Sites on DND (Do Not Discuss) list

For the record, are the sites listed on the DND list sites that should generally be avoided? I've done a fair amount of research and think I've identified at least 2 (maybe 3) companies out there (although one has 18 different websites) that are legitimate, so just wanted to check if the general consensus here is that companies that ask not to be spoken about are more likely than not, fraudulent? Any thoughts would be much appreciated...

As of today (March 22, 2012), there is not a single, legitimate site on the DND.

If a site is legitimate you have to ask why they would not want to be discussed. Best left alone in my opinion.

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DND List makes Zero Sense?

this is supposed to be a legitimate forum for outing scams in the essay industry.

how can people out scams when they can't name names?

On the contrary, I think that the DnD list makes outing scams easy. If a company is on the list, it at least means that the company has had enough issues with clients and/or writers on this board for them to not want clients/writers to share their experiences. This should be enough for prospective clients to be wary of ordering from these companies. Of course, this does not mean that clients should immediately trust companies that are not on the list.

Customers can atleast be cautious while ordering from companies from these websites or they should not order at all.

The companies on the DND list are there for a good reason, and customers and writers would be well-advised to avoid them. There are more scammers in this business than honest people and by its very nature it attracts dishonest types.

From what I have noticed, it is always easier for shills to create fake profiles and pose as satisfied clients with aim of promoting certain websites but I haven't noticed competitors disparaging each other on a grand scale. In other words, most complaints come from genuine customers but the same cannot be said of positive accolades and this then means that DND-list companies are unable to handle complaints against them. There is no doubt that judging essays is quite subjective and hence making it easy for customers to just run out here and complain over nonstarter issues. However, the question for the companies on the DND is why there are many others in the market who are ready to be publicly interrogated. In fact, it is at this point that I side with my previous Ukrainian employers even though I did not agree with their operations which is why I left them anyway. Contrary to some impressions created about them, most of their associated companies/wesbites (I don't exactly know them but I know they are not on the DND) actually handle customer complaints conclusively. They may give refunds or provide the revisions needed. On the other hand some of the 'legit' companies hide behind legal matters such "this is only a model paper", "it is illegal to submit it as your own" to avoid giving refunds or providing ammendments. So yes, companies on DND most likely have something to hide.

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I think you're overestimating potential customers' intelligence and patience, EW. I would wager most of them don't know the DND list exists.

client poster: "hey, I'm thinking about ordering from (*DND)..." (post deleted)
ex writer: "don't do it, (*DND) is a scam!" (post deleted)

how does this help anyone?

Perhaps, that's why I think it's part of our social responsibility to make sure they know that such a list does exist. ^_^

May be having a disclaimer would be helpful so that any netizen coming here is forewarned on essayscam's limited reach. The challenge will be on how to make it conspicuous enough to be noticed.

That's easy.

Hypothetical Question about a company from the DND list. Are they dodgy?

Okay, so I didn't read the rules properly before posting before. But now my question and any answers have been removed.

But it is annoying that I can't read any of the responses.

So here is a question about a hypothetical company that may or may not exist.

I had success on a £25 pound order for three dissertation titles which impressed me with the level of detail and information I got for the £25. They have a UK postcode and proper contact details plus registration and VAT numbers. Is this enough to prove that they are a legitimate company and I will get value for money as I am considering spending a lot more in the near future?

If this post still goes against terms and conditions I am sorry, please delete it and I won't ever come on this site again. I'm not sure I can even be bothered with all this drama anyway. It does seem strange however that a legit company wouldn't want my custom, because in not being able to get any responses it makes me even more unlikely to spend a lot of money on them. The fact that they don't want to be talked about makes them more dodgy in my eyes, not less. A legit company would welcome people talking about them in a positive manner.

I don't know anything about any companies, named or un-named, for whom I've never written and I no longer discuss any companies here that I do know something about. But once you actually receive a good essay from any company, chances are they are (presently) legit. The quality of future work at any company usually depends on which writer takes your order. If you want to play it really safe, just order a section at a time and, in general, once you find a specific writer whose work you like at any company, make it explicitly clear in future orders that you will only accept work from that writer and that you want a refund if that writer is unavailable and that you will dispute the charge with your cc company if you get a different writer without your specific approval in advance. Of course, if that particular writer declines the future work, you'll just get a refund instead of an essay written by someone else, but that's about the safest way you can play it if you have any concerns.

No, absolutely not. A fraudster can easily acquire ALL of those credentials-in a matter of days-while sitting on his/her couch in his apartment in Ukraine. All he/she needs is a few bucks, a UK bank account (that's easy to arrange online), and a physical business address in the UK (which he can secure through any number of "remote mailbox" services that are available online).

