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How long to build up a reliable client base?


Dreiser74  1 | 8   Freelance Writer
Feb 27, 2014 | #1
Up until about a day ago, I had no idea that essay writing was even a thing. I'm interested in how one becomes a reputable essay writer. Does anyone ever use their real name, or is anonymity pretty much synonymous with this entire field? Do freelance writers ever guarantee results? I've never had much difficulty cranking out a B or a B+ essay throughout school (at the undergrad & grad level) - are prospective students looking for As or are they generally content with decent passing grades?

Can essay writing be a decent source of supplimentary income? My job commands about half an hour of my attention every day; I spend the rest looking for projects to hold my interest.

To writers with stable freelance jobs: how long did it take you to build up a steady supply of work? Was it all word-of-mouth? Do you have your own personal database of sentences and syntax that you use to expedite your work, or do essays take the same amount of time to complete regardless of how much experience you have? Do you ever offer any sort of proof of qualifications to potential buyers, or is that futile because these days just about anything can be photoshopped?

I realize there are a number of similar threads and will comb through them shortly. In the meantime if anyone has any advice for a newcomer, I'm all ears!
Major  35 | 1449 ☆☆  
Feb 28, 2014 | #2
Up until about a day ago, I had no idea that essay writing was even a thing.

Then why did you select in your profile you are a 'Writer'? :)

Most of legitimate freelance writers use their real name, but some use a pseudonym. If you want to be serious about your job, stick to one name / pseudonym only. Better yet, develop your own, unique writing service website and promote it in your email, for example: me@dreiserwriting.com. Scammers use dozens of different and disposable email addresses / names, so you don't want to follow their way.

Do freelance writers ever guarantee results?

If by results you mean 'passing grades' then no - it's not legal to help students cheat.
OP Dreiser74  1 | 8   Freelance Writer
Feb 28, 2014 | #3
Freelance Writer Client BaseMajor - thanks for the input. I agree with the one name/one point of contact suggestion, and would imagine branding and building up a reputation is key to stable, well-paying work.

I'm actually a bit curious about the "it's not legal to help students cheat" comment - you might be able to elaborate a bit on this, and apologies if I'm being a bit too candid about the subject:

- Do any students actually use these essays for 'research' purposes? Or is this something you stipulate in your terms & conditions, in order to cover yourself (knowing fully well most of your work is going to be submitted verbatim). Do freelance writers here believe that what they're doing is totally on the up & up?

- Is it actually illegal to help students cheat? Or does it just break the rules of various post-secondary institutions & result in expulsion for the student. Are there any caveats that writers consistently put in their terms & conditions to protect themselves legally?

I read several threads in this forum which were enlightening. I was wondering if any of the more seasoned freelancers here would recommend that a burgeoning writer first cut his/her teeth in one of the more reputable essay writing websites? Initially I was thinking about just setting out on my own, but now I'm wondering if it would be prudent to first knock out a dozen or so smaller/simpler essays for some of the magnates in this industry to see if I have what it takes?

Lastly, is there a market for B-quality work? Is that a niche?
Major  35 | 1449 ☆☆  
Feb 28, 2014 | #4
As far as I know, all legitimate writers and services would refuse to work with students who insinuate that they plan to commit academic violation. Maybe that's why there are so few legitimate services or writers in this industry.

Do freelance writers here believe that what they're doing is totally on the up & up?

You'd have to ask active freelance writers here.
MeoKhan  10 | 1357   ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Feb 28, 2014 | #5
what they're doing is totally on the up & up?

The forum is replete with arguments supporting or opposing this up-and-up side of the essay writing business.

My argument is pretty straight. We work hard to help students who are forced to write even if their talent lies in another area completely different from writing. If the students or us (the writers' community) are to be blamed for any kind of dishonesty (that's going to be a far-cry though), the holistic educational system must be critiqued.

