About The Student Essay Writing Advisor Group

Well, I got to thinking that maybe one of these fraudulent essay companies wanted to make itself look legit by claiming that it was recommended by Student Essay Writing Advisor.

I suggested that they may have created Essay Writing Advisor to make certain companies look bad and others look good.

Now i am kicked off... makes you wonder.

I don't think you're from "Nambia" so just because of that I would ban you since your posts are as likely to be fake. No wonder other forum mods ban you, too.

I'm not surprised you were kicked off. All websites are owned and operated by someone and that person gets to decide what they want on their website.

I wouldn't be remotely surprised if a website protected companies that it was associated with in some way; it's instinct to protect those closest to you.

I think that a good proportion of posts online about essay companies are actually posted by people who own or work for essay companies: it's very easy to post a message saying 'I'm a student and this company is great' - nobody knows whether the poster is a student or in fact works for the essay company being promoted. Similarly, posts saying 'this company is terrible' may well be posted by business rivals of the company concerned.

If you visit several websites that allow people to post feedback on essay companies then you are more likely to get a clearer picture of the company you are looking into. It's always worth bearing in mind though that just because you can't see any negative posts about a company doesn't mean there has never been any on that site. Some of the sites that I visit are very entertaining to keep an eye on for the speed at which offending posts (ie any complaint or negative comment made about one or two companies) are removed while dozens of highly suspect comments remain about other companies.

If you want to be able to post anything you like about any company then set up your own website :)

Or a blog - I can give you some tips on that if you ask.

"If you want to be able to post anything you like about any company then set up your own website."

I don't think so. There's a little thing called libel. They can post whatever they like, and they can lose every penny, too. The legal system is cracking down on forums and blogs. People are getting sued for millions.

"I suggested that they may have created Essay Writing Advisor to make certain companies look bad and others look good."

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And you wonder why you were banned? You think you can show up someplace and post ridiculous accusations? Did you provide any proof whatsoever? I doubt it.

I would have banned you even faster!

I don't think it is beyond the realm of possibility that someone could create a website to covertly promote one or two companies and disparage others in the same business. As I'm not connected with the website concerned in this thread, I've no idea whether the allegation is ridiculous in this case; I've also no idea if it is true either.

It is a matter for the person posting the comment to be able to defend any allegations or comments that they post.

My suggestion that if he wants to post anything he likes he should get his own website is reasonable. Of course he would still have to be able to defend any comments that he makes but at least he would have editorial control of what appeared on his own website.

Amy1978 you seem to always defend Essay Writing Advisor and post information related to Essay Advisor, for all we know you're affiliated with them. Could the admin check Amy1978 to Essay Advisors accounts on this forum and see if their ips match?

"And you wonder why you were banned? You think you can show up someplace and post ridiculous accusations? Did you provide any proof whatsoever? I doubt it."

I sure as hell do not trust their so called verification screening.


How do we even know that these sites that Student Essay Advisor allows to display their logo have even passed this verification process? They just expect us to believe them? We have no idea who runs Essay Advisor, so therefore why should we trust them? This whole verification process could be a hoax so a small number of term paper mills can force out their foreign competition and direct more customers to their sites to increase sales. Then they hide behind their disclaimers, tell us "Buy American", and claim they are a watch dog group.

Lastly Essay Writing Advisor claims they do not make recommendations. When im fact they do.

Strangely enough, on their forum at Essay Advisor that the administrators of your forum do encourage "students" to use so called "approved web sites."

Proof they are trying to destroy their foreign competition.

Now I ask everyone to read all the information and ask yourself how you feel about Essay Advisor. This is the point were Student Advisor or amy comes in on this thread and claims I work for some paper mill and trying to spread lies. I've seen them do it on other forums when people talk about Essay Advisor.

I'm also not sure about the 'verification' process at all. I don't know who is behind the site so have no idea if their 'verification' means anything.

I know that an American company that I have used occasionally (and is quite good) isn't verified by this site and when I asked the essay company about it they said they had never sought verification. I guess you can read whatever you like into that.

Your welcome BenCole, before I make accusations I try to gather the facts.

"gantoris", it seems you tried to register on the Essay Advisor or any other site, intentionally posted a bogus or nonsense message so that you could do a screen shot and libel them on other forums.

How do you know that Major? I'm curious.

Who else takes screen-shots of forum messages? Why would a normal poster need them other than to used it against them somehow?

I do for one! I'm writing my dissertation on the essay writing business and online forums. I frequently take screen shots from websites as for some reason posts do occasionally disappear.

Sorry, I took it from the tone of your post that you knew what Gantoris was doing based on previous experience rather than you were surmising.

I don't see a problem with his screen posts unless he has doctored the replies by the company as these are essentially all he is showing.

This "gantoris" person joined on October 26 and every one of his posts has attacked Student Essay Advisor. Seems like sour grapes to me. One might assume that he is a foreign paper mill owner that has been denied verification by Essay Advisor because his site is not legit.

The links he has posted are not proof of anything. Those are just blog and forum posts of know-it-all people talking out of their asses, just like him. Not to mention that they are all nearly a year old.

As I have said before, I like Student Essay Advisor. Every time someone with an agenda, like you gantoris, comes here to post crap, I'm going to counter. Deal with it.

You call Essay Advisor a "hoax"? Can you please explain then why at least 25 completely different companies in the United States, Britain, and Canada have been verified?

