4WRITERS IS BAD NEWS! SOMETHING MUST BE DONE TO STOP THEM

Even though I have no experience with this company, I feel the pain that some of my fellow learned writers go through. Writing is not easy as it may seem, it requires a lot of efforts, time and dedication.

4WRITES seems to must have perfected the art of robbing writers hefty amount of dollars and going scout-free. With all due respect, this cannot be acceptable in a civilized society, and writers have the responsibility to make a difference.There has to be a starting point. Needless to mention that every problem has a befitting solution.

We writers can form a "Writers' bloc" to gain the strength that can enable us (writers) to deal with rogue companies, the caliber of 4writers. Unity is strength. It's only unfortunate that most members in this forum (unfortunately including me) have no dedicated mindsets for dealing with more constructive issues.We need to change this,dear members. Let's fulfill the very relevant purpose for which this site was actually designed to accomplish, "to eradicate scam."

It's high time we change the trend of deliberating utmost negligence to very serious issues - those that affect writers either directly or otherwise. Everyone here agrees that 4writers' continued existence in the writing industry is no-longer tolerable. Let's begin by doing the following:

-Recruiting union leader and his or her deputy
-Recruiting country representatives
-Formulating policies that can bind writers from across the globe etc.

Anyone seconding my proposal, before I proceed?

yes, i second you...very true.

Dear Heremeout,

I appreciate the initiative taken by you. If it happens, there would be nothing like that. But the question is what action can be taken against fraudulent companies such as 4writers.net? I have also been a victim of this bogus and cheat company. I would do whatever possible to bring the company and its employees, especially Megan and Greg, to justice. Please let me know if I can be of any assistance.

Regards,

Well,for this "union is strength strategy" to work for us, there are certain things writers must agree on. Writers must agree on:

The Problem at Hand: There is a problem that needs a solution
The Threshold Required to Win: There is no way we will win the war against fraud if we remain divided among ourselves
Feasible Legal Measures: There is need to pile more pressure on the relevant legal entities to take actions
The Binding Policies: There has to be binding policies
Standard Procedure for Evaluating Fraud Complaint : There has to be clearly stipulated procedures for tackling fraud complains raised by individuals

Next time we will be discussing the above mentioned in great details and one at a time. Advices from legal experts and Internet Security Personnel will be very much welcomed.Loosing the battle against scam is the last thing we want to achieve.Thank you for seconding.

Heremeout, i totally agree with you. Additionally, all rogue companies like Top-writers.net, topwriterlist, academia-research et cetera, should be on the limelight for the wrongs they have done to writers. But, how is it possible to get rid of them?

I am your fellow Kenyan. However, I am not a writer and exist on this forum just because I am a programmer (being one who has coded various websites that scam you for my clients).

The main reason why I joined this forum is to advise all writers to own their own websites from where they can get their few but directly-paying clients. Through this, you will never find such complains and proposals on how to form "unions" to fight over the internet. I mean it never works.

BTW, all those Heremont talked about are not companies. They are just websites owned by individuals. Ask for a proof and I will reveal it to you.

Once more, own your websites and you those companies will be closed because they are run by people who can not write professionally; you work for them.

It's nice to see we have Gurucoder, the Great, amongst us. We feel so safe and protected only because he is a member of this forum.

Gurocoder is a drooling moron.

He is the handsomest (self-proclaimed) programmer the computer has ever come in contact with and you're saying he is a...! Haha.

pure nonesense as usual, cant keep your dirty beak shut

Guru-Conman? Are you here with a solution or you are part of the problem? Besides, if I were to hire a programmer, I would rather forget about it than to hire you, don't ask me why. Now, here we are (once again) trying to brainstorm on how we can fix a problem that has been bedeviling deserving writers. Would you kindly please contribute accordingly and constructively, and stop breaching the rules of the forum - by unprofessionally advertising unsolicited services.Your assistance is most welcomed.

Problem: some companies scam writers. Solution: stop working for those companies.

Well, that was easy.

Oh, but you have more steps! Let's take a look:


Hmmm...."ourselves" includes qualified writers in the developed world, unqualified writers in the developed world, the very few qualified writers in the developing world (e.g. Kenya), and the many, many, MANY unqualified writers from the developing world (e.g., you). All of these groups have very different capabilities and very different needs, some of which are in direct conflict with each other. How exactly would any sort of union work?


Such as....the Kenyan national government? Oooh, I'll bet the Kiev police would be on this lickity split!


This is my favorite. It's so succinct, yet so pointless and repetitive. Almost poetic.


Most companies have these, the scams just don't adhere to them. Also, you're an idiot.

If I may ask without stirring up a hornet's nest here... are these payment delays related to alleged issues of work quality?

From browsing this forum just a bit a can tell there's an ongoing ruckus regarding ESL writers, and I really don't mean to wade into that. But just as a matter of plain fact, it's clear that in *some* cases you can tell by grammar, diction, idiomatic expressions, etc., that a writer is not a native speaker - and this may be something that a site operator or a client may find unacceptable.

(For what it's worth, I graded plenty of essays by non-native speakers when I was in grad school; most of the time I wouldn't have have known by the writing at all.)

