Countdown till essaywriters.net. Close down: Will it EVER happen?

LOL, yes, in fact, BU did lose largely because of that evidence!

"Because BU found just one student plagiarist, the federal court ruled there was no way the university could possibly prove its claim . . . ."

SOURCE: eschoolnews.com/news/top-news/index.cfm?i=31843&CFID=8419205


Have I ever claimed that my expertise is in statistics or mathematics? Nope. Perhaps, you need a reading tutor?

"Because BU found just one student plagiarist, the federal court ruled there was no way the university could possibly prove its claim of $75,000 in losses from each company--the amount necessary to qualify the case as a federal matter."

That still doesn't make your 86% generalizable for the industry in general. The Paper Store may have gotten away with it but as you can read:

"Two of the companies BU originally sued have settled, paying damages and promising not to sell papers to BU students in the future. Two other firms closed their web sites and have not responded to the lawsuit."

Which means that while The Paper Store escaped out of a technicality, many other companies did not because...

"17 states--including Massachusetts--have made it illegal to sell research material knowing or having reason to believe that it will be submitted for academic credit."

and they wouldn't have done that if the practice was becoming so prevalent. ^_^ Hey.. thanks for the evidence. I'd have been too lazy to look for that. :D


Oh, but you've tried to sound that way, haven't you Ms. General Statistics and now, Ms. 86%?

You are obviously CLUELESS about American law, which does not at all surprise me, since you so blatantly ignore and violate the laws that govern your operations.

Mr. Clueless, those two companies were "small time players" who folded fairly early on simply because they could not afford attorney's fees.


Nonsense. The very REASON why essay sites are LEGAL is because of those laws! The laws afford legitimate, example research sites to sell their works for research purposes. Educate yourself, PLEASE.


Again, I am quite certain that EVERY legitimate member in this forum will tell you that you lost the argument-AGAIN. You know it, as well, which is why you have posted another thread to distract people.

I doubt that sincerely. I don't think anybody here believes your claim that 86% of students who buy papers from sites do not submit those papers or substantial parts of those papers as their own.

Day 773.

When did I ever make such a claim? You need to learn how to READ, buddy. I clearly explained the undeniable FACT that 6 out of 7 BU students (86%) who bought papers referenced/cited them properly, as stated in the article and court documents. At no time have I EVER claimed that "86% of all students who buy papers reference them properly." (I could simply accuse you of LYING and intentionally misquoting me, but I am at least equally convinced that you are merely air-headed.) It's not that I necessarily believe that the percentage of honest students is lower than 86%, but I did NOT claim such. There is simply no other evidence available on which to base such a claim, so I didn't make it. That's how RESPONSIBLE and LEGITIMATE people conduct themselves in a debate. Pay attention.

You write RESEARCH papers for PAYING customers? Wow.

You lose.

Better late than never.

Welcome!!

Anybody wish to comment on WB's claim that 86% of students who buy from companies do not submit what they buy for credit and instead properly reference it in an original paper that is completely different from what they bought? :)

In my wrting career so far, I have written for numerous clients, through companies and directly and can safely affirm that most clients submit papers "as they are" rather than using them as resources.

Clients often request editing for trivial things such as changing the title of the paper or even appropriately indenting the bibliography page. In fact, when writing personal statements too, some clients request revision for inclusion of additional personal input, which confirms that they will be submitting the paper in the original form.

As for my direct clients, they provide honest feedback stating that "you have recieved an A or 90% or 80%" which affirms that the papers are never altered before submission.

Hence, I personally do not think that a majority of clients would use papers simply as reference materials after paying a price for them.

Yea I second dearbats. Even 14% would be a very optimistic estimate of the students who use the papers as samples/models/references.

If the quoted figures are based on some research we need to look into the research methodology, sample selection and other details to ascertain the reliability of the findings.

You are a worthless piece-period. You are a disgrace to Burundi.

For all interested, I already addressed EW_moron's intentionally false misrepresentation: essayscam.org/forum/wc/countdown-till-essaywriters-close-down-happen-1074/3/#msg15812

Could you tell us why THESE 7 students were investigated? On what basis were they selected?