The critique will tell you it's shamefully flawed. Bingo!
FreelanceWriter  6 | 3089   ☆☆☆   Freelance Writer
Feb 28, 2014 | #6
Being "reputable" is something separate from being "good" or "experienced." You can be reputable as soon as you start offering your services by being honest (and realistic) about your capabilities and by delivering exactly what you promise to deliver from Day One. You become good at this and experienced by doing a lot of it over a relatively long time, pretty much the same as most other professions. The anonymity component is probably similar to many other online services and it typically goes both ways with many customers preferring to identify themselves only by an email address at first. Once you've done a couple of transactions with someone, both parties generally drop any initial reservations about identity disclosure. The only results you can "guarantee" are that you will fulfill the specs provided and that the writing will be at the quality level that you promised and that customers will feel that they got their money's worth at the time they receive and review the product you provide.

I've never had much difficulty cranking out a B or a B+ essay throughout school (at the undergrad & grad level) - are prospective students looking for As or are they generally content with decent passing grades?

It depends on the customer. Many are A students who expect your work to be the same general quality as theirs; others expressly request it not to be more advanced than their writing samples that they provide. Sometimes, you get parents placing orders and requesting that you don't write beyond the level of a high-school student, 8th Grader, or even (one or twice in my career) the level of a 5th or 6th Grade student. Customers who are ESL often request simple language and sentences, but I've also had ESL clients expressly request language as "complex" or as "sophisticated" as possible.

When I started doing this, it was strictly a supplemental income and I could not even imagine writing enough or as fast as would be necessary to provide a comparable income to a decent regular job. It's not something you'll ever become wealthy doing, but if you like the independence of it, you can definitely make it work. Nowadays, I gross more than my last pay grade as a Senior Writer/Editor for the U.S. federal government and I could never even consider going back to a regular 9 to 5 again (more like 7 to 3, by choice, to beat the rush hour) just to earn the same money or even slightly more. I'd have to make substantially more than what I earn doing this just to consider another office job; but I'd definitely go back to teaching hockey or bouncing at a strip club for somewhat less, if a steady, long-term offer like that came along =)

To writers with stable freelance jobs: how long did it take you to build up a steady supply of work? Was it all word-of-mouth?

For the first few years, most of my income was from essay companies and I had only a handful of freelance clients, most of whom were either acquaintances or referrals from acquaintances. More recently, almost all of my work is freelance and essay-company work is less than 1/10th of my income. I wouldn't necessarily say it's "word of mouth" either: it's more like you (very) gradually get to where you have about a dozen or more regular repeat customers; then, it's just a matter of continually getting enough new clients to replace the ones who graduate. Even if you're very good at this and very experienced, it would still take some time to start all over again to go from having no clients to having enough clients to sustain yourself doing this for a living exclusively.

You definitely get better with practice: most new writers specialize in longer deadlines and work much the way they did as students, laboring for several days over every 10-pg paper. By the time you've written 1,000+ papers, you start specializing is rush work that pays more and you typically bang out a 10-pg paper of ordinary undergraduate-level of difficulty in a few hours, maybe with a meal or TV break in the middle. You no longer need multiple "drafts" anymore, either, because the first thing you write comes out pretty polished and rarely needs more than a spellcheck and one proofread.

There's no way to use any kind of "syntax database" or a sentence template, because if you're a good writer, that would take more effort and time than just free-writing. You might have a template of standard headings and font settings, but that's about it. Generally, people who are not naturally good writers tend to assume that anything other than writing from scratch is helpful and several non-writer acquaintances have asked me the same question and then looked at me like I was BSing them when I told them that you can't write academic papers (or much of anything, really) the way you fill in "Mad Libs" party games. For experienced writers, free-writing is the fastest process there is. About the only thing we do along those lines is keep a database of good reference material on various topics so we don't have to re-type every book or journal article that's useful for more than one project, especially those that you actually have in hard copies in your library at home.

Do you ever offer any sort of proof of qualifications to potential buyers, or is that futile because these days just about anything can be photoshopped?

