So its a waste of time to expose a writer as a fraud hey? Muntazir CLAIMED to have had GOOD feedback and told people to CHECK IT OUT, so I did AND then I posted the feedback. How is that a waste of time?

Strange how a new member defends an existing one without any experience of having viewed the writing done by this member!

you mean like this one lol

yazza 00782 2008-04-24 10:01:52 10.0
Writing Standard (1): No Additional Comments
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Overall (1): Guy is a total fake..waits till after deadline to even look at project and then decides he wont do it...

an essay on entrepreneurship lol

or maybe this one

Hayden 00713 2008-03-27 14:29:59 20.6
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Overall (1): esl writer - writes like a high schooler - beware.

an essay on jurisprudence.

yep totally satisfied customers (not) lol

the last few essays you have done have all had crap ratings...explain lol

which is the entire point of my experiment ie to SECURE evidence that it is not only companies outside of the US and UK that employ ESL writers and that will assign work to ESL wroiters for US or UK customers.


Well hopefully my research will back up yours and then you get to [assert with even GREATER authority, however, if the contrary is proven then I await your stance on this issue.

quote=WritersBeware]don't blame me, Lavinia, or anyone else for justly pointing out to the public the true location of fraudulent operations. [/quote]

No one is blaming anyone for anything. I do think its is rather tiresome putting the location of these sites after every post saying its a scam. That is why it comes across that you are biased. Surely all anyone needs to know is that the site scams people ...end of! Unless people ACTUALLY state that the reason for picking that company was because of the location ie they thought it was in US or UK then there is surely no need to keep re-iterating the location. It becomes tedious to read and makes you appear as though you have a serious hang up with ukranians.

this site is about exposing scam sites. I am not, as you suggest, starting a campaign against essay writing sites because they are CAPABLE of scamming customers, I am aiming to prove that the location of the essay writing company does not determine whether they are a scam or not. I suggested that ALL such companies are CAPABLE of scamming the customers and IF i can persuade one of these so called REPUTABLE US or UK companies to employ me when I state I am an ESL writer and they let me write for UK or US students then they are guilty of the crime you are always going on about in respect of those companies NOT located in the UK or US.

As you pointed out it would be impossible to cover ALL sites, sorry I missed yours out I'll try harder next time lol

I am still applying to other sites just for a wider range of samples and once the results are in I will disclose all the ones I applied to and the results of the applications. This will obviously not give a definitive response as the results are limited by the samples chosen.

I realised that after having decided to carry out this experiment. It was a rash decision based on having all attacks on non american or non english writing sites being reduced down to the facts that MOST of these scam sites are purportedly from the UKRAINE and ONLY employ ESL writers ergo their writing is substandard. (WB before you get your heckles up this is not a direct quote from anyone it is my reading of the posts on here that are constantly attacking non american sites or non UK sites).

I was hoping to prove that ALL sites will employ ESL writers and that american and UK sites are CAPABLE of scamming the customers by telling them that their writer will be from US or UK and in fact the writer COULD be an ESL writer.

I intend to post all the communications once I have successfully gained employment. there is no point in posting the replies requesting the details of my qualifications and my writing samples unless they go on to offer me work. If they do take me on as a writer I will be sure to let you know likewise if my applications are unsuccessful. After all I have nothing to gain from this in either way as I do not intend writing for any of them now or in the future, but it is an interesting experiment nevertheless.

I did post the names of three I have applied to but I am applying to several others to make the test more evenly balanced.

So far I have applied to *********, ukessays, masterpapers (I known they are not based in America but the hypothesis I am testing is the kind of essays they would allow me to write and the otigins of the customers I can write for) essaybuy, and oxbridge.

replies so far have been from ********* and not unsurprisingly masterpapers (who will take anyone.)

Oxbridge sent an automated response saying they are considering my application.

In a word YES


I have had a reply back asking for a sample of my work and a list of my qualifications for my applications where I posed as an American writer and as an ESL writer, nothing yet on my application as an English writer.

I suggested that there might be an hidden agenda I did NOT suggest you OWN the site and I NEVER specifically said you write for them YOU are the one that has AVERRED this in your post.


