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Where do you start when looking for a law school grade paper?


heynanners  1 | 1  
Nov 25, 2010 | #1
No recommendations please.

I want to hear from a graduate student, preferably a law school student, who has successfully found a service or writer who got the job done.

What steps did you take to find the right person? How did you ensure you were getting a custom paper? Is it appropriate to ask to see updates of research and rough draft as paper is written to ensure authenticity and to ensure the paper is going in the direction you want it to? How do you ensure the paper is not recycled afterwards?

Thanks...if you have any pointers other than the specifics I asked about please feel free to advise
FreelanceWriter  6 | 3089   ☆☆☆   Freelance Writer
Nov 25, 2010 | #2
I'm not a student but I do have a law degree.

What steps did you take to find the right person?

The only thing you can really do is try a company or freelance writer based on referrals and then start with a short paper and a deadline with a cushion on your end in case of the worst case scenario.

How did you ensure you were getting a custom paper?

All you can do is use Google and any plagiarism detection services to which you may have access.

Is it appropriate to ask to see updates of research and rough draft as paper is written?

No. Those of us who write for a living really hate when clients email us days or weeks before a paper is due to ask "how's it coming" as though we spend weeks on every paper the way students sometimes have to. Unless it's a particularly complicated paper or close to 20 pages, we write them the same day they're due or maybe the day before. We don't write "rough drafts" and we write almost all of our papers in a single sitting (or maybe several sittings in the same day). It's up to you to give us the specs and there should be enough communication beforehand to ensure that your writer knows what you need. I hate when I have to respond to emails asking me how a paper is "coming along" a week before it's due when I'm still about 30 essays away from even looking at their material.

How do you ensure the paper is not recycled afterwards?

Once you find someone you can trust enough to pre-pay for work you can probably also trust his word that your paper won't be recycled. I don't know that there's even any market for recycled papers now that anti-plagiarism scanners are widely used. On the other hand, I can't imagine why you'd care unless you mean recycled so soon that it makes into an anti-plagiarism database before your original does. Another thing that's slightly annoying is when the same clients who ask for several "samples" before they hire you are the ones who also ask for reassurance that you'll never send out their papers as "samples" in the future. Where do you think we get the "samples" that you requested before hiring us? I comply with those requests when I get them but it always crosses my mind when someone demands samples and reassurance that their papers won't ever be used as a sample.
WRT  16 | 1656 ☆☆   Company Representative
Nov 25, 2010 | #3
FW - very belatd Happy Thanksgiving
FreelanceWriter  6 | 3089   ☆☆☆   Freelance Writer
Nov 25, 2010 | #4
Thanks, I appreciate the sentiment, but I'm totally oblivious to all holidays and social rituals of any kind. Just a Thursday with football as far as I'm concerned and usually another work day like any other day. To me, there are 365 days in the year and they're all the same except for the weather and what's on TV.
WRT  16 | 1656 ☆☆   Company Representative
Nov 26, 2010 | #5
Unfortunately, FW, in our line of work, I totally understand what you are saying :(
FreelanceWriter  6 | 3089   ☆☆☆   Freelance Writer
Nov 26, 2010 | #6
Actually, in my case, it's the other way around: I've always felt that way about holidays long before I started doing this for a living, which makes this line of work ideal for me.
WRT  16 | 1656 ☆☆   Company Representative
Nov 26, 2010 | #7
which makes this line of work ideal for me.

And you are excellent at what you do :)
Law Student  - | 1  
Dec 07, 2010 | #8
Freelancewriter, I could really use some help being pointed in the right direction for someone with a law degree who can write about constitutional law for 8 pages max with no cites required. Sorry. I tried to send you a PM but I'm a new member.
AmonsEssays  2 | 190  
Dec 08, 2010 | #9
School of LawFreelanceWriter: I do disagree somewhat.

If I have a paper due over time, I might give the customer a draft early on so they know I'm working on it.

