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korrupshun  4 | 4  
Apr 23, 2009 | #1
Essay Topic Title - Derrida, Plato, Foucault, Aristotle

Number of Sources - 4

Essay Topic

Please respond to the following question in the form of a short essay of 1000 words
maximum: It is sometimes said that Plato is to Derrida as Aristotle is to Foucault.
What do you think? (To respond to this question, you;ll need to summarize relevant
points from all four theorists and organize your paper schematically and carefully.
One could write a dissertation in response but not in this context! Try to cut to
the chase and construct a logical argument in response to this cryptic challenge.
You may use, but are not limited to the material in the Norton Anthology of Theory
and Criticism). Recommended Sources: Plato - Ion; Phaedrus; Republic Derrida - Of
Grammatology (1967); Dissemination (1972) Aristotle - Poetics; Rhetoric Foucault -
What is an Author? (1969); Discipline and Punish: The Birth of The Prison (1975);
Truth and Power (1977)

These appear to be written by ESL students who don't know how to use spell check.
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humble  2 | 247  
Apr 23, 2009 | #2
hmmm the middle one has no citations at the end? did you forget to paste here or was it sent to you without citations?
OP korrupshun  4 | 4  
Apr 23, 2009 | #3
No citations or works cited list were given

Where you see the stars is where someone deleted the word College Essay Editor.
humble  2 | 247  
Apr 23, 2009 | #4
Philosophy is built on disagreement and the careful and skeptical analysis of other viewpoints, and most of civilization's greatest philosophers find themselves in disagreement with other leading thinkers quite often, if not absolutely every time they advance a theory.

Philosophy indeed! :D

Korrupshun: The writer could be a native speaker and may be made these mistakes in a rush. Writers are prone to mistakes that is why proofreaders exist. Nevertheless, the paper is of poor quality. But you can not do anything. You agree to get screwed. A fraudulent company would do that without telling you, however a legit company would take your consent first.

LMAO
OP korrupshun  4 | 4  
Apr 23, 2009 | #5
Ok, some1 is deleting my posts, so this one will probably be next. I was trying to give you ppl what I think is a good reason to write your own papers. So much for that
humble  2 | 247  
Apr 23, 2009 | #6
Don't worry I took prints of the web page before it was censored :D
Major  35 | 1449 ☆☆  
Apr 23, 2009 | #7
These appear to be written by ESL students who don't know how to use spell check.

Why do you think so? I see nothing wrong with the papers. Are they plagiarized or something?
humble  2 | 247  
Apr 23, 2009 | #8
Major my eyes are hurting so I cant read all of them. Just a quick skim revealed several instances of poor usage, poor sentence structure and grammatical errors.

"Philosophy is built on disagreement and the careful and skeptical analysis of other viewpoints, and most of civilization's greatest philosophers find themselves in disagreement with other leading thinkers quite often, if not absolutely every time they advance a theory."

this is from the middle one. It is an example of pathetic expression. Too many points squeezed into one sentence. This is definitely not by a native speaker. Well it could be.

LOL
WritersBeware  
Apr 23, 2009 | #9
Humble, I agree with Major, in general. The first paper is very questionable. However, there are no significant problems whatsoever with the second and third papers. You need to get your false accusations in check.

"Philosophy is built on disagreement and the careful and skeptical analysis of other viewpoints..."

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that sentence, neither grammatically nor intellectually. You should not comment on the writing proficiency of others, as your commentary has proven that you are not qualified to judge.

It is an example of pathetic expression. Too many points squeezed into one sentence.

You are completely wrong.
humble  2 | 247  
Apr 23, 2009 | #10
I will ask one of my linguist friends to comment on it :)
WritersBeware  
Apr 23, 2009 | #11
Any qualified, native English-speaking writer will confirm that my statements are true.
humble  2 | 247  
Apr 23, 2009 | #12
A bad expression does not mean it is grammatically incorrect.
WritersBeware  
Apr 23, 2009 | #13
In no way is it "a bad expression," either. You may think that to be the case because you were taught an ESL form of English, but you are wrong.

Your false statements about "poor quality" are inexcusable.

These appear to be written by ESL students

The paper written by College Editor shows absolutely no signs whatsoever of an "ESL" writer. In fact, the writing is excellent, to which any impartial person will surely attest. Similarly, I see no evidence of "ESL" writing in the paper by CP. You obviously have some sort of foul agenda to defame, with subsequent help from Humble.