I believe it's futile but for an entirely different reason: The only objective "qualifications" you can provide are that you have a particular degree, but having a degree in most academic fields has little to do with how well you write, especially if you're writing in many more subject areas than your formal educational background as you must be able to do if you hope to make a decent living at this. About all you can do in that respect is prove that you don't just grab at any work dangled by declining projects that you can't take with confidence and by providing good work on the first small test project from any new client.
OP Dreiser74  1 | 8   Freelance Writer
Mar 01, 2014 | #7
Personally I have few scruples when it comes to essay-writing. However, I can't help but think that any writers who believe their essays aren't ending up on the prof's desk are deluding themselves. In my opinion, I can't imagine students who cheat ever getting to a point where they find themselves in a career that puts a person's health or safety at risk. Bridges aren't going to collapse because a student handed in an essay I wrote. Surgeries aren't going to go terribly awry because of my interpretation of Vanity Fair. I think the best (or worst) case scenario here is that a student might undeservingly make it to an interview s/he's not qualified for based on academic merit, in which case s/he would get weeded out pretty quickly. I hire summer grads each year for my job, and I've come to realize that 90% of students who look good on paper are staggeringly stupid during the interview.

You definitely get better with practice: most new writers specialize in longer deadlines and work much the way they did as students, laboring for several days over every 10-pg paper.

I'm glad to hear this. Part of the reason I'm intrigued in essay writing is because I imagine it'll augment my own writing skills and critical thinking. Plus, I'm just generally interested in nearly everything. I think it would be kind of fun to spend some time each week learning about subjects completely unrelated to my career & hobbies.

I'm strictly interested in this as a way of making extra money; I like my current job and meet all my savings goals, but it would be amazing if I could make an extra $5k/year on the side for my various superfluous interests. Keeping that in mind, would you recommend I try to freelance on my own, or first sign up for one of the more legitimate writing companies? Also I'd like to try and keep myself as insular and anonymous as possible at first - do any companies allow you to sign up without providing loads of personal documentation? Ideally I'd like to give out an email address, paypal information, and a pseudonym.

The only objective "qualifications" you can provide are that you have a particular degree, but having a degree in most academic fields has little to do with how well you write, especially if you're writing in many more subject areas than your formal educational background.

I agree with this. In addition to degrees, I was thinking I could provide my GRE verbal scores; however this is also easily photoshopped and only really attests to my ability to correctly interpret difficult vocabulary based on context.

Thanks again for all the advice.
studenthelp  - | 1   Student
Mar 02, 2014 | #8
Hi Dreiser74,

I am a student and just stumbled across this thread... I would be happy to be one of your first clients! I have an essay due March 5th, if you are interested I can elaborate on details. Thanks!
OP Dreiser74  1 | 8   Freelance Writer
Mar 02, 2014 | #9
Great!

I want to make sure I'm complying with the conditions of this website, which I realize has some pretty strict anti-solicitations rule. Is it ok to privately contact another member and exchange information?

Is it also okay to publicly post an email address for contact purposes, or is that forbidden?

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On another note, how do writers here advertise? The sheer volume of garbage on the internet must make it difficult. Anyone can throw up a decent essay they found somewhere and take credit for it. The more I think about it, it would probably make more sense to work up an active presence (on a website such as this one), where at the very least potential customers are assured that somewhere in the world there's a human being capable of posting intelligently. Writing competently on a forum such as this one is in itself a form of advertisement, which is why I don't want to skirt any of the rules!
regifex  - | 1   Freelance Writer
Mar 02, 2014 | #10
I am a seasoned academic writer based in Pretoria South Africa with vast experience in technology, programming, economics, management and ethics. worked with academic companies in Canada, New York, Uk and Australia before feel free to request for samples before business at good prices at @gmail
zar writters  - | 2   Company Representative
Mar 13, 2014 | #11
There we want to look your samples.
writers2beware  29 | 1712 ☆☆  
Mar 13, 2014 | #12
Really? You want to "look their samples"? Get the fu*- out of the American writing industry, you unqualified hack.
RainbowDash  - | 4   Student
Mar 13, 2014 | #13
Even though I am just an ESL student from a South-East Asian country, I believe that the first reason that make me want to hire the writer service

is the first exchange with the writer. If I perceive that the writer is trying to sell his/her service too hard, I will not consider hiring this writer's service.