But otherwise, it is true that it is bad etiquette to pester your writer.

If you are concerned about it, OP, TELL the writer AT THE TIME OF NEGOTIATION that you want a draft at X time or a check-up at Y point in the project.

Otherwise, you are breaking the implicit contract you have signed with them by contacting them.

As for samples we send out, Freelance: I send out samples of my own work, little stories and essays I've done for fun or other things. I NEVER send out another clients' work. I do agree, though, that prospective clients need to understand that we've done all we can. I write all I can in my website just so they know I can write.
FreelanceWriter  6 | 3089   ☆☆☆   Freelance Writer
Dec 09, 2010 | #10
If I have a paper due over time, I might give the customer a draft early on so they know I'm working on it.

That's a perfect plan if you still actually need to write "drafts"; I don't. I think about it a bit and/or do the necessary research, and then I just sit down and write the essay, spellcheck it, proofread it, and send it off. I've been doing this long enough and I'm good enough at it after thousands of essays that I don't need to write multiple "drafts" or "outlines" either. Never had anybody complain that my work was too "rough"; usually, the responses I get are more along the lines of "wow, I can't believe you can do this so fast." Seven years ago when I was new at this, I used to write drafts, print out final versions, and even wait a few hours before proofing them in hard-copy format. That was about 3,000 essays ago.

I send out samples of my own work, little stories and essays I've done for fun or other things.

In my experience, prospective clients want academic samples in a similar style and on a similar topic to the work they need from me; they're not interested in my recreational writing. In any case, I'd never send anything more recent than about six months old. Why would anybody care about an essay that's already served its purpose and likely been scanned already by anti-plagiarism programs? If a client asks me not to, it goes into a different folder; otherwise, it may be used as a sample long after they've completed whatever course they wanted it for.
AmonsEssays  2 | 190  
Dec 09, 2010 | #11
That was about 3,000 essays ago.

I don't either, I tend to do everything in one go or maybe two and certainly don't have discrete drafting. But, as Isaac Asimov famously argued, everyone's different here. Shakespeare proclaimed that he never had to blot a word. Oscar Wilde, meanwhile, was satisfied with his day's work being adding, then removing, a semicolon.

Certainly, if the customer would like to see an initial draft before they commit to a particular thesis, interpretation or direction, that's not an unreasonable request, given ample time. But that needs to be disclosed at the time.

I personally adopt a policy of unlimited, free editing up until the due date. After that, well...

In my experience, prospective clients want academic samples in a similar style and on a similar topic to the work they need from me; they're not interested in my recreational writing. In any case, I'd never send anything more recent than about six months old.

Yeah, it becomes very difficult when someone wants a paper that is not only a writing sample but also recent, within their field, etc. Where do they EXPECT one to get that? I personally have a few writing samples that were never turned into a plagiarism database and are kept private, but there's no way I can have every possible permutation of subject matter on hand. This is why I really prefer clients to talk to me at least three days before a project is due. It's also why, if a client is seeking out help a day or (Heaven forbid) an hour before a project is due, they have to follow the rule, "Caveat emptor". Sorry, but you just cannot reasonably expect a guarantee of fast, confidential, skillful work that matches your prompt and writing style precisely. Pick three or four of those objectives, not five.
kitty_kitty  - | 1   Student
Jun 08, 2013 | #12
Anyone interested in writing a master level law school paper?

I am currently looking for a professional writer to write 4 first class law school papers. Please contact me if you are interested.
wolverine2013  - | 8   Freelance Writer
Jun 08, 2013 | #13
Hello Kitty,
I can help you complete your assignment.Email me.
FreelanceWriter  6 | 3089   ☆☆☆   Freelance Writer
Jun 08, 2013 | #14
You should probably put your request on essaychat and include an email address for writers to contact you instead of doing it here where writers would have to break the forum rules by offering to write for you.
CharlotteAcademic  4 | 13  FEATURED   Freelance Writer
Apr 18, 2019 | #15
Before I was a freelance professional writer, I was a graduate student, although not a law student. Toward the end of my first year, I found myself in a personal situation that required more of my time than I could spare from my studies. I decided to seek help from an academic writing service.