I have already contacted College Editor and plan to contact CP, as well. Korrupshun, you are guilty of both defamation and Federal copyright infringement. I assume that you'll be hearing from the attorneys of at least one of the companies very soon.
humble  2 | 247  
Apr 23, 2009 | #14
You may think that to be the case because you were taught an ESL form of English, but you are wrong.

Sample WritingGuesswork!
What made you wonder I was taught an ESL form of English?

And that expression is poor :D

It is obvious that you are paid by someone to promote and defend College Editor here.

If you do not agree with any of our terms and conditions, or intend to commit any form of academic fraud by not properly citing our service as a reference, you may NOT do business with our company.

5. Copyright Notice: All Materials are protected by copyright law and by international treaties. Aside from a reasonable number of copies for personal use, you may not otherwise reproduce, distribute, publicly perform, publicly display, or create derivative works of this material, unless authorized by Custom College Editor and/or its affiliates/partners.

Is there a legit company that would actually sell the material with copyrights?
WritersBeware  
Apr 23, 2009 | #15
Guesswork!
What made you wonder I was taught an ESL form of English?

Do you deny it? I can tell from your writing. You're NOT American, and your native language is NOT English. In fact, you admit on your user page that you are not American:

"Location: I am not from US"

If I had to guess, I'd go with Pakistani. Why? You've commented on local concerns in Pakistan. For example:

***** People have brought bad name not only to the Pakistani writers but to the whole industry.

That sentence was obviously typed by an ESL person, by the way.

And that expression is poor :D

So, you think you're more qualified to judge? Prove it. What's your precise justification? I'll tell you exactly why you are stone-cold wrong.

It is obvious that you are paid by someone to promote and defend College Editor here.

Here we go again-you post lies, I prove you wrong, and then you start with the false accusations because you can't handle me in a legit debate. First of all, you have absolutely ZERO proof to support your ignorant accusation. Secondly, I defended TWO papers against your false accusations, one from each of TWO different companies. Why do you not accuse me of working for CP, as well?

The only thing that is "obvious" is that I am going to embarrass you if you insist on challenging me to prove who's correct about the overall quality of the papers.

A fact is a fact. Two of the three papers that you irresponsibly referred to as "poor" are anything but "poor." I'd grade one as "good" and one as "excellent." Major echoed that obvious fact before I even posted in this thread!

If I had to guess, I'd go with Pakistani.

Well, what do you know? I was correct.
humble  2 | 247  
Apr 24, 2009 | #16
I attended a school that has British English as medium of instruction.

Why do you not accuse me of working for CP, as well?

May be you work for SRE and your primary job is to create this USP (Legit American) for College Editor. This is because they have loaded terms. They can resell the papers, they will retain the copyrights, the purchaser has to delete the paper. The purchaser can only read and cite the paper if any part of it is used in any form. May be CP is owned by SRE or is an affiliate of SRE so you could defend them as well.

There is a probability! and there definitely is.
WritersBeware  
Apr 24, 2009 | #17
What made you wonder I was taught an ESL form of English?

What happened to this brazen denial?

I am a Pakistani.

Whoops!

I attended a school that has British English as medium of instruction.

Whoops!

Bit of advice, humble: don't start a fight with me, and you won't get embarrassed.
humble  2 | 247  
Apr 24, 2009 | #18
You know what whenever something comes up that hints at a possible relationship between you and SRE or its affiliates, you overreact.

What happened to this brazen denial?

I just questioned your logic. I was not taught an ESL form of English. I also graduated from an American university. My works have been excepted by American and British clients. I am not here to promote myself or any organization that I work for.

Why do you have an issue if someone has a negative opinion about a certain company? or if someone violates Copyrights.

Time to hit the bed you can get back to work in the morning :)
OP korrupshun  4 | 4  
Apr 24, 2009 | #19
HAha, ya, I'm sure they're gonna pay retainers to sue for copyright infringement on 100 dollar essays. Way to go, stoolie. Hmm, 2500 posts and a finking law-lover... OCPD anyone? Anywho, I just posted these for the benefit of other prospective buyers. I hope they stay on here a while so folks can judge for themselves if they're legitimate or not. I still think they're poorly written given I specified college level or higher when ordering. I won't be back again, so gas up your flamethrowers and fire away.
WritersBeware  
Apr 24, 2009 | #20
You know what whenever something comes up that hints at a possible relationship between you and SRE or its affiliates, you overreact.