In fact, in looking at only the first couple of Yahoo pages, almost every legit company that I've heard of has been verified.

Can you also show my where Essay Advisor says anything about "Buy American"? I don't see that anywhere.

You seem to be really affectionate towards the shady foreign sites that rip people off. Why?

You go to these lengths to defend a website simply because you "like" them?

Must be nice to have friends like that!

Too bad gantoris is completely skewing the facts here, too.

In the first pic, Student Essay Advisor simply answered a direct question about ab term papers. This gantoris character is making it seem like Essay Writing Advisor was asked "what sites are good," and then just came up with ab term papers. Wrong.

In the second pic, take note of the date of May 16, 2006. I know for a fact that the Student Essay Advisor moderators stopped making any such statements many months ago because I asked them for a recommendation back in July and they said they couldn't do that.

Ben, do you have anything concrete to add, or are you just going to backup the ripoff site supporter who has no facts?

Bencole,

My point is - Essay Advisor or this site are not providing writing services. So how come a "regular poster" knows "so much" about a non-profit organization and follows it to post the same links over and over again? What is his/her interest? I'm positive "gantoris" is one of the essay writing company owners. Do you know any other person who is posting slander against, let' say, the Red Cross or an Anti Abortion Foundation?

"Proof they are trying to destory their foreign competition."

What a complete tool.

All they did was post a Yahoo "Site Explorer" URL showing sites that link to them, and I can see right now that there are American, British, and Canadian sites in the list.

I enjoyed reading Amy1978's comments but I simply don't believe that anyone would post so vigorously in defense of an organization that they were not connected with.

Ah, and you just happened to sign up right now to post that comment? Give me a break.

You seem to have misunderstood me. I'm not backing any one up. I'm simply interested.

I do find it fascinating when people get so fired up and passionate in responding to posts when they say that they have no connection with the company or organization that is being complained about. I could understand it if the post was criticizing a movie star or a sports hero but what is it about an essay forum that makes you want to fight tooth and nail for it? I simply don't understand.

As for Gantoris' posts, he may be connected with an ESL essay company as you say, or he may not. As I've no connection to Gantoris or to the website he has complained about I'm unable to determine what his motivations are. I'm grateful that he has posted some links as it has provided me with further information for my research. I take on board your points about the credibility of the links but I am still interested to read them.

So Ben, are you writing your dissertation on the essay writing business yourself or have a company write it for you? When you want to be objective I would assume you have to write it yourself (or you'll only have dubious content like provided by "radio" or "gantoris"..

My dissertation will be written 100% by me. I have always written the assignments for my major subject myself, Major. I have used essay companies before, both in the UK and USA, but these were for my minor (what we call subsidiary) subjects which were basically course units that I had no interest in but needed to complete to graduate; it was my experience in using these companies that got me interested in this topic as a research area.

As for dubious content, I treat all posts on message boards and forums, even yours, as being dubious as I'm unable to confirm the identity of the poster. I've posted before on this website that with any post you have to be aware that the writer may be misrepresenting himself/herself to promote a particular company / sabotage a company's rivals.

Just out of interest what is your interest in essay companies / forums? You've posted previously that you are not in the essay business but you don't come across as a student. Essay companies / forums is obviously a topic that interests you as you've made 34 posts on the matter!

I run a political blog and my interest is in anything that is controversial. I find both academic dishonesty or anti-plagiarism software systems controversial so I post here. But then as you say - treat my posts as being dubious, but I don't mind that.

Is your blog something that you could post a link to here? I'd be interested to read it. I read some UK political blogs and find this one especially interesting iaindale.blogspot.com/ but it may well be less appealing to someone outside of the UK.

Well, my blog is invitation-only (my posts are somewhat controvertial and I don't feel like public to know about it). But if admin has your email I may give them my permission to contact you in my name.

They have my e-mail.

Told you amy would claim I work for some paper mill. Her replies clearly show she works for Student Essay Advisor. I doubt amy is even a she, probably a guy.


As for taking the screen shots, it was just in case Essay Advisor removed those threads.


Umm, Amy look at the second photo. It was right in front of you.

I love how the facts make Amy go into defense mode. This is just funny.

Told you amy would claim I work for some paper mill. I doubt amy is even a she, probably a guy.


As for taking the screen shots, it was just in case Student Essay Advisor removed those threads.


Umm, Amy look at the second photo. It was right in front of you.

I love how the facts make Amy go into defense mode. This is just funny.


No prob BenCole, I can provide u with more information about Essay Advisor if you need it. I'm currently researching this supposed "watch dog" group myself.

You're just going to repeat the same junk that your paper mill buddies have used. Hurry up, let's see it!

"I love how the facts make Amy go into defense mode. This is just funny. "

You haven't provided a single fact. I have already proved that you pulled your so-called "facts" out of your ***.

Student Essay Advisor spurned you. Now THAT is funny. Just get over it so that I don't have to embarrass you any more.

"Umm, Amy look at the second photo. It was right in front of you."

Umm, genius, since you appear to be unable to understand simple text until reading it multiple times, here you go:

"In the second pic, take note of the date of May 16, 2006. I know for a fact that the Essay Advisor moderators stopped making any such statements many months ago because I asked them for a recommendation back in July and they said they couldn't do that."

Since gantoris succeeded in pi--ing me off, I just decided to do a little digging in order to embarrass him further.

Here is the actual page from which knucklehead got his screen capture.

You'll notice that the only reason the moderator