Read the source. I posted it multiple times. It may also be a good idea to read all of the posts in the thread so that I do not have to repeat myself and you don't get confused by EW_writer's intentional lies.


I pummel him for all to see, he admits that I won and asks me to relent, and then he starts up again after I oblige.

Obsession.

Sickness.

Economics of Writers from Developed Countries (WB, OR)-- We have English as our Ist language. We deliver the best quality products (which is perhaps true). We desrve the premium prices. It is the third world writers with ESL credentials (like EW and Learner, and belive me there are hoards of others at this forum), who are spoiling the local markets by charging miserably low prices (true, but perfectly in alignment with the principles of free market economy which the West so ardently supports).

Economics of Writers from Developing Countries (and please do not call us the third world. If you do that, perhaps you are totally oblivious of the latest developments in the World Economy, especially regarding the Indian Economy)- Yes, English is our second langauge. We sometimes do make grammatical and spelling mistakes, but with the latest spell checks and grammar checks, we somehow succeed in drafting the desired products. IT revolution has left the world flat. We have access to the international clients. With our low cost of living, we can afford to offer our customers the most competitive prices. You may say that we deliver shoddy products (you may continue to believe that), but the ground reality is that our customers are so far happy with what we deliver. That's why we are never short of work.

HERE I AM NOT TRYING TO HURT ANYBODY. I AM SIMPLY STATING A FACT. I DO NOT KNOW WHERE THIS WAR WILL END. PERHAPS THIS IS THE TRUE DYNAMICS OF THE MARKET.

Not true learner :) A great many ESL writers are EXCELLENT ... not just good but EXCELLENT. As for a writer's rates, that should only be determined on the basis of qualifications - nationality does not enter into the equation at all. As I said before, I have come across numerous so-called writers whose native language is English ... their writing is not worth a penny. At the same time have dealt with many native writers whose writing is nothing less than superb. The same applies to ESL writers. What I am trying to say here is that nationality does not matter - what matters is whether a person is qualified to write professionally or not. You have to admit that many of the so-called professional writers can't write if their lives depended on it IRRESPECTIVE OF NATIONALITY. So, all I am saying here is that any who dare ask a fee for their writing should have the requisite academic and linguistic qualifications.

Do you think it right that companies proclaim that all of their writers are native speakers with, at the very least, an MA when, in actual fact, they are ESL writers with none of the academic qualifications these companies have promised? By the same token, wouldn't a qualified ESL writer feel demeaned by their employers' request that they pose as American/British? Qualified ESL writers (and I am not talking about wages here) arereally selling themselves short by agreeing to all this play-acting. Your qualifications are really all that matter.

I want to ask you a question ... read over your posts and those of EW and compare them to someone like Chacha. Are you guys in the same boat? Is Chacha as qualified as either of you? Compare the use of language ... and know this: when totally unqualified ESL writers enter the industry they negatively reflect upon the qualified ones and prejudice customers against using the service of QUALIFIED ESL writers. They certainly do not reflect upon native speakers. Do you see what I mean?

While I am speaking here for myself, I believe that WB would agree. She has repeatedly stated that:
1) she has nothing against qualified ESL speakers
2) she is opposed to unqualified individuals, irrespective of nationality, touting their services as writers
3) she is opposed to fraudulent claims such as ALL OUR WRITERS ARE NATIVE SPEAKERS and ALL OUR WRITERS HOLD, AT LEAST, AN MA.

Silly you... again you didn't quote my entire statement.


See? The picture is different when you show the entire post, isn't it? :D

Many thanks to dearbats and humble for speaking out what is clearly an obvious matter that only WritersBeware seems to disagree with. We are all in the business of selling students their homework. It's as plain and simple as that. Some of those students may take the time to paraphrase but most of them wouldn't even want to have to change the page settings. ^_^

WB seems to have earned an advocate.

Well ... is my representation of her position accurate or not?

