Stupid foreigner writing in English!!

Reading hundreds of your posts I've realised that I'm only a stupid foreigner who tries to write in a foreign language! I am a potential exotic loser ;-)

But then, reading an old post from someone who's been fined $579 I've achieved wisdom.

Many sympathetic and benevolent "good native writers" have lynched "a foreigner" for not being "fluent enough" in the mother tongue (it does not matter if he is Indian and one of his official languages is indeed English).

Mulling over it and, pretending that I'm writing an argumentative, essay I concur to a certain degree with one of the "lynchers" (WritersBeware) who says:


But then again, I, who haven't been born in any English speaking country, who have studied and lived in London for a few years but English is not my L1 and it will never be good enough, HAVE I GOT THE RIGHT TO WRITE IN ENGLISH AND HAVE THE CHEEK TO BE PAID FOR IT?

I haven't got an instinctive language anymore. My native language has got fossilized over the years and my L2 (English) it will never be good enough because it does not come out naturally. Have I got a language? Have I got an identity? Am I allowed to write in English and charge money for it?

NOTE: If there is any correct grammar or vocabulary in my post it's thanks to the "word" corrector, the Spanish/English dictionary and to my beloved Thesaurus. I am the one to be blamed for any mistake.

Yours sincerely,

Fricative.

I don't think anybody here has ever questioned your right to write in any language you want as long as you're 100% honest with your customers about the nature and origin of your language skills. Our only beef here is with ESLs who think it's OK not to disclose that they're ESLs, because there's almost always a noticeable difference in language usage to a native ear. As an American, I have the exact same obligation not to misrepresent my nationality to UK cusomers: some have chosen to use me anyway, but others have decided that they prefer native UK writers. As an ethical professional, you have to give the customer that fair opportunity to make an informed choice. You may not think there's any difference but that's for the customer to decide, not you.

BRAVO!

I totally agree with both of you!
If I were the customer I would never choose someone like me or any foreigner... I'd choose any of you first!! beeelaiiimee!
You are native, you've got the right and the knowledge, don't ya??
And wots more imprtnt you know why the chicken crossed the road!! :-))))) I've got no idea mate (*READ as if it sounded with a glotal stop (a "hard attack", so u understand me) as if I had a cockney accent!!)

*READ ... or maybe the past participle was "readed"?? mhhh I've gotta think bout it...

I changed my mind: you have no right to write anything in English.

Love it!!

Leave the English essays to the native English "writers" (Writers???).
As I've just proved I am able to write as deficiently as any Englishman!!

I sincerely think (as I stated in my first post) that I'll never be able to be as literate as you are, but maybe the potential customers prefer someone who's got problems with cognates than someone who is "pub contaminated".

I've never seen a EFL learner writing "there" instead of "their".

By the way, this is not a war, it is just a humble opinion from a Spanish refugee...

Cor Blimey! You are bad.


How did you come up with that?! The least you could have done was drop the `h.'


An Eastender is more literate than you.


Yes ... a few `mates' here and there and all will assume you're a Brit ...


It always comes back to that, doesn't it? Native writers are so afraid of the `better quality for lower rates' offered by the non-native writers that they want them out. It isn't true. If your English is much better than that of the EDUCATED ESL student, you my write for ESL students. Unless, however, your English is equal to that of an educated native speaker, you may not write for Brits/Americans.

Despite the industry's having been overrun by barely literate `writers' (courtesy of Essaywriters, Academia Researchers, etc), experience shows that they are barely able to cut it:

1) Cultural differences: In a social work case study on cross-cultural marriages, an ESL writer concluded that the socio-psychological problems suffered by the female were `an outcome of her refusal to submit to male authority.' Quality control caught it and the essay was rewritten by a native speaker.

2) Educational differences: Each country has its own system of education. What would be considered a `pass' in one country may well be a `fail' in another. I'm fluent in French but would never dare write an academic essay for a French student as I know nothing of the French educational system. My point: an Indian who knows nothing of the British educational system should not be writing for British students.


Really? `Indian English' is very different from `English.'

I do not care if you think I'm a racist (because I'm not). What I care about is customers being told the truth and being given the choice.

I corroborate that I cannot write in English, and I think that is the reason why I haven't been able to explain myself from the beginning.

In my first post I quoted an excerpt from WB which, from my point of view, it couldn't be more accurate.
I won't write in English or in another language because, as I said from the beginning, my L1, L2 and L3 have got fossilized throughout the years.

Any English speaker (or even Finnish or Dutch) are extremely more literate in English than I'll never be (unless I go back to live in an English speaking country).

All my life (due to Franco's cultural leftovers) I've watched dubbed films...
I agree with all of you (even if it sounds incongruous) and I have never written in English in exchange for money (except from a couple of essays in "Myessays website", which customers have decided to buy them freely).

