Kenyan Writers - stop hiring them?

I realize that you are accustomed to stealing and then slightly editing to make a dirty living, so I'll let that slide. However, "your" statement is simply not true. Anyone who reads my posts will immediately recognize that I am not an idiot. In fact, if sane, he/she will almost certainly realize that I am quite intelligent, perceptive, funny, and virtually impossible to defeat in any substantuve debate. The exact opposite applies to people's perceptions of you.

This proves why you have been referred to as an idiot. Well if you wanted me to produce original work, you could simply have asked for that. I would charge a small price for that. You did not ask, though, I am willing to show a sample of my work.

WildBoar, you are a pathetic, wretched, ugly liar whose incongruous behavior and atrocious personality make this forum lousy for some honest and helpful people here. Your cruddy disposition shows your rotten mental attitude and filthy nature are patently due to the hidden detest you have deep inside your heart for others who are qualified and competent, just because you are an ignorant, spoofing prevaricator who cannot stand to fairly compete with them. It suits pheeLeaks as well as he belongs to the same category. "My statements are not true just because you said it" cannot be considered. Period.

That's like asking me to pay for a headache.


FYI, awkwardly and incorrectly using "big" words makes you look like even more of an idiot.

Once again, your latest post evidences your lack of education and writing skills in the English language. That you don't even recognize your painful lack of qualifications is the real problem with ESL essay writers-especially those from Pakistan and Kenya-in general.

Of course, you won't say you like these "big" words uttered for you. I know you native-speakers do not consider non-native speakers' word usage. By the way, I correctly used the words... perfectly suit you.


You keep saying this without any proof. Do you have a proof for my lack of qualifications? You liar! You poor soul cannot prove anything, but that you yourself are ignorant ass.

For your information, education does not mean learning English to the level of native speakers. It is just fine with me and students who want me to write their papers. I clearly tell them about my identity, location and background. Those who are more concerned about the content, select me and are quite happy with what I provide them. I write papers on the topics that come in my area of expertise. So you have no choice, but to believe it. Ya illiterate, dishonest, spamming idiot.

See your 140 posts.

Show me one specific mistake or problem in my posts. Saying "they suck" isn't the same as providing evidence.


Yes.


Without changing any words, the only way this would be correct is as, "You, poor soul, cannot prove anything."

Yeah. All of them say you are an idiot. Lol

What's the matter, amadweeb? No response for the specifics mentioned?

Yeah fine. As you like it to be written for you. By the way, I have many times highlighted mistakes in your posts.


Show me the proof, or accept you are a filthy liar. The problem is you are suffering from inferiority complex.

Amnateeb: pheeleaks is an unqualified cretin whose writing sucks.
pheeleaks: Evidence?
Amnateeb: Refer to you posts.
pheeleaks: This is not an evidence.

pheeleaks: Amnateeb's writing skills are substandard.
Amnateeb: Where is your evidence now?
pheeleaks: Your posts are the evidence.
WildBoar: Refer to your posts.
Amnateeb: This is not an evidence.

WildBoar: Amnateeb used "big" words incorrectly.
Amnateeb: I did not. In fact, I have seen a huge sample of pheeleaks writing on this very forum. He uses obscure words and convoluted sentences that seem to be awkward for academic and technical writing. He should learn what technical writing is.

No, you have many times said my posts have mistakes. When it comes to actually pointing those mistakes out, though, you're usually pretty useless.

See, I actually pointed out a specific mistake you made. Here are some more:


That comma shouldn't be there.


"Come" is not the right verb here, or the sentence needs restructuring in other ways.


Again, unnecessary (and incorrect) comma.

You are wrong, idiot.

They are not actually mistakes. When I write my posts, unlike you, I do not spend a hell of time on editing them, but academic papers need proofreading. My word usage is not awkward as yours, by the way.

Oh. What a valid and well-founded argument. I guess I'll go away then.


Can you find the mistake here, or should I point it out for you again?

By the way, I don't spend much if any time editing my posts, either. I just know how to use commas properly when I write my posts the first time.


Example? This has been going on for days and you have yet to cite an actual problem in my posts.