And pls let me be very clear about MY position:
1) What distinguishes one writer from the other is the ability to write, not whether one is a native speaker or not.
2) What distinguishes one academic writer from another is ACADEMIC qualifications, not nationality.
3) What distinguishes a legit company from an illegitimate one is
a) fair and timely compensation to writers
b) accurate representation of their identity to both writers and customers
c) ensuring that writers hired are qualified, both linguistically and academically
d) guaranteeing customers that writers are linguistically qualified and NOT claiming that "all our writers are American and British" native speakers
e) guaranteeing customers that writers are academically qualified and NOT claiming that "all our writers hold, at least, a master's degree"
The list goes on forever but, in brief, it is a question of honesty.

How many companies hire writers WITHOUT even checking whether they are qualified or not? That is unfair to the customers who end up with shoddy work and unfair to the writers who are asked to perform a job which they cannot do and, ultimately, suffer fines, etc.

What is so wrong about the demand for a modicum of honesty?

I want to ask you a question - how many companies out there REGULARLY scam writers and customers? Many of the writers and customers have complained about this exact thing on the forum and yet, when some consistently speak out against the issue, they suddenly become anti-ESL and racists.

If QUALIFIED WRITERS, irrespective of nationality, are happy being scammed and being paid peanuts, so be it ... If QUALIFIED ESL writers are content being grouped alongside the unqualified ones, that is your choice ... However, when a person denounces the practice, don't denounce him/her for speaking up ...

While the loyalty which some exhibit towards the Ukranian gangsters is commendable, you all know that they are scammers. And what you should all know is that they are going to have to shape up and adhere to the laws which govern the sale of services or they are going to have to SHIP OUT. Some of you are skeptical about it and live under the assumption that they are beyond the reach of the law - they are not. In fact, they have placed themselves squarely within reach through incorporation in both the UK and the US.

Call me an advocate if you wish, as I certainly do not deny my advocacy of the position WB has adopted towards the issues raised here.

One question Oxbridge, what do you think WB thinks of your thessayist?

When it is operational, then you can all give your opinion and should the company ever scam anyone, then you all have a right to call me out. And, as it operates under UK law, it is really within the reach of the courts. Furthermore, any who want to clarify anything about the company can easily PM me and should I not be 100% transparent or should I say anything which does not hold up to any independant investigation - pls call me out.

And, EW ... why are you changing the subject? I understand that any who agree with anything WB says are automatically labelled ENEMY but ... so be it

I'm not labeling anyone as the enemy and I'm not saying that your scamming anyone. I was just asking a question. If you won't think seriously about an answer now, then I guess we'll have to wait until you actually launch the site for you to realize how misguided you are about your new found friend.

I have noticed that your support to her is unwavering on every issue so much so that we thought it could be the same person! But, no!!!

Forget that. Tell me where do you find the unlimited time to do these long postings from? I have not found time even to read them although the exams are over.

EW - I thought you were my friend :) What do I think? I believe that we will come under heavy attack from many.


On the issues which I have restated in the previous post, yes ...


Where do I find a few minutes here and there? The `long' posts you refer to take about 5 minutes? So, I guess I must have plenty of free time on my hands ... (this post took under 30 seconds)

Errr.. after you told everyone that WB's jokes were funnier? :P


You'll most likely come under attack if your "clients" come back to promote. Aside from that, I don't think you'll have any problem with most of us here. But you still didn't answer my question. :)

I got to the bottom of that one and not all were clients. The `insider' responsible is now an outsider ...


They were terribly funny :)

Glad to hear it.

Yes but I bet you she's going to come here and start attacking me

I'm sure you can handle it.

Day 774. ^_^

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Keep up the taunting, biiiiyatch. It merely confirms that I'm doing a good job.

