously worked for a platform where the company reviewed maybe just three out of around 40 works I finished at that time. It seemed also that because they were satisfied with the first review, they no longer found the need to constantly be on my back to "track" my performance in the long-run.

If a student is happy to be one of those worst case scenarios, he doesn't deserve to be in school! Either way, the student will fail. So why should a student be happy to receive a lousy paper or not receive a paper? This discussion doesn't make any sense. The OP must have been drowsy or something when he wrote this post. Regardless of which scenario a student finds himself in, he just lost a ton of money without a chance of getting a full refund. Who would be happy in that case? I know I would not be happy, I would want to sue someone if that happened to me.