On the other hand, if the writer is showing confidence in what he does and not trying so hard too present his-herself, I would be more likely to have that person writer my assignment as I believe that this writer is a professional who has been in a game for a long time that he or she is not really need a new customer. To conclude, in my point of view, the writers that is not trying too hard to sell his service will gain customer trust as consumers will perceived that writers as being genuine not just another scam artistes.

Apology for my poor English in advance.
Cite  2 | 1853 ☆☆☆  
Dec 23, 2020 | #14
You do not put a time frame on the building of your client base. You just thank your lucky stars each time you get a repeat client, who refers a new client, who turns into a repeat client... You get the picture. You know your business is doing well, and you have a reliable client base when you have savings in the bank that can more than cover any dry season, or in this case, get you through a pandemic lock-down. Other than that, you can't really predict the length of time needed to grow the base.
FreelanceWriter  6 | 3089   ☆☆☆   Freelance Writer
Dec 23, 2020 | #15
if the writer is showing confidence ... and not trying so hard ... I would be more likely to ... believe that this writer is a professional who ... [does] not really need a new customer.

I always want as many new customers as possible, but not enough to answer questions already quite clearly answered in my FAQs, and not enough to jump through hoops to "prove" that I'm legit to new clients who are too skittish to test me with a short project, which happens to be the only way of really determining whether a writer is reliable and any good, because anybody can simply lie in response to questions. I've probably lost many potential clients by responding to their emails with a request that they read my FAQs (and the rest of my website) before asking me any questions. Sometimes, they actually respond by telling me that I need to work on my customer service skills. Other times, I hear back from them again a few weeks later after they get ripped off by some company that specializes in "customer service skills" -- until they have your money, that is -- rather than in actually writing good essays.

Last year, I explained to a new prospective client exactly how I needed him to send me project materials as Word or PDF files and when he did something totally different, such as by sending me 20 individual scans (or jpgs) of single pages one at a time, I told him that if he wanted to do business, he would have to follow my instructions. He responded with a nasty email telling me that he's the customer and that I needed to follow HIS instructions. Just a few weeks ago, someone contacted me and asked me to explain my qualifications, subject areas of competence, and my policies (all of which are detailed on my website). I responded (as usual) by asking her to please read my FAQs and just send me any project for which she wanted a price quote unless she had questions not specifically answered in my FAQs or addressed elsewhere on my site. I never received a response until a few days ago, by which time she'd received a totally useless essay from some essay company. She needed the same project now, but with only two days left to complete it before her deadline.
noted  8 | 2052 ☆☆☆☆☆  
Apr 21, 2024 | #16
It is more difficult to build a client base these days. Most students seem to think that AI is the answer to all their writing problems, which affected the independent and company connected writers. The jobs are far between these days, forcing the writers to actually pivot to other jobs already. Some are still sticking it out though. They have a client base that somehow still trusts them to do the job. Some, are just winding down their work orders before moving on. It is difficult to maintain the client base, and even more difficult to build a base these days. Unless you have a back up form of employment, you cannot do academic writing full time anymore these days.
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FreelanceWriter  6 | 3089   ☆☆☆   Freelance Writer
May 25, 2024 | #17
They have a client base that somehow still trusts them to do the job.

"Somehow"? The one way that a writer can maintain a client base is by consistently providing high-quality work. If clients weren't thrilled with the work they already received from a writer, they'd never continue using the same writer. Obviously, the recent proliferation of AI writing programs makes it more difficult to build a new client base, but for good writers, it has had almost no lasting effect on their existing client base. In fact, when their clients experiment with AI for one project, they come right back to their trusted writer as soon as they're able to compare the AI essay to their other essays.




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