Do not discuss list

I came here wanting to issue a 'beware' warning to writers about a certain essay writing website only to discover that this company is on the 'do not discuss list'. Seriously??

Isn't the purpose of this website to freely discuss essay scams? There shouldn't be a 'do not discuss list'. If I had been able to get quality, reliable information in the first place, maybe I wouldn't have wasted my time and I wouldn't have had such a dodgy experience.

Where can I post a warning about this website to save other writers from the same experience? I'm a genuine person who sincerely just wants to give others a heads up (you know because I should as hell would have liked to have had one) and help them avoid going down the track as me. I'm not a troll. I'm not interested in spreading lies. I actually have better things to do than search around online for a place to air my case. I just want to share what happened to me and allow people to make up their own minds. In case, you hadn't guessed, my experience really sucked.

So, what is the point of this website, if it does not accept honest, uncensored feedback? And why are the FAQs sucking up to the essay companies? Is this site a front for essay websites?

If you visit essayscam.org/do-not-discuss-essay-list.php, on the bottom of the page you'll find this text:

"Please note, however, that being on the list does not guarantee that your websites will not be discussed at all or that moderators will be required to edit or remove posts related to your name or business."

It means that you still can discuss any websites you want here. The DND list is just a "warning system" for forum members informing them that the companies that added their websites to the list do not wish to be discussed here and that posters who still decide to discuss them here may be subject to legal threats by these companies. The reason? Who knows - some of them don't have time to monitor this forum or don't like the outspoken members, others don't like the number of complaints or praises. You can always ask the company you're interested in about why they don't wish to be discussed on the Internet.

When a site is listed on the DND section of the EssayScam, it is because that company has received numerous complaints over time that were posted at this forum. The negative postings have directly affected the amount of students using the services of the company as shown by their diminishing sign ups for the service. The representatives of these companies contact us at ES in order to request that their company no longer discussed in an effort to control the snowball effect of negative publicity on their business. Placing one order with this company is dangerous enough. Placing 8 orders means that you are asking for trouble and willing to take the risk of dealing with them. Which is not something that I would recommend you do since they do appear on the DND list. There are other companies available for your reference here. Just be conscious and stay away from the companies that show up on the DND list. ES is trying to save you from heartache and grade problems. Heed the indirect advice that comes from seeing a company in that listing. Don't bother trying out their service. It will be more problems that it is worth.

On what grounds was the DND list created? I mean, sure any disgruntled student can claim a company is a scam. A number of students who don't understand what their homework is about can claim that the writers of these companies are unreliable and don't deliver. They can claim so many things on this forum to the detriment of the company but not be able to really back up their claims. Unless factual documentation of the accusations can be attached to their posts, a screenshot will be acceptable enough, I really cannot say that I will take the DND list as a sacred truth.

At one point in time, we have all experienced the disgruntled student and the student unwilling to pay so they file unwarranted chargeback claims with their card companies. There are students who shoot their mouths off with their peers or at this forum just because they had a misunderstanding with the assigned writer. These are just reasons for the companies on the DND list to request for their non-inclusion in forum discussions. In my opinion, everything we know about these companies that counts as a negative need to be taken with a grain of salt. There are always two sides to every story and of those sides just may justify the DND request of the company or companies.

Actually, almost all sites (with a couple of exceptions) listed on the DND had real students complain about their services. It's fairly easy to spot bogus reviews. I'd say that about 80%-90% of the DND listings are owned by 2-3 offshore companies which have created dozens of sites to attract one-time customers.

Demanding that someone not discuss one's website is grounds for immediate concern. Even the best and most reputable companies (in all industries) have complaints from time to time. It is how a company handles complaints that defines their character and whether one should considering doing business with them. This "don't mention my name or I will sue you" mess is just that... MESS! You don't threatened legal action against someone who "might" mention your name unless you are scared they have something seriously legit to complain about.

The DND list should be the best friend of the students looking for reputable writing companies. Yet most of them fail to use that very hand listing of the worst academic writing companies out there. If they would just download that list to their computers or phones, they would not have to keep asking us the same questions over and over again at this forum. Based on what I have seen of the list, these are the well known, problematic companies that are often complained about both publicly and privately by students. I believe it is a reliable list that should be the go-to thread for 90% of the students at this forum.

If one does a comparison of the DND list with the remaining academic writing companies, one will be able to deduce for himself which ones were actulaly scams, and which ones were just dealt a bad review by students for their bad start as a company. Those that managed to redeem themselves are managing to stay in the business somehow. They continue to provide a useful service to students who are looking for human writers. I believe that the time has come for the mods of this forum to actually update their DND list because a majority of those have already gone out of business.