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doh_j   
Nov 23, 2017

Hello. I am a PhD student working with a writing company . I paid for a 23,000 word lit review just about 6 months ago. They promised it in 20 days! Obviously I know a well written paper would not be completed in 20 days so I was very flexible when they consistently asked for extensions.

However, the writing was so bad from the start, they clearly did not use a native English speaking writer. For the last 5 months I worked with them and I set it up so they would send me work in sections (about 2000 at a time) where I edited and rewrote what they originally sent me. We only got up to 10,000 words.

It never reached PhD level well because my writing is not great (thus why I paid someone else). I continued editing the work, continually expressing dissatisfaction--but since I did not want ot deal with finding a new company I held out in hopes EVENTUALLY me and the writer would come up with an okay paper. (However, that I would later, need to try to bring up to PhD level).

PhD Student GraduationI finally realised this month that I cannot move forward and write my Discussion section without parts of my lit review being done. So I finally rushed my writers. THey assured me once again, they could finish that section (about 8000 or so words) in 4 days. I said if they can't I need to know--as I need it done. THey assured. On the 6th day, (late again) they sent me a draft , but an OLD draft of a previous section. I have no idea what the writer was working on.

So FINALLY, I asked for a refund. I wrote a whole thing about how dissatisfied I was. They offered me 2 solutions.

1) i get a 40-50% refund. (Not okay since they didn't even finish half the paper and most of it was my writing)

2) I get a full refund but they publish it.
I would be okay with this IF I didn't do most of the work. I acknowledge the writers put the original paragraphs together, and did research. BUT I edited and reedited and proofread for months till it was okay.

**I am concerned because I wrote the structure and planned exactly what should be in each section--and if they publish it--then I wont be able to use that structure --even if words are somewhat changed --AND I can't even re-use my OWN words.

I countered with 2 offers 1) asking for 80% back, or 2) 95% back with the offer to publish work the sent in the beginning that never followed my structure.

I am not sure what to do. I need at least 80% back, or I wont be able to afford a new company --as i now am in a predicament where I dont have time to write it myself and will need to pay another company.

What can I do to allow me to use some of the paper written and use ALL of the format without it coming up as being plagiarized? Can I get ahead of them??

Any advice will be appreciated.
doh_j   
Nov 23, 2017

Thank you for your feedback. I realise now how stupid I was for paying everything upfront. We shall see how the company wants to proceed. Do you think it would be a good idea to put it online before(if) they do?

BUT since it is not finished work--I would hate for my real name to be attached to it. But that seems to be the only way I can think of being able to use it even a bit again.
doh_j   
Nov 24, 2017

Let me clarify--- the 20 days Im pretty sure was the longest option available-as I know I was looking for the cheapest option (unless I misread the website and there was a much longer option) but I think that was it as I did do research on this company. It cost me more than 2000 dollars.(paid upfront) (due to a bad exchange rate--but still would have cost over 1500 USD if paid in USD.

As per my time line---It was for my Literature Review and therefore I did not really need it ASAP, as the lit review should be an ongoing piece of work. So, although, yes it would have been nice to get it in 20 days I was more realistic when it was not delivered on time. I certainly did not push hard as anytime that would happen, the writing was worse than normal OR they would repeat paragraphs etc...(it was a mess).

I was more interested in receiving a finished piece at an acceptable level --then it be completed so fast. But I didn't quite say that to the writers--I stilll said I would like it done ASAP, but with fine quality. I continued to work with the writer (s) to do this, and eventually accepted my position as the writer's editor and did what I had to do to make the writer's writing acceptable.

But I honestly can say the writing was sometimes not at a high school level. ( I also made my expectations very clear to writers and support staff through specific requests on their writing and provided documents explaining the type of writing I was looking for--with examples of acceptable level writing and unacceptable). This was not followed, yet I continued-- which is obviously why I became a pushover and my work was not prioritized in any way- even after requesting it to be made a priority. I recieved countless emails apologizing for things not being done to how I wanted--or for writers being changed-- always askign for me to continue service with them and will guarantee I will be satisfied.

I went through all this because I did not want to take more time to find another company. I held out hope it would work out. (which i now know was stupid and probably lazy on my end) .

But to be clear-- I was not asking for a refund because the paper was not delivered in 20 days. I asked for a refund because more than 5 months later--and I think 4-5 writers later- I still did not get close to what I wanted delivered---and the writer just seemed to stop working at the end.

The last 1000-1500 words sent to me took them 2 months and about 8--maybe 9 tries. I just got so busy (knowing id have to edit it myself) so I let the lack of work sent to me slide for a bit. Although always sending emails to the company asking for an updated version. (i wasn't that slack) Also, take in mind I only asked for 1500 words or so to be sent to me at a time, thus I thought making it easier for the writer ---and me so I could edit it in a timely fashion).

They seemed to give up and it was proven when I asked for a part to be done, (so i can move on with another section) and was informed it could be done (was being worked on) and was done. (days later than I asked). And yet an old version was sent. I felt like they were just mocking me!!

in my opinion, the writers and company I worked with were more than unprofessional. And I let them be. But I dont think that should mean the company does not take responsibility for their inability to provide a paper to their client--who paid in full. (thus granting a mutually agreed upon amt for a refund)--or full as was suggested in this forum.

If I even posted say 1000 words of anything that was sent from them--- (based on me paying for a PhD level paper)-- they would likely go out of business. The work was laughable yet at times would want to make me cry. But again, IM the idiot here for allowing it to happen.

If a company or freelancer can defend this activity--Id love to hear it as Im still waiting to know if I will receive ANY refund--let alone a full refund.
doh_j   
Nov 24, 2017

@FreelanceWriter
I know I was not full accepting what you suggested. My issue here is that it will be very difficult for me to write this chapter from scratch and not have it seem plagerized-- because I want to re-use the format I gave the writer to follow. It was very specific, a lot of thought went into it and made sense to my topic. Without that formatting-- I think the paper will not flow at all. Many parts were done chronologically.

So Im not looking to reuse the words but instead re- use the structure and use similar subheadings. Also-since much of the paper written was on the history of the topic and because the most prominent researchers-theorists were included. I will need to use many of the same sources. And since I basically wrote the paper--I may find it hard to stay clear of what I wrote the first time around--even if just editing another company's version of the paper. As I assume syntax and sentence structuring will inevitably be very similar to what I wrote in first paper--and for some of the more well known parts of the paper-- there is only so many ways to say the sky is blue. Plus I cant change my writing style.

So i guess my question to you is--- would having a paper that followed the same structure as another found online (or about half of it--as other half was not written) and having very similar ideas included and information included in these paragraphs be plagerism. Would plagerism checks pick up on formatting?

I could probably get around the syntax issue if I dont do it myself--get someone else to do it--and rarely include my own writing style to the new paper.

Thank you so much for your honest advice.