There was no "hint." You made a blatantly false accusation. What-you expect me to look the other way? Sorry, won't happen. Keep your baseless jabs in check, and I won't have to react.

I just questioned your logic.

Yes, and I explained my logic quite clearly. I also proved that I was correct.

I was not taught an ESL form of English.

Your first language is not English. Therefore, you were taught an "ESL form" of English. ESL instruction is not the same as English instruction for children whose first language is English. For example, ESL instructors often have to overcome serious pronunciation problems in the pupils' existing language. Verb/object/subject placement in English may also be different. Native learners do not have to overcome any "bad habits" as part of a transition to English. Native learners have a clean slate; hence, the form of instruction is much more clean and straightforward.

Why do you have an issue if someone has a negative opinion about a certain company?

You did not post an "opinion." You posted a clear misrepresentation. There is absolutely nothing of noticeably "poor" quality about Papers 1 and 2. Major brought that fact to light, and I verified it.
humble  2 | 247  
Apr 24, 2009 | #21
Yes, and I explained my logic quite clearly. I also proved that I was correct.

You have a comprehension problem there. I did not learn English as a second language. And you were wrong because I grew up with British English and not Pakistani.

The second paper is without citations. A paper that does not give credit or lacks proper citations is plagiarized be it intentional or unintentional.
WritersBeware  
Apr 24, 2009 | #22
You have a comprehension problem there.

Uh oh, don't break Rule #5 just because you're getting frustrated with your losing argument.

I did not learn English as a second language. And you were wrong because I grew up with British English and not Pakistani.

Not only did I know for a fact that you are an ESL writer, I guessed correctly that you are Pakistani. Do you think it was a lucky guess on both accounts? Nope. I was able to immediately recognize the ESL nature of your writing; specifically, your writing includes mistakes that are common to native speakers of Hindi and Urdu.

The second paper is without citations.

There are three possible reasons for the absence of a bibliography in Paper #2:

1. not necessary, as the text is strictly the product of the writer's knowledge and there are no direct citations;
2. not requested and/or paid for by the client;
3. not included by the poster.

In short, your "plagiarism" statement could not possibly be any more incorrect. Please tell me that that poppycock is not how you are now going to try to justify your "poor quality" accusations, as well as your accusations that the company is not legitimate and that it "screwed" the customer. Why don't you simply admit that you blatantly mischaracterized the quality of those 2 papers and issued false accusations?
humble  2 | 247  
Apr 24, 2009 | #23
can u list those common mistakes

Do you think it was a lucky guess on both accounts?

Take your time and find out what such common mistakes are. Then point out wherever you find them in my posts. Let every one see your 'fact based evidence'.

Happy Hunting!
WritersBeware  
Apr 24, 2009 | #24
Sorry, but I won't be wasting any more of my time in proving you wrong. Been there, done that. I proved that my methods are valid by correctly stating that you are an ESL writer AND, specifically, an ESL writer of Pakistani descent. The proof is in the pudding.

The main point of my posts in this thread is that you made clear misrepresentations about two of the Papers and the companies that provided those papers. There is no excuse for your defamation. You should prove that you have integrity by admitting that you made unjust misrepresentations.
humble  2 | 247  
Apr 25, 2009 | #25
Had I not disclosed my location and nationality, there was absolutely no way for you to find out.

I was able to immediately recognize the ESL nature of your writing; specifically, your writing includes mistakes that are common to native speakers of Hindi and Urdu.

You can immediately recognize (LOL) so there is no need to search and waste time. I would give you more space. Just list the common writing mistakes that an ESL writer of Pakistani decent would make. You would be wasting time only if you try to find those mistakes in my posts, If in the first place you are able to list those immediately recognizable mistakes.

You need to decide which paper has problems. In one post you said the first and second have no problem and in another you said the second and third have no problem.

There is absolutely nothing of noticeably "poor" quality about Papers 1 and 2. Major brought that fact to light, and I verified it.

[qoute=WritersBeware]The first paper is very questionable. However, there are no significant problems whatsoever with the second and third papers. You need to get your false accusations in check.[/quote]
The facts are:
1)The 2nd papers lacks a a list of references at the end. There are references to Poetics and Republic in the text. There should have been full citations at the end.