By the way, the investigator made a new post: voirdireveritas.blogspot.com

Your "investigator" who you attach so much merit to is just another blogger and his blog is well.. just another blog. ^_^ The fact remains that it's day 775 and nothing you ever did mattered. ^_^

Keep seething with anger, I'm sure it brings out the color in your eyes. :)

Well EW, I wish he creates a similar blog for my nemsis - ALEXEY or ALEX WESSON, as he is so fond of calling himself. You know what I think? He should have found himself an Eliza Doolittle Professor Higgens to stamp out his E.European accent before Americanising his name :)

I think it wouldn't have affected his business in any way as well. The only reason why the blog is doing the hatchet job on ew is probably because its author worked for ew. Had the author come from ar, well then you can just press ctrl+H, type ew in the first text holder and type ar in the second. Press "Replace all" and Voila! Same blog, same theme, different target. ^_^


Hey, that's an interesting topic for conversation. What made you leave AR? You wrote for them for a long time right? I got accepted as a writer for AR as well but I never wrote a single paper for them coz the system wasn't so kind to new writers and I really wasn't looking to devote my time to another company when I was already making so much progress with EW (at the time). Was it one big thing that made you decide to quit or was it a long list of small but regular atrocities?

You have NO SHAME whatsoever-most crooks and criminals don't. You're a mouth-breathing J-A who continues to post nothing but lies, even AFTER those lies have been verified, and even AFTER you publicly admitted that I crushed you and you begged me to relent.

Now, I've already listed several clear, substantial ways in which the evidence that I have posted (and efforts outside of this forum) has made a substantial impact-for the good-on consumer education, consumer protection, and the industry in general. You have repeatedly and consistently claimed otherwise by asserting that here has been "no change" in the number of orders through essaywriters.net. However, what you fail to admit/recognize is the fact that your dirty employer has had to greatly increase advertising and create new sites just to break even. If not for those extremely EXPENSIVE efforts to create & market new sites, publish more fake addresses, engage in various new advertising tactics (including SPAMming blogs, message boards, and/or SB sites), etc., your smut-peddling employer's orders would reflect a substantial drop.

Let the excuses begin . . . .

Have a nice day!

What lies did I post? That it's been 775 days since you started launching evidence after evidence against my employers and none of them have EVER mattered? :P


Sigh.. read the post again to see that I was only goading to admit that students are better off ordering from off-shore comapnies whose dorrs won't be barked on by universities eager to expel students who cheat. Do I have to spell it out for you every time? Now, get lost. ^_^


There goes another batch of completely UNSUBSTANTIATED imaginings from WritersBeware. Bestessays along with all the other sites that my employers operate are still up and running and they still funnel enough orders for their writers. You can't claim that they're having money troubles because you don't have ANY evidence on that. They've been paying me on time, all the time and I'd bet that they're doing the same for all the other writers in their employ who aren't sacks of plagiarizing ****. It's funny how you pepper insignificant evidences with unproven claims in order to confuse readers as to which of the things that you say actually have any merit.

What we all gather from you at the moment is simply that legitimate companies are more likely to turn their clients in when questioned by authorities. Thank you for your evidences in proving that scary fact. Now move along, and stop showing the rest of the members of this board how affected you are by this thread which continues to be a reminder of your utter failure to shut us down or even slow us down. It's making you look a lot more pathetic than you already are. ^_^

Still day 775, people. :D

*takes cover as WB blows her ugly top again*

EW_writer's job = deny, deny, deny


Nice try, liar. SOME-but certainly not all-of the evidence is clearly available for the world to see. I invite everyone to read the evidence to gain an understanding of the near-psychotic nature of EW_writer's propaganda and denial:

voirdireveritas.blogspot.com



LOL-as predicted, the excuse master is back to work!

Now there is a SERIES of investigatory articles available, much more in-depth and revealing that the information on the blog: associatedcontent.com/user/403368/voir_dire.html

EW_writer claims that it's all "unsubstantiated" and "in my imagination." Who does everyone believe-the VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE or the agent of fraud, EW_writer?

LOL!

Sigh.. do I have to do this every time you take my words and put them in your false contexts?


There. ^_^


What's that master of nothing whose activities have thus far yielded zero results? :P


Verifiable evidence of what?!? Again allow me to paste the statement that was so sorely taken out of context.