The first service I tried (I won't name names) was pretty rough. The language was riddled with errors, the content was vapid, and I received no support from their "customer support."

The second time I tried, I was a lot more savvy from the beginning. I engaged in some back and forth conversation so I could see how the person wrote, how his/her English was, all that sort of thing. When I was satisfied that their customer service person was a native English speaker, I decided it was worth a try.

I then asked for a trial page or two. I couldn't get one for free, but I could purchase a couple of pages so I could see the quality before committing to a much longer paper. That helped me in many ways. I was able to test for plagiarism, I was able to check for errors in language or content, and I could see if the company was able to meet its deadlines.

I didn't ask for a draft of the rest, in part because that deadline was quite tight. Because the writer did such a good job, I never felt the need to ask for a draft again. Having said that, I think it's reasonable to ask for a draft, although now that I am on the other side of the table, so to speak, I don't really work in a drafts system, so I don't offer this service as a rule of thumb. Rather, I invite my clients to provide me with an outline or other sort of list of necessary sections in the paper; that way, they can be sure I will write the paper the way they want me to.

I solved the problem of potentially recycled papers by working with a higher end service. The per page rate is higher than most places, but the odds are much better that your writer will be a native English speaker, that s/he will be a highly skilled professional, and that everything is custom written for you, and only for you.

I hope this helps!
FreelanceWriter  6 | 3089   ☆☆☆   Freelance Writer
Apr 20, 2019 | #16
If a client needs to submit both a draft and a final version later, I always suggest to them that they just order the final version from me in time for them to take my final version and create their own "draft" for the first deadline and then hang on to my version for their final deadline. That's a lot cheaper than paying me to write a draft first and then go back to it again later to change that into a final version. I won't refuse to provide a draft first, but that's going to be more expensive, simply because it takes more of my time, mainly because for any project shorter than about 10 pages, it means I'll have to spend a second day writing it instead of simply writing it on whatever day I have it scheduled to be written.

On the topic of outlines from clients, they're only helpful if the client knows what he's doing. Otherwise, they can be a pain because if they're bad, they're still part of the original specs, meaning that I have to contact the client for permission to deviate from it and just do the project the right way by myself. So, if the outline is also supposed to be submitted in advance for approval, the smartest thing to do is simply order that from your writer as part of the project. Generally, you can order whatever you want in that regard. The only thing you can't do is what one of my new clients did about a week ago: namely, she ordered a 5-pg project about 3 weeks earlier and then emailed me about 10 days before it was due asking to have a "look" at the essay and asking for an outline in a couple of days, including a thesis and sentences indicating what each paragraph of the essay was about. Sensing that she was going to be a problem client who was going to be wasting my time with endless emails for the next 10 days, I just banged out the whole project the next day and sent it early to be done with it (and, possibly, her), entirely, ASAP. The last thing I need this time of year is problem clients who don't realize, just from a common-sense perspective, that you can't have a "look" at a project not even due for another 10 days (or an outline for it in a couple of days) because I have a dozen or two dozen other projects to do before I even get to a 5-page freshman English paper due in 10 days and because no "outline" was ever ordered and won't be provided unless the client elects to pay for that.