If I ever write anything in your language, it will definitely be corrected by a native English speaker (an Indian also counts).

I only disagree with you in one matter: A Glottal stop is also called a "HARD ATTACK".

Now, go ahead and correct my grammar, vocabulary and spelling mistakes (or "errors" as a SLA teacher would call them).

Self-contradictions or sarcasm?


Absolutely not!

You say that you cannot write in English and do not write professionally ... your English is a zillion times better than many who claim they can and do ...

You forgot your favourite: Psychopathy!

If I were to pay you, wouldn't you correct my text?? :-(( Too much work?

My favourite? In that case, ok - you are a psychopath.

WRT's English sucks.

Let's ignore this disguised non-native WRT and throw out of this forum ki*king on his a**.

I have not read all the replies to this post so someone might have already touched on this. I do not think anyone really minds where you are from as long as you are honest about it and your work is good. The problem I have with the company I work with is that obviously foreign writers claim to be American, English, Australian, etc when they do not even speak good enough English to work at MacDonalds.

OK. Now that I have read all the posts...

Fricative, while I agree with WRT that you write far better English than a lot of people that claim to be writers, It would have still have been obvious (if you had not said so yourself) that you are not a native speaker. If you wrote an essay for some of the buyers that do not bother to read and tweak essays before submission, it would be abvious to a professor or instructor that the essay was not written by a native speaker. For that reason, the ethical thing to do (as FreelanceWriter said), would be to at least inform the buyer that you are not a native speaker.

Personally, I would always inform about my non-native "condition" if I were to write a custom essay, however, I do not think that non-native speakers should be judged so freely.

Don't tar us all with the same brush. I know many "native" English who cannot write a correct sentence in English, notwithstanding I do not generalize, do I?

If I were to show you any of my essays you may be surprised about the non-native's talent, because it's not the same to write in a forum full of prejudices than spend hours concentrating on a subject and writing about it.

In my case, the task of writing academic essays is less unchallenging than writing a letter to my Irish mate, why? Because I, being Spanish, know many words which come from Latin. TOLERATE comes out naturally whereas "put up with" does not. Similarly, the verb INVESTIGATE is much easier for me to write than "look into". I'm pretty bad with slang.

Nevertheless, I do think that non-native speakers should inform their buyers about whom they are buying from.

if you're a good writer in English, you get upgrades, repeat customers, pay increases, etc. if you're not, you get downgrades, fines, warned, fired, etc. in case of the latter, unless you're living in denial, you get the point, and do something else for a living. these two paths can diverge or interlace anywhere there's the internet... deal.

I think you hit the nail on the head!

The owners of academia-research.com and essaywriters.net are ESL Ukrainians who are grossly unqualified to judge quality, sound, academic writing in the English language. That's the problem.

thanks, fricative. it's nice to see someone who has nuance and style around here, btw. if you can get sarcasm across through written English, you shouldn't be insecure about using it for the benefit of fools who can't do their own homework.

Mental Slavery Is...

Judging one by their skin and color when in actual sense they are more capable mentally and otherwise...

Different from physical slavery or physical bondage, mental slavery can be described as mental bondage. This moves into the different types of psychological dangers, including brainwashing and the downfall of individual autonomy. When someone shows a blind obedience to another person and shows faith that is obviously far removed from what you would expect from reasonable loyalty to a legitimate teacher, then this could be a sign of falling into the realm of mental slavery. Cults are well know to practice and use mental slavery on their followers.

Truth be told, I have seen instructional letters from clients asking my writers to dumb down their writing because their English grasp is L2 level. No problem with that. It is important to deliver the client requirements as indicated. If I need to find an L2 writer in my roster, then that is what I do. There are no stupid foreigners writing in English as far as I am concerned. That is because ESL students will never require a L1 level of English writing. They fear that they will get caught for having hired someone else to write their papers.

There is no such language as "English" anymore. The original / official language has been bastardized by the way various countries have used the language to better suit their mother tongue. That is why "English" varies depending upon the place where it is spoken or used in writing. British English is far different and removed from American English. Both are related to to, but still highly different from Indian English. No one is to say that any one of these English versions would be incorrect. These versions are correct, depending upon the speaker.

Think of it this way, the UK alone has several variations of English depending upon where you are at that time. Irish English would be different from Scottish English, with the English speakers from both areas ending up scratching their heads sometimes, owing to the differences in English word references / etymology. Imagine all those English differences to be found in the birthplace of the language itself.

So I disagree, there is no such thing as a stupid foreigner writing in English. Only varied English versions. So it is up to the student to find the writer that speaks his version of English for the paper he needs written for him. He should pay for the quality he expects to receive, and that includes the version of English to be used in his paper to better reflect his spoken English, which should be highly similar to his written English.