I'm just wondering if I would need to worry about having problems with 4writer on the assumption that there will be no issues with my work. I've been writing for another company for about a month now with no problems - I won't name it in case that is against the forum rules, but it's American-based with a real office, actually mails me checks (kind of retro, lol!). I am, however, looking to expand the selection of essays I have to choose from so I don't have to work so far outside my own areas of interest as much.

It takes a monkey to catch a monkey.


Whatever you call me Mr. Njoroge, you have to stop the old Kenyan mentality of thinking that you can only work for someone and not for yourself. Be innovative and you will never be conned.


I won't ask you why and you know why.

Again, I did not request you to hire me. Why? I will inform you now. You cannot afford it my poor writer who cannot only think that the solution to problems is working for for the whites who always con you like 4writers did to you.

Tip: You will continue being conned until you re-think what I advised you to. Own your site. If you cannot program, hire the programmer in your nearest town and you will never "yell" on this forum about internet-based unions.

Note: You are stupid if you think working for a site whose owner you do not know will help you. Sincerely, how can you work for someone that you do not know and expect to be paid $5/page after one or two weeks after you completed the order. That is too foolish to take and I am sure you will not understand why that is foolish of you.

Actually, it takes a smarter being to catch a monkey. When the monkey is mentally deficient, it's even easier.

Why do I think that you are foolish? There must be a reason. Kindly find out.

You want me to "find out" why YOU think that I am foolish? Well, that's just plain foolish!

Yes, to justify that you are wiser than I am. If this defeats you, you need to shut your smelly beak and concentrate with working on your " writing jobs".

It's nearly impossible to have even a semi-intelligent interaction with you because you have no grasp of wit or humor.

I am not here to make humor with stupid MSword typists and writers like you. "The smelly beak" part must have drilled your ass hard enough. You call people names of all sorts and expect that to be humor or wit? It is none of those. Therefore, kindly go ahead with your dissertation or essay, whichever type of paper makes you have that megalomania you have. It is very clear that we do not share any niche yet it is you and your stupid ass that keeps following me.

I have interacted with many people. However, I have never met such a fool like you. In all the threads and posts that you post, you use abusive language to outwit others on this forum. Sincerely, is that a good way of claiming your heroism? You better keep-off my posts. Otherwise, my words will never spare you.

I know. You are here to make poo-poo on the floor in front of the potty.

I cower in the shadow of your greatness.

WritersBeware
You are just a silly kid that pretends to be a grown-up. BTW that paper will be late. Mind to complete in a timely manner silly writer.

EARTH TO MORON: I have stated countless times that I do not writers papers for students. Wake up.

Okay. Please never do it. Because you will not satisfy them.

LOL. Who in your opinion can satisfy them?

Worked with them for a few months. Although they declare $4-15 per page, the average almost certainly stays $4. Thus, my monthly earnings dropped right around to the low watermark of starvation. Were giving me promises of access to "higher level orders" if I kept working hard, but were reluctant to do so and generally - failed to recognize my potential (from previous 3 years of professional academic writing). Very ignorant of serious issues, the writer is always wrong.

Make an appeal of a big company, have grammar and essay quality checks done by "professionals". There is a regional manager who is kind of friendly towards you, but his peers and higher-rank managers are simply despotic and fine or suspend you in case of any stand up for oneself. The friendly manager I had was simply desperate to look "professional", and several times told a certain phrase on the phone to me: "you made us look like complete idiots"; he sounded very upset when saying it, so my guess is that he was pretty much hung up on it. In all cases, these were minor screw ups, e.g. the editor has severely broken my .doc files formatting, especially the ones with a table of contents, fancy heading styles and lots of math formulas. What I meant is they all seem to have perverse ideas of what "professional" actually is.

Are ok with payments, and do the last payment despite the fact you are certainly not going to work for them anymore. Although, there might be some slight delays.

articice what type of topics do you write on? I may have a couple of good leads for you if you'd like. Let me know :)

I totally agree with you, we have to take a step towards our writing procedure and developing some writing issues and deal with more constructive issues. Gaining strength of writing is very essential for a writer because due to this strength they can be able to write in more proper and innovative ways.

This is what I have been saying all along. We all have a common enemy yet some forum members choose to fight with one another or pull down the new comers instead. There are bigger problems in the industry that need addressing. Instead, the other members of this forum (who shall not be named since they know who they are) would rather try to bully and harass others into leaving the forum because their attackers fear competition. They do not know if they can survive in an industry where someone better may come along and unintentionally cut into their profits.

Technically, someone better did not come along too cut into their profits. The bright coding minds developed AI and the first target of the code was academic essay writing. They used that field to show people how well the AI could research and write a professionally worded paper. Unfortunately, the AI back then did not pass muster. However, the AI technology in place these days indicates that AI is slowly getting better at writing academic essays and, the codes can actually help the students become better writers, without the aid of a human on the other end. Companies like 4writers will eventually go out of business because their writers lack the training needed to stay ahead of the AI competition.

Right now, AI programs still "write" atrociously. However, if they eventually generate writing equivalent to that of good human writers, all of us will be out of business, not just essay companies such as the one referenced in this thread.