No, he isn't, you uneducated simpleton.

For a moment i think you are on one side then you end it all by insulting each other!!Anyway all has been said and there is no need to write insults that you cannot say to someone's face if given the chance.

STFU.

Whats all the fuss abt Kenya Writers? Guys get focused, personally am on the net to make money and not to trade insults. At the end of the day when writing, has your client gotten satisfied! Thank you

why should a bigger group of sincere writers suffer in the name of few that just ruin our names. if i do qualify and i have been giving my customers quality work, no revision, no plagiarism then why should you terminate our services and our source of cash. as a kenyan writer i look forward to work and offer my best, and never ever wish to wake up and find my account terminated. why not deal with individual writers who do not offer good work, lather than the whole group and the innocent who are fully commited

First-time Kenyan forum member here. Excepting a certain obviously insane / illiterate poster, most of you have valid points and some invalid ones as well. I believe that though there are a few bad apples, most Kenyans are easygoing, hard-working, intelligent and learned people who are writing to make an honest buck, so there is no reason to tar all with the same brush. I must be honest and say, though, that the grasp (or lack thereof) of some basic rules of English grammar displayed by some of my countrymen hardly helps our case. My 2c.

Interesting, ahem, "discussion" though.

I think it is wrong to condemn every Kenyan writer, on the grounds wrong-doing by a few writers. While it could be true that many Kenyan writers offer poor quality work, we should not be misled to think that they are all bad. I am told that some writing companies have about 40-90 % of writers from Kenya. We should just swallow our pride and accept the fact that Kenyan writers are here to stay.

It is never fair subjecting a group to condemnation due to the outburst of an individual. I am sure so many have been pleased with the work forwarded by Kenyans, on the other hand, am also sure not all customers who have contracted native speakers have gotten satisfactory papers. My point is, it all comes down to the individual, not a group, whether ESL, EFL or any other divisive grouping, we are all writers, or so i would like to think.

lmfao, ran into this thread while randomly googling, just had to sign up & tell you all how depressed it's got me.

Seriously, can I possibly get anymore embarrassed as a Kenyan?? I hardly even write freelance as yet - got interested the other day when a friend told me to check it out - and this is the first thing I run into (facepalm), are you kidding me - is this the rep we've got out there right now??

Please tell me OP's post is not law already. If it is, and the IP ban is up & running out there, then somebody for the love of God tell me how I can get in, I don't think I'm even going to bother attempting to register on any site till a regular on this forum tells me I still have a chance (or confirms the opposite) lol :)... this thread was just saddening.

Over to you (pheelyks, WB, WRT & every other regular I've seen across the site)... feel free to hammer that final nail in on me (hopefully not).

PS/- Admin, site needs smileys, as a matter of urgency

There are a lot of angry people in here.

Smileys would quickly sort that

Is Kenya the only African country you hire writers from? And if not, do the other countries from which you hire from have the same characteristics as you claim we Kenyans have?

This coming from a country that once used Shakespeare English? Thou shalt not blah blah blah you were also not borneth perfect. If you rectify me, you will win a Noble prize, I assure you, ignorant American.

I don't think writers from any particular country have any specific characteristics at all. However, in any country where poverty rates are high, there will always be many people trying to profit by any means possible, especially in ways that require no investment and that allow them to tap into the consumer economies of much wealthier nations. I don't know that Nigerian people share any characteristics that differ from Kenyans (or from Americans) that account for the prevalence of 419 scams in Nigeria, either. Maybe the fact that many Kenyans are well educated accounts for why they look to get into this business, but I don't know. As with all other ESL writers, there are some Kenyans who probably do great work and others who greatly overestimate their ability to write in English at the level that NES customers have a right to expect. As long as they disclose their ESL status if/when asked and as long as they don't do anything to create a false impression that they're located in the West because they know that most NES students do care very much whether their writers are ESL or NES, I have no problem with them.