Day 775 everyone. Why doesn't this loser let up? :) Oh.. it's because every day I post here, her employers are ALL THE MORE REMINDED that their agent is a pathetic failure.

Day 776. ^_^

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Day 778. ^_^

I'm betting that the people who are actually paid to do hatchet jobs on writing sites over the net are very few. Most of the individuals who set out to destroy a site's reputation are site owners themselves who do not need to get paid to be properly motivated to make attempts at ruining the competition. Still, I believe that there are "professionals" who have above-average writing skills that some companies use to take on the perpetual duty of launching campaigns to mar the competition. These select few devote a ridiculous amount of time gathering "evidence" while hiding behind some practically unbelievable cover story such as being some sort of successful philanthropist just making contributions for the common good. In order to make the cover story believable to lesser thinkers, these people utilize their above-average writing skills to make them look credible.

The battle fought in the message boards which are the battlegrounds of these professional hatchet workers is far more simple than they make it appear. They boldly proclaim that they are out to take down particular sites by presenting one supposedly damaging evidence after another but in a span of years, these evidences fail to do anything. If people would look into why this is so, one thing would become apparent. This is that all these evidences are virtually unverifiable unless actual authorities move in to verify them, something that authorities would not do because what they are really concerned about is not that some writing sites are off-shore or that these sites lie about where they are based but rather the fact that writing sites provide homework that students submit for credit. Anyone can verify this by trying to find any evidence that the United States government has actually made any attempt at all to bring down off-shore companies for being off-shore and lying to their clients about it. Despite the overwhelming evidences and confessions made on this message board, no official move has been made because this matter is simply a non-issue. Instead, what people would find are academic institutions trying to get the government involved in clamping down on writing sites in general that provide homework to students. But if this is the case, does it mean that professional hatchet workers are fighting a lost cause? The answer to that is no, because the actual cause of these people is not actually to close certain sites down but to make it seem like these sites would not provide quality work for students by making legitimacy equate to quality. In effect, what these people constantly do is create straw men. In logical fallacies, straw men are arguments constructed to look like they are relevant to the issue when in fact they are not. Hatchet workers construct straw men and then tackle and destroy them, making the illusion that they have won legitimate arguments when really, all that they have one are arguments that they themselves created. Thus, when unsuspecting students looking for a place to buy homework read these people's work, they are automatically made to feel that the sites that hatchet workers point out will scam them out of their money because these sites lie about their location and their writers' academic qualifications when these two have virtually no proven correlation with writing competence (how many great writers actually have MAs or PhDs?).

Still, there are occasions when these professionals are forced to cease their efforts and bluntly speaking, are made to shut up. These occasions occur when they commit mistakes that make them look inept or that invariably hurt their employers' interests. For example, if such a person establishes himself or herself as an excellent writer, proving that he or she is also prone to mistakes and hammering on these mistakes constantly would make the person's employers pull the hatchet worker out temporarily to let the issue die down without the worker ever addressing it properly. Another example is when a hatchet worker inadvertently presents solid evidence pointing out that it is more likely for students to get caught cheating if they buy from the companies that the hatchet worker supports. These things are likely to get the worker suspended for some time and perhaps seriously penalized.

The bottom line is, customers should always be wary of what they read on the internet regardless of how well it is written or how convincing it seems. They should focus on the key questions when looking for a writing service rather than being lured to watch the straw man spectacles that hatchet workers offer. Would the service provide me with papers written in the quality that I desire? Would I be safe in using the papers that I buy for whatever purpose I have? These are the only questions that matter.

And you seem to have plenty of time today :D
no resumes or action research papers?
Did you (or will you) get paid for this beautiful essay?

Right on. ^_^ I got the entire day (and hopefully the entire weekend) off. :)


I wouldn't say that it's that beautiful (didn't proofread since it wasn't a paid-for work so as I read it now, I can see a few things that I'd have changed such as the double use of "Battle" at the start of the second paragraph and the double use of "actual" somewhere down the middle). Still, I really appreciate the compliment. :)

Yea no one gets it right the first time, even the best of writers. The first draft is never the final.