A few days later, I get an urgent email from her. Instead of paying me for the outline that I offered to do, she decided to ignore my advice against trying to do it herself if I was writing the paper. She submitted an "outline" in which she indicated that her "thesis" was going to be the first sentence of the project I provided, which basically just said that the book was a classic literary work, and she submitted similarly superficial sentences from each paragraph. Naturally, the outline got trashed by the professor and the client demanded a "complete rewrite" of the whole essay (that I delivered more than a week early and about a page longer than ordered) because the professor didn't like "my" outline of the essay that still wasn't even due for more than a week and hadn't even been submitted. I told the client to call me by phone because I just don't have the time right now to explain by email how this whole process does and definitely does NOT work and indicated that I wouldn't be responding to further emails from her unless we had that phone conversation first. I even took a valium right afterwards because I expected her to call and I really didn't want my extreme annoyance to come across on the phone and for her to think that I was being "mean" to her by explaining something that I know should really be quite obvious at the most basic level, even for someone who has never used this kind of service before. She never called and I never heard from her again.

(I'm intentionally leaving out some other details that made this situation even more ridiculous and annoying because of what else I did do to help this client out because I don't want to encourage this behavior on the part of other prospective clients or suggest that I'm ever going to do for anybody else what I actually did do for her.)
Richard Lawrence  - | 5   Student
Apr 25, 2019 | #17
When someone is in need of law school grade paper then he/she should trust only the professional. Read about the features of the service provider to excel and get good marks.
Study Review  - | 254  
Apr 30, 2019 | #18
I agree with the others here that finding a trustworthy agency to create legal essays is pivotal, especially when you are working with subjects that require specializations. Always do your research. Never settle for the lowest prices - most especially if you would end up revising it on your own.
writer4life  3 | 297  FEATURED   Freelance Writer
May 02, 2019 | #19
Never settle for the lowest prices

Perfectly stated. As they say, you get what you pay for. This is even more true with academic writing. You'll find the plethora of "writers" who will offer dirt cheap per page rates and dirt is what you'll likely get in return.

With law/legal papers, you have to be even more careful. However, I do want to add that an academic writer doesn't have to have a law degree to be an excellent legal writer. What you want is a writer who is detail-oriented, follows instructions to a T, and whose writing background spans several years of work. Now, having said that, verifying those credentials isn't always possible. When my clients ask about samples, I generally cannot provide them because that would breach my other clients' privacy. Still, you can get an idea for the type of writer (or company) you are considering by how well they communicate in writing.

If you are concerned about a specific issue with legal writing, ask questions. If your project requires a legal citation format as opposed to APA, etc., be sure to ask if the writer has experience. No experience is not a game changer (you can always send guides for your required format), but experience is definitely a positive. And, if you aren't comfortable and have some time, start with a few pages to see how they do (quality, instructions, formatting, etc.) before committing to the full order.

I have completed several legal papers, but one of my degrees is criminology (not law). Still, I did have to take some legal courses as part of my criminology program. That is bonus for me. It's not the same for all writers, so again, ask questions and start small if needed. :)
Study Review  - | 254  
May 31, 2019 | #20
No experience is not a game changer, but experience is definitely a positive.

Experience in legal writing is so critical for the quality of the paper. Even when you send in guidelines to an experienced writer, there's always a little bit more friction if it would be the writer's first time to handle such a complex field. Assuming that a student has the finances to fund the paper and definitively takes his grades seriously, paying that little bit of extra to have assured high-quality output would be beneficial for him in the long-run. There's no cheapening out when it comes to handling such an extensive degree.
Cite  2 | 1853 ☆☆☆  
Feb 27, 2020 | #21
I always say, if you don't want to immediately source out your paper, then look internally for a writer first. In this case, a law school grade paper will best be written by an upperclassman from the same university as the person looking for a writer. Students in college are always looking for ways to augment their income. Some of them actually do the academic writing gig on the sly. I once worked with such a writer. He was a law student who was getting an education through scholarships. Since he did not have time to do an actual part time job, I encouraged him to do the writing gig. Not only did he churn out A grade papers, he also managed to augment his scholarship allowance with his side job. I was very happy to have helped him get his start. Students got problem free papers, I sometimes got commissions for my referrals, and, I was able to help a person who needed it. That's why I always encourage students to look within the community first. It is usually hassle free to hire a writer you have physical access to and, you get to help someone in the process.




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