WRT checking on the date you wrote this post, it was two years ago. What a shame the fact remains there has been an influx of more Kenyan writers since then, and we are not interested in seeing your stupidity but helping a student who is overwhelmed by course work and his or her economic welfare. Moreover, you should be appreciating our work of giving you people jobs, so it is wise to argue we are the distinct job creates not the few dollars you pay us for the those golden words we write for you that it is warranted you to go abusing Kenyans. Besides, for all the allegations presented in your above post. You should know that whether plagiarized or not the fact remains Kenyans don't go out there searching for writing its you who came to the internet searching for writers. So who is saint and Villain here. Again, its a general rule in most companies if an article is plagiarized then depending on the regulations of that particular company, direct measure which include termination of account are always taken. And if accounts are terminated what makes Kenyan writing among the best. It doesn't matter where the content of the writing is coming from but the quality of writing take that to bank.

Freelance writer, i have just read your comment and i appreciate that you could be having superior writing concepts but it is not in order to generalize Kenyans and Nigerians. There is a serious difference between the two.

What a bunch of irrational, confused, bass-ackwards, moronic tripe.

You are stupid and sorry to say so!!!

You're an annoying garbage, soo much indeed. I am a Kenyan and got my personal clients from US and UK who I do not lie to in regard to my location. They trust me and pay me well. In fact more than you get spreading stupid unprofessional lies.

Hey, Tony, your English is a joke. Do you write Kenyan comedy bits?

You care more about your English but full of nonsense. That's why you can never think of or post something useful spinning one or two sentences that you proofread 1000 times before posting to ensure no mistake. We as Kenyans are venturing into the industry like wild fire. Now you will advocate for blocking all Kenyan websites because I must congratulate you following that some of your campaigns bore fruits. I am an ESL, so trying to focus on my English makes you like a fool.

Back in your hut!

Why should I hire kenyan writers?

Iam hiring writers, and I got applications from writers from all the corners. About 50% are from Kenya.

Which country are you looking to hire from?


And...?

Enough is Enough.please hit the main message.Which company disrespected you ,how,Why?Some of these scammers are Americans hiding in the name of being a Kenyan.

It's a little confusing - why would a scammer pretend to be from Kenya (wouldn't it be counter-productive?)

@Major I believe that @Gurulwanga doesn't know what he is talking about. I mean, it is counterproductive, as you mentioned for an American to pretend to be a Kenyan. An American writer is an ENL. That means an American writer cannot pretend to be Kenyan even if he tried. It is just impossible to sound that way on paper. It requires a special kind of dumbing down in intellect. I mean no disrespect here but from my experience working with these Kenyans, their writer's grasp of the English language is so simplistic that I would not allow them to write an essay for an ESL student past the 3rd grade.

There is no reason that an American will even try to pretend to be Kenyan. The way these Kenyan writers have been scamming the students left and right is sickening. A decent American would never want to be associated with such a country or nationality. This guy is just shooting off his mouth for want of something to say. I bet he doesn't even understand what he wrote in English. He can't even use proper punctuation marks in his simple sentences. If he is truly an independent writer, I have only sympathy for the students he has managed to scam up to this point.

That sounds like a challenge ... Sir Richard Burton took up a similar challenge in 1851 and succeeded in pretending to be a Muslim and even made it into Mecca, just as John Howard Griffin pretended to be African-American in his book, Black Like Me (a good read). Both of these guys dyed themselves to blend in -- no big deal. People can do anything they want to if they want to badly enough.

That's an excellent point; it works both ways indeed.

While a writer can do his best to dumb down his written presentation at the request of the client, the intelligence of the writer will still somehow manage to shine through. A writer limiting his writing abilities will still forget to keep it simple and ESL like because that is not his natural way of writing. I know that when I or my writers are asked to write like someone else, it requires a lot of checking on the part of the QAD of my company. Mostly because they have to send the paper back to have the writer correct the "intelligent" parts to keep with the theme of the paper. It is not easy to pretend to be someone you are not, even if only in written form.

A Kenyan writer will always be found out through his grasp of the English language. They can write in English, but not at the proficiency level expected of a native speaker. They write more like intermediate English users. They betray their educational attainment in the manner that they write. Oftentimes, they use "big" words out of context, and they fail to write a cohesive paragraph most of the time. Their best work could be considered gradeschool level at best. These are the reasons why they find it tought o get writing jobs these days.