There seems to be too much on English versus ESL where in my opinion, the only question is ability. I have seen college students with writing skills (or lack of) that make me wonder how they graduated high school. Just being a native speaker does not mean the person is a qualified writer. Some ESL students who study the laguage and grammar actually have better command of the language because of that study.

However, I agree the companies mislead people and not to say they should do this, but if they adversise ESL writers people may be less apt to buy from them because they will automatically think the person is unable to complete the paper well. This is why using generalizations and stereotypes causes problems. I'm not condoning misleading websites in any way as people should be aware of what they are buying.

If I were running a site, I would just assure my customers that competent writers would be used that best meet the needs of an individual paper. And really, if companies did that there would not be a problem. However, some use "cheap" writers - ESL and otherwise to scam people and make money. People associate the scames with ESL companies/writers and then any offhsore company, even legitimate, gets a bad rep. for that.

Better time and effort would be sent measuring the quality of what is coming out of each company. Are the writers following the requirements? Are the papers well written? If yes, then beyond that is irrelevant.

I think if a writer is competent then nationality or even degrees are irrelevant. Having an advanced degree does not necessarily make someone a good writer. Someone can have a great dela of knowledge in a specific field of study and this does not mean they can write well or have strong grammar skills.

I would think if English is not your first language then it increases the difficulty but to claim it is impossible is an unfair statement.

Again, I revert to pricing. If you pay $8.99 a page, you are going to get errors in the paper and I don't care where the person lives or what the native language is. If you are looking at $20 a page then I would not expect to see errors.

There are other issues too. You want a 5 page paper in two days - no problem. You want a 30 page paper in 3 days, well the writer is going to cut corners somewhere to get that done in time. Even for the best writer that is asking a lot. Just doing research and reading through sources for a paper of that length is going to take hours.

You know the old adage - if it sounds to good to be true.....

What is funny is that these companies coculd make money with less headache by selling legit papers. There are so many writers, good ones, available and would like to do the work and there is a strong market for it. So many people with families and full time jobs go back to school in this economy and need degrees but do not always have time to do all the research and writing. For a reputable company, people will pay and word of mouth always creates new business. It is a shame that one scam company can make all get a bad name.

Actually, I have a friend who just filed a fraud complain with his card company. Turns out, ghostpapers.com is an offshore company and get this - there are mounting complaints and evidence against them for tax evasion and these fraud filings or requests for refunds all is getting filed. They set up phoney fronts in the states but by setting up in the U.S. at all makes you liable to pay taxes.

So, my suggestion to everyone is that when you get ripped off, file these complaints. Not only is there a good chance you will get your money back if you used a credit card that has fraud protection services, but you will also help get these guys nailed.

If the company is not really a U.S company and claiming to be one on their site, through advertising whatever, there are other actions the govt. will take such as not allowing U.S companies such as paypal etc. to accept them.

This is why these guys set up multiple companies and web sites in case one gets shut down. It is funny because they think they are ripping people off not giving refunds or whatever but in the long run they will get caught though if they own multiple sites they may not care.

FYI - same things goes for you guys who do not get paid. If they claim to you they are US based you can file charges if you are not paid. Not sure about the offshore ones but if they use pay services in the U.S. then you have some options.

I would like to jump in because I have looked at different companies and pricing and I have to say that when you see most companies offer papers at $12.99 and up per page (and 12.99 is not for rush papers), then what compels someone to think they might get good work at 8.99 a page? Sorry, but you are really asking to get screwed. I am not saying paying more guarantees a good paper, but something that low should raise a flag and hopefully students will start to see that. It is like buying a car. Sure, you can buy one for a grand but how good of a car is it really?

The Internet works for these scam companies but it will work against them too. Students talk and compare and it only takes one student in a school to get ripped off and word gets around. Get a good paper and word gets around. It does take time of course but like anything and any company there will always be competition. You want to make money? Provide a needed service at a fair rate and give good customer service and products and you will, in time, make money.

I do not know anything about the company but any company can use any card collection service. You do not even need to be a company to collect payments. Companies like paypal are legitimate but that does not mean using them to pay for something means the company your are purchasing for is legitimate. They are not responsible for issues you have with the company so don't let that make you think a company is legitimate.

I'm curious if anyone has ever received a refund after receiving a poorly written paper? Would your credit card company offer any fraud protection especially if the company claimed to be a U.S. company and you could prove it was from the Ukraine or somewhere else? That would be one of my first calls anyway!

I write for a few companies. Academic Experts is one. I have not had any problems with them or with getting paid. If that changes I will let you know. I think the biggest issue I see just reading through posts and when things are requested to be re-written is as much on the writers as the company - at least with the companies I work for I can not speak for all. However, sometimes writers take papers out of their league or area of expertise because they think they can wing it or it has a big price tag. Sometime I have seen the papers these folks try to pass off. This is not to say the company should not be more careful about who gets what, but just keep in mind getting a bad paper from a company does not mean all the writers are poor. I get very few revisison requests because I do take what I can write and do it well. The revisions requests I get tend to be minor. The point is, you can get a good writer or bad writer at any given company. But some of us good ones are out there who do work hard to get it right for the customer.

These guys are a scam. A friend of mine tried purchasing a paper from them. Not only did they miss the deadlines, they did not meet his requirements and then refuse to pay him a refund. My favorite part is that he tried to call them using the number on the website to speak to a live person instead of an email - the phone is not in service. When asked they claim it as just a problem they are having with their phones - for three weeks now???