2)As claimed by the customer 4 sources were requested.
3) I confirmed if the he/she forgot to paste the references here and here is the response.

WB you may have always been right but you just lost here. Now stop whining and move on!

3) I confirmed if the he/she forgot to paste the references and here is the response.
humble:
(made a typo :P)
WritersBeware  
Apr 25, 2009 | #26
WB you may have always been right but you just lost here. Now stop whining and move on!

Since the customer posted the paper here and privacy is obviously not a concern for the customer, I have emailed the company to request a copy of the customer's order specs. We'll just see what the customer did and did not request.

WB you may have always been right but you just lost here.

That is HILARIOUS.

Humble, I bet you feel just fantastic about yourself, having pointed-out a TYPO in one of my posts (Papers 2 and 3 are the solid papers). Congratulations on that monumental victory. LMAO!

Feel free to entertain yourself with your senseless, nonsensical ramblings. You are no match for me, and I will not waste a second more of my time on you.
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Apr 25, 2009 | #27
Feel free to entertain yourself with your senseless, nonsensical ramblings.

Redundant. Sorry, couldn't resist.

Oh, and before you go off shooting "No.. of course they're not redundant! I'm a master of the English language and nonsensical has an entirely different meaning from senseless" let me just point out that "ridiculous" would have been a better word choice for that meaning of nonsensical that you would be referring to.

Have a nice day. ^___^
humble  2 | 247  
Apr 25, 2009 | #28
The fact remains. You were simply unable to back your statement with any sort of evidence.
This following statement was slander. If you think otherwise please provide evidence.

"Privacy Policy

We do not save or store customer information.

We delete all order information after emailing our product to the customer."

Feel free to entertain yourself with your senseless, nonsensical ramblings. You are no match for me, and I will not waste a second more of my time on you.

I never claimed such a thing.
WritersBeware  
Apr 25, 2009 | #29
"ridiculous" would have been a better word choice

1. Wrong.

2. Your posts, in general, are replete with so many mistakes that there's not enough time in a day to even entertain the possibility of publicly correcting them.

3. It takes infantile desperation to even mention that instance of word choice. That would be like me bringing attention to the fact that in the same sentence in which you incorrectly "schooled" me, you ended that sentence with a preposition.

This following statement was slander.

Educate yourself.

1. Slander is VERBAL.

2. My statement is 100% true, and I proved it, despite your attempted smokescreen. You're just mad because I was correct.

Privacy Policy

Providing the poster's ORDER SPECIFICATIONS to me, minus the poster's name or any other personal details, in no way violates the company's privacy policy, especially since the customer admittedly violated the contract that he signed with the company by publishing the paper here. Nice try, though.
humble  2 | 247  
Apr 25, 2009 | #30
Providing the poster's ORDER SPECIFICATIONS to me,

They should have already deleted all information related to the order. I believe they do not falsely advertise that, "We delete all order information after emailing our product to the customer."

Slander is VERBAL

Legally yes. Slander was not appropriate there.

You did not provide any proof! You just made a sweeping statement based on the limited knowledge that you have regarding my person, which I myself provided.

I am still waiting for a single IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZABLE mistake that speakers of Hindi/Urdu make.
WritersBeware  
Apr 25, 2009 | #31
I am still waiting for a single IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZABLE mistake that speakers of Hindi/Urdu make.

Again, you're just mad because I was correct. I knew absolutely NOTHING about you when I posted those statements. You denied my assertions and made false accusations against me; I simply did what it took to PROVE that my assertions about you are correct.

You must have missed it, but I clearly explained to you that I will not waste my time pointing out all of your inherently ESL writing mistakes, some of which are especially common in native writers of Hindi and Urdu. In addition to wasting my time, I would be HELPING you by providing that critical information, which you do not deserve after having made false accusations against me.

In general, you seem like a decent person. I really do not want to get abrasive with you. I suggest that we cease this useless spat.
humble  2 | 247  
Apr 25, 2009 | #32
I will not waste my time pointing out all of your inherently ESL writing mistakes, some of which are especially common in native writers of Hindi and Urdu

I only ask you to let everyone know one such mistake, if not few. I am not asking you to point out in my posts. The reason I am so confidently asking you to bring evidence is because there is no credible study in my knowledge that deals with the subject. So you must have made that statement on the basis of your experience.