No I stated that I was testing this hypothesis by applying to SEVERAL companies to see if they would employ me I did NOT say that ALL companies will employ ESL however you do seem to be worried that I might be able to prove this point.


Yet again a misquote. That was not me that suggested that essayscam owns ET that was Solid.


No one is saying that you are LYING about your reason for posting we were saying that it was (a) inconsistent with previous posts were you ALWAYS put RECOMMENDATIONS ARE NOT ALLOWED READ THE TOS. (b) was an indirect recommendation in that you felt it necessary to point out that Mreng6 was on the verge of an apology.

what is supposed to be wrong with my post? I have provided evidence of when others have made accusations agaianst companies and then retracted.


oohI am sooooo scared lol I have challenged WB ... provided evidence... made no false allegations and so am supposed to be worried about being banned... what for speaking the truth damn were did freedom of speech go. lol

actually all theusstudent said in the thread was

i was thinking of using ****** but am not sure now having read the thread on here.

of course we cannot quote theusstudent direct because the thread has been removed but I remember the content because i responded to this too by quoting this on the thread to show that there was an indirect endorsement which was just before the whole thread was removed.


actually that is not true... many people post on here when they believe they are getting ripped off ie writers when they haven't been paid or students still waiting for an essay and then sime retract their comments if the money is paid or the work materialises. there are loads of examples of this on here if you want evidence. i have included 2 for now were retractions were made.

https://essayscam.org/forum/wc/researcheden-site-suspended-506/
https://essayscam.org/forum/wc/freelance-writers-beware-academicessays-absoluteessays-342/

this site is designed to forewarn writers and customers of potential scams and so obviously many are going to post before the companies have a chance to correct the error or make payments.

BTW mreng6 is waiting for his essay BEFORE he apologises and then if its rubbish I dont expect he will apologise, so at present his accusation still stands but his thread has not been removed for being POTENTIALLY inaccurate, whereas your indirect endorsement of ****** has been removed and solid's analysis of your comments WAS accurate. More than a little inconsistency here!

You dont suppose its because I was trying to expose ****** for employing ESL writers do you Solid?

It is kind of strange that certain sites can receive endorsements whilst others are ripped to shreds. Is there a linke here?

WB demands that MY posts are removed and the whole thread goes what happened to freedom of speech? There were no obscenities or slagging off of anyone and the thread is deleted. I wonder if the moderator is close friends of ****** or one of the posters on here!

hoping for a reply soon have emailed ****** for a job under 3 identities claiming to be from three different locations. told them on one application that although i am from the ukraine i have written for several us students before with another company and had excellent feedback. If I get the job I will specifically see if they will let me write for a US student even though they know I am not in the US. That will blow your theory out the water that US companies will only get US writers for US students.

just about to do the same with a UK company. Research is so much fun lol

WB why is it so important for you to re-iterate the location of these scam sites. all sites that do not give the student the paper they are paying for or the quality they expect are scams regardless of where they are located.

i notice that you never make comments such as essaybay is a scam site from the UK or ****** is a scam site from the US. Surely if these or any other sites provide substandard work or fail to deliver at all then they are scam sites regardless of where they are from.

you are always commenting on how these ukranian sites are claiming to employ american writers only to attract US students and instead only use ESL writers. This is untrue as I applied to join academia research to see whether they were bothered about the nationality of their writers. I firstly posed as a US writer and they accepted me, then I applied using a different name as a UK writer which is my true location and was accepted, then I also pretended to be ukranian under a different name and was also accepted. So officially I could be working for them under several different names and locations.

I am now thinking of applying to some US companies in the same way and will report back with the results. will be interesing if they also let me sign up with three different locations wouldn't it?

Don't be cruel Solid Muntazir is proud of his title he worked hard to get it (not)


No I heven't seen you bid there anymore but that was not the point I was making. on the 20th April you stated on here that you are crap at law so why on earth on that same day did you bid on 2 law essays

I don't need to chill I was just using this site for what it is designed for to warn others about writers that aren't cut out to be writers. I cannot help it that the category suits you to a tea lol If you cant stand the heat then stay out of the kitchen. stop pretending you are good at writing when obviously you are not.

