Contribution to the Writing Community (academic ghostwriting / plagiarism / ethics)

As a member of the academic writing community I frequently trawl the web and academic ghostwriting websites, including forums like this.

I come here to Essayscam for website inspiration and interesting debates. Now, every time I come here, I am met with another tirade of star-filled words and furious debacles.

This would be considered inappropriate and unprofessional in a normal community, but it seems that it is acceptable here. However, I still fail to see what the point is of all of this mudslinging and word-bashing?

It is not even funny to read, it is just sad. It is like a classroom full of hormonal and "dragged-up-not-brought-up" teenagers; the teacher leaves the room and all hell breaks loose.

All this sinister posting with no contribution to the writing community looks more like misguided attempts at anger management and scribbling art therapy. I am bored. I want an intellectual discussion.

I want a debate on the subjects of academic ghostwriting, plagiarism, the moral and ethics and so on. But I guess that "haters are gonna hate", and as this post is sort of adding to all the nonsense here, so I'm going to stop here and move on to a community where there is a chance of some rewarding conversations.

Please feel free to join me in discussions.

Your argument is basically, "I come here to tap this place sometimes, and why are there dirty words?" I would say that they stem from a generally murky, somewhat hostile industry filled with competing scumbags, some of whom are trying desperately to take themselves seriously as writers in an environment where their real names will never be attached to any of their work. Good luck on your journey to Reddit to find similarly high-minded, sophisticated homework-doers and professional accessories. You really seem to have your finger on the pulse of youth vernacular, so you have that going for you. I'd lose the high horse, though, if I were you. No one likes a pompous twit.

A true intellectual mind is never bored :

Initial Thoughts of a New Member

This site is pretty fascinating to me, as somebody who has been an operator in the industry for a little over a decade in different capacities. Due to maintaining a very specific niche client segment (HNW/UHNW folks), I've never really viewed myself as competing with the general market of companies and freelancers, but I'm super curious what other companies are like. I always assumed that the industry was just scammers (yes, ironic indeed given that I'm part of it). Reading the threads here has somewhat enlightened me, albeit in a slightly disorienting and disorganized way. I can tell that some websites are essentially universally blacklisted (academia-research) while others appear to have higher quality, tension between ESL/native entities, and so on.

This site has the potential to be a source of market research on our industry, if we could cobble together the resources/threads to provide more structured visibility on the industry.

Of course, that may or may not be in our interests as incumbents.

It IS the source of market research already ;). Why would you like to give more 'visibility' on the industry, though; it's easy for potential customers to do a search and find example research services online.. The trick is to learn how to find reliable and legitimate ones, but that's being discussed in the other thread.

@KCR in all offices, when egos of like minded people are gathered in the same room, you can expect an explosive exchange of ideas and a high level of Adrenalin as each person tries to prove his point and come out on top. Each of them have the same objective, to be recognized by potential clients and gain a slice of the market. That is not what I am here for. I do however, recognize that ES has a thriving and boisterous community that reflects that sort of workplace. Sure we can get rowdy at times and there will always be a difference in opinion.

That doesn't mean that enemies are made for life or that one is weak if he walks away from a debate. It just means that the community is lively enough for the potential clients to make a decision regarding which independent writer appeals to them or shares their writing style. That debate does have a tendency to get out of hand at times, but everything works out in the end. Everyone simply agrees to disagree and moves on from that point. To be clear, I am not here to gain writing jobs. I am not here to gain clients.

I am not here to steal clients. I am just here to engage in a lively discussion with the independent writers who are members of this forum and help to further enliven the discussion boards.

As I've noted before.

Actually, the discourse that takes place in this forum, regardless of how "mudslinging" it gets, the whole situation is beneficial to the clients. You see, most of the writers here are somehow familiar with one another due to the length of time they have been working as freelance writers. As such, they know how is the real deal and who the poser is. By calling out the posers and exposing the truth about them, the students have the opportunity to make informed decisions when ordering a paper. Granted that the way it is done leaves a bad taste in the mouth, but sometimes there are no other options except to call a spade a spade. While the situation does bother me at times, I have learned to accept that to survive in this community, you just need to learn to go with the flow and just keep proving yourself as you do it.

I agree with @Write Review. While it may seem as though a huge percentage of stuff going on in this forum come from mudslinging, people who read through this site get actual insight into the inner-workings of the academic writing community. People here, including myself, have had extensive exposure already to this field. Knowing how it is to actually write and hustle for this work makes the forum full of useful information, especially for students who are seeking to use the service. Although, I do also agree that it may be contestable to some degree. It just depends on how you want to go about it, to be honest.

One major reason I did not use this forum for so long was because of a member called WritersBeware who's hostility and rudeness made me wary of this place. Everywhere I went on this forum, they were there defecating on everything. I thought they were a staff member and stayed clear. Since being banned, I do not see the posts since becoming so heated on disagreements, though some members do bump decade old threads instead of making new ones, strangely.

An academic writer's job is a lonely job. It basically forces the writer to become anti-social because of the focus and concentration required in completing a paper. The lack of outside social interaction and the stress of having to keep the client happy with constant email communication and other client centered activities do tend to take a toll on the writer. Raw nerves and stress points eventually need to be dealt with and for some writers, venting by letting their emotions out on this forum is their way of dealing with the stress of the job. It isn't something that is nice to read about, but, it is something that creates a healthy outlet for the writers. It's better that they vent in writing rather than going out and getting into trouble with the law. Venting on the forum is equivalent to no harm - no foul. Venting in public... Let's just say it's best they confine the arguments to written words at the forum at all times.