The point is you made false accusations against me too. I did not challenge your statement about my nationality. I challenge your statement that I make IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZABLE mistakes that are common to people from this region. You also without any proof claim that I am a native speaker Urdu/Hindi. It is dumb to assume that every American speaks and writes English as first language when a sizable population of the United States does not even understand functional English.

So did they give you the order details?
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Apr 25, 2009 | #33
1. Wrong.

It takes infantile desperation to even mention that instance of word choice.

Hahaha... yet no proof is provided? :P See, here's another instance where I definitely kicked your sorry arse. I'm going to keep count from now on so that I can give you a number when you question me about it.

Times EW_Writer kicked WB's arse since April 20, 2009: 2.
WritersBeware  
Apr 25, 2009 | #34
you must have made that statement on the basis of your experience

Absolutely correct-I never suggested otherwise. Experience from my previous job serves me quite well in identifying linguistic tendencies of different groups.

The point is you made false accusations against me too.

No, I didn't. I stated that you are not a native speaker of the English language, and I was correct. You learned English, in a British school in Pakistan, after having learned Urdu/etc. in the home, right?

It is dumb to assume that every American speaks and writes English as first language

I'd love for you to quote where I made such a claim.

So did they give you the order details?

No response yet.

Hahaha... yet no proof is provided?

Proof of what-that you're infantile? Your incessant fascination with me and stalking is pathetic.

I definitely kicked your sorry arse

It's all in your head, pal.

Where did the Rule #5 whiners go?
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Apr 26, 2009 | #35
Sigh... there must be a term for what you have (the neurotic inability to admit one's mistakes), but as I'm not a psychiatrist, I don't know what it is and I'm too lazy to google it. :)
WritersBeware  
Apr 26, 2009 | #36
Sigh . . . . Please seek help for your obsession with me.

By the way, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with or improper about the wording that I chose. Don't blame me because your vocabulary is painfully limited. LMAO! Allow me to educate you a bit:

"Senseless" and "nonsensical" are absolutely NOT the same word. Yes, they share some similar "definitions" and, in certain situations, may be used interchangeably, but in the context in which I used them together, they carry completely different meanings. I used "senseless" to indicate that the argument is silly and a complete waste of time. I then used the secondary adjective, "nonsensical," to indicate that the actual words and arguments COMPRISING that argument do not make sense.

Now, EW_writer, please leave me alone so that I do not have to continually show why nobody should hire you. To state that you are unqualified is an understatement. Thank you for the FINE example.
humble  2 | 247  
Apr 26, 2009 | #37
Even if you said this based on your experience, the statement is not backed by facts. You have failed to list even a single IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZABLE mistake that is made by native speakers of Urdu/Hindi. You have wasted days because you simply do not know and Google would not help you. It only takes a few seconds to list an IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZABLE mistake from ones experience.

For example, ESL instructors often have to overcome serious pronunciation problems in the pupils' existing language.

True. I am not a news caster. I have no pronunciation problems I can communicate well.

One in 5 American's do not speak English at home. It is a fact. I never said you claimed such a thing.
I can academically and legally challenge you that my writing skills are better than many native speakers of English.

Even the legit companies do not ask what language one speaks at home. They only look at the writing skills and verify location. I can bet there must be writers working with legit companies who do not speak English as their first language. Every person who does not speak English as first language DOES NOT necessarily write garbage or anything academically inferior.
WritersBeware  
Apr 26, 2009 | #38
See, now we get to the REAL reason why you're pissy. I would absolutely LOVE for you to quote where I made such a generalization. You are irresponsibly attacking me without having taken the time to read my previous posts or simply ASK me to clarify my position for the 10,000th time. On numerous occasions, I have clearly and explicitly stated that not all ESL writers are "unqualified." My problem is with the UNQUALIFIED, ESL writers who LIE about their qualifications in order to fool American customers. So, if you are neither a crook nor an UNQUALIFIED, ESL writer, you have no reason to be offended.
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Apr 26, 2009 | #39
'Nuff said. ^_^

Oh wait.. no, you even got the definitions mixed up. >.<

Silly = ridiculous = nonsensical.

Sigh... and YOU'RE the English language expert? o.O
WritersBeware  
Apr 26, 2009 | #40
I now repeat my previous explanation since you obviously do not know when to stop an embarrassingly lost argument.




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