Vishkanya stated on here that the business essay you wrote was crap and thats supposed to be your speciality ...heaven help your clients lol

the date of your bid (according to essaybay site itself) was the 20th April- the same day you acknowledged on here that law is not really your kind of thing. So on the one hand you acknowledge you are crap at law essays and then go onto essaybay and bid on 2 that sounds ethical (not).

Having a bad day is no excuse, is that what you expect you clients to tell their universities if they decide to submit your drivel without changing it. As for the positive feedback I don't think a customer by the name of Hayden will agree he says ...and I quote 'esl writer - writes like a high schooler - beware. '

Guess he was not satisfied with his essay on jurisprudence 14 out of 70 he gave you, that essay must have really sucked lol

I notice muntazir has stopped taking law essays on essaybay, either that or they have sacked him lol

hope the last two he did made the grade! lol

This has nothing to do with my sense of obscene this has to do with the statutory requirement laid down by legislation that determines which material shall be deemed to be obscene and which material will not. I did not write the law I just help to uphold it ...end of!

No I was stating the ONLY places were the complaint would be listened to in the UK. You CANNOT submit a complaint unless you can prove what you assert to be TRUE is true and the assertions you were making just were not true as they did not show what you claim that they showed. (as I proved from my connections with my line of work)

You insinuated that the pictures were obscene (and they weren't) and that you would report the site for the publication of obscene images (the site I mentioned in my original posting deals with obscenity on the internet, not solely for the UK but worldwide and would not be in the slightest bit interested in a picture of a man in the bath) There is no one else that could do anything about those pictures that would give you the time of day so get over it- you are not able to fix all the wrongs in the world so give up trying!

If the posts you are referring to are in relation to the location of the fraudulent sites then I have no intention of disputing this as I can neither prove nor disprove your assertions. If however you are claiming all your posts to be TRUE I think we can both think of at least one post that wasn't TRUE - need I say more.

struggling with finance!! that's why i picked the name cos this phd is costing me an arm and a leg

whats wrong with my name? lol

I love writing law papers ...but then I am kind of sad like that lol

I am not studying law at the moment. I have already graduated in LLB and got an MA and am doing a phd in law (which I do not need help for, nor did I need help when I did my first 2 degrees)

Hey just had a thought - if I do another degree I could rename my self on here lol

Could call myself the 3degrees - wait no that was a group of singers wasn't it lol

It was my pleasure. The whole essay is absolutely full of stuff like that. I was almost tempted to post the whole thing lol

Vish that's not fair to 4 year olds lol

Post us a sample lol

ok I couldn't resist the temptations. Here is a couple of lines from Munt in answer to a problem question on criminal law

Phil had intentions of murdering Anne-Marie and he stabs her with a wooden stake. He assumed that Anne was dead and in this case he was responsible for creating a dangerous situation for the woman. This is Phil's Actus Reus because it was his duty to not let her die since he was responsible for putting her in this dangerous situation. ....She was in danger and could have died.

oh and by the way in the problem question Anne was killed lol

oh I have just found another section that you really have to read lol

Phil committed the most wanton murder because it against the morals of the society, it was a cruel and lewd act and for no specific reason and it was malicious and there was no solid provocation for Phil for having done such a crime. Phil murdered Anne with a direct intention of killing her and also knowingly because he knew she's going to die.

And here is another classic - bearing in mind this essay is based on UK law you have to wonder why he put this in lol

Phil can defend himself with a mental disorder. According to Consolidation Act 1935 of South Australia a person who is not aware of the nature of the act has a mental disorder.

I really must learn to behave lol but I just could not resist the temptation to post some of his garbage since he insists on bidding on law essays lol

As you will notice I have been on the site today and he has bid and got 2 more law essays to write. 2 more unsatisfied customers on the way. Law is a specialist subject and you really have to know your stuff to be able to write a law essay, you cannot just guess at it.

The only way that a writer can write a piece which is totally off their usually sphere is if they get access to the materials the student has been using during their course.

I once helped a mate do a business essay when I was at uni and he got an excellent mark but only because he gave me all the notes he had taken and a list of books, journals and articles that were recommended.

In my opinion people like Muntazir are the reason for sites like this. students should avoid him like the plague lol

Oh And one more point. Here is a quote from Muntazir on Essaybay which I think I can prove is untrue

NOTE-: I WILL NEVER BID ON A PROJECT OUTSIDE MY EXPERTISE!!

He then admits on here that law is not is piece of cake and he now has 2 impending esays on law. Methinks someone is lying

what subject are you studying?
You ought to see the one that he sent my mate its sooooo funny lol


If law REALLY isn't your piece of cake WHY have you BID and GOT 2 such essays to do on Essaybay?

Do these POOR unsuspecting customers realise your faults?

if you want a real laugh i'll email you his law essay lol

I did know about the refund. I never said he was ripped off money wise. You did however waste your time and his and produced work that had he not been more astute and used as his own he would have failed, though he might have scored a couple of marks for comedy factor.


My aim is not to promote those who write well but to expose those that don't so i'll chose to ignore your request

but not law lol

The difference is not usually only $25 dollars though is it?

Look at the price difference per page charged by the companies. It is obvious that non american sites charge CONSIDERABLY less for their papers since they can pay their writers less

How can you be ABSOLUTELY certain that none of the people who work for these companies are not AMERICAN. These sites have been slated so much on here (and that is none of my concern either way) that NO American writer would ever dare admit they have written for this company for fear of been branded a criminal by WB.


Likewise if I were a writer (which I'm not) I would never write for anything other than UK students especially since my speciality is law and I would not have a clue about overseas legislation as well as writing styles etc.


Maybe that was not such a good choice but the point I was trying to make is that many people buy goods NOT manufactured in their own country because they are cheaper. Not that many people are bothered about supporting their countries own economy. In the same way students are not necessarily concerned with where the paper is written so long as its well written AND inexpensive.

And where is your proof of that?


This was a hypothetical question. I was not assuming that it was possible to produce such work all the time and I did say that both the american and non american producing 1st class work all the time.


You have often said in other posts about the EXTREMELY low price charged by some sites. I emphasised the difference to demonstrate that people would go for cheaper rather than support their own economy.


Neither lol as it would probably be a forgery (tongue-in-cheek).

1. If the companies that purport to be from America (but are based elsewhere) provided first class essays every single time would any of the students on here still not buy from them just because they are not based in America or their own native country?

My question (as understood by Corvus) presumes that both the American and non American site both produce 1st class essays. Corvus correctly interprets the question and as you will see says he would stay with his native country. (how did that skew the question in my favour?)

These maybe german cars but where are they made

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6505987.stm

oh yes india!


and they are built where?

folkpark.com/childrens_corner/Emigrant_Stories/Henry_Ford/

Northern Ireland since the UK site at Dagenham closed


and manufactured in

carpages.co.uk/toyota/toyota_50_million_pound_investment_in_uk_op eration_27_05_04.asp

UK!!

the point I was making is that the cars may have been originally built and made in one country but due to demand and labour costs finding a car that was originally built in one country STILL being built in that country only is not going to happen.


A lot of lawyers are accomplished writers. Go to any solicitors website and you will see a list of articles they have written, so they are supposed to be well versed in the use of language, but some are clearly less articulate.

In law schools in the UK barristers and lawyers gives classes to students. At BPP in London the director of the company is a qualified barrister as well as an accomplished writer who has written several books, bit his lecture handouts that a friend of mine was given (written by the man himself) was so full of grammatical mistakes it looked like it had been written by someone with dyslexia.


They are complaining about the writer NOT the location. They wanted an AMERICAN writer (your words) and got an ESL one instead. If the essay was top class (as some posters on here have said about several sites) then no one would give a damn where the company was based.

I think a survey if the posters on here is called for to prove my point.

And here is a post designed to upset WB lol

news.trend.az/index.shtml?show=news&newsid=1162074&lang=EN

The Chevrolet was built manually by a design team of Ukraine's ZAZ automotive factory in Zaporizhia ,

and this one too lol

english.pravda.ru/business/companies/04-12-2007/102196-ford_cars_ china-0

How do you work out I am making excuses?? I am merely stating a fact that people generally go for cheap rather than quality and if cheap means outsourcing then MOST people will not care about outsourcing in order to save money. I did point out IF YOU CARE TO READ, that you get what you pay for. If you pay peanuts you get monkeys - simple!!

Lavinia

Above is the quote from WB which implies that thousands of consumers wish to keep their money on American soil, if that were the case wouldn't they ensure that they verify the details supplied by the company. WB has many,many times explained how to use whois and how this will reveal the true location of a site etc it is not rocket science for those SUPPOSEDLY so dedicated to only wishing to use American resources to utilise this in order to avoid outsourcing if they really are so against this.

In the UK there are only a minority of the population that would insist on buying British. All countries now are multicultural and Britain seems to be more averse to the admission of refugees into the country then most countries, thereby creating a situation where there is inadequate employment for British citizens as employers will take on a foreign employee in preference because they can pay them less money for the same work.

It is not only the essay writing industry that exploits the fact that foreign workers can be paid less. The danger in the academic sense is that for those who speak english as a second language the grammatical structure of their work can be inferior to that of a writer for whom english is a first language. By the same token I have seen statements written by native english police officers that would make you cringe. We actually have a hall of fame at the station for poorly written statements or memos from CPS and lawyers. The letters from lawyers often prove to be the most entertaining as it is impossible to believe that these are supposedly educated people when the mistakes are so glaringly obvious.

I think everyone on the forum has got the message of WB that it is wrong for a company to pretend to be located in one place when in actual fact they are located elsewhere and that it is also wrong for companies to state they only employ EFL writers when they clearly don't, however, I do not accept that the main reason students are annoyed at being deceived in this way is because they want to keep their money on native soil. The students who complain on here do not complain about having been conned into believing that this was a native company they complain about late delivery of work, standard of work, and the price charged.

If all these companies that claim to be American or based in UK produced excellent quality of work on every single occasion very few people would care whether the money they were paying was staying on native soil or was being outsourced. In the age of competitive pricing people do not stay loyal to their native country if doing so will cost them considerably more.

A prime example of this is in the automotive industry. It is virtually impossible to buy a car that is 100% British nowadays as so many of the car companies have been sold off to overseas companies. In fact one of the only true British cars remaining now is the Rolls Royce. If I were to insist on remaining loyal to the British car industry I would have to buy a Rolls and as I do not have that kind of money it looks like I would be walking.

Even with food it is often cheaper to buy imported goods rather than home produced items. The cost of living is such nowadays that many cannot afford the luxury of only buying goods produced in their own country.

Students are on limited budgets and are looking to pay as little as possible for assistance with their work which is why they are likely to get ripped off. The fact of life is that if you compromise on price you invariably compromise on quality. Sites mentioned on here will continue to thrive despite all of WB's protestations because the students either cannot afford to pay the higher prices of the better companies or are unwilling to pay the higher prices.

Lavinia

Obviously if a site purports to be from a particular location it is likely to attract students from that location, however, this is not necessarily because the student wants to support the American industry as WB suggests but more likely to be because the student would expect that writer to have knowledge of the American style of writing, referencing etc.

If I were looking for a writer (which I am not) I would specifically want a writer who is resident in the UK not to support the UK market but because my area of study is law and it would be imperative for my writer to be well versed in UK law.

[quote=Lavinia]In what industry is it acceptable for a business to lie to the consumer? Not creatively describe its products and services through marketing or advertising, but to make false claims about the qualifications of its employees?

My guess is that you will have a tough time coming up with an answer. I do not understand why you would find it acceptable for a business to lie to its consumers, in this or any other industry.

Lavinia I am not for one minute suggesting that it is right to lie to the customer. The point I was making is that from the posts I have read on here very few (if any) seem to be bothered about where the company is based. All they are concerned with is not getting ripped off with shoddy work or no work at all.

As I said before I don't actually work for any company so therefore have nothing to win or gain from defending either side. WB commented that Americans want to keep the work in the US, I was questioning were the evidence for this assertion is as there seems to be a distinct lack of people on here asking for genuine US or genuine UK sites to approach. Most just want to know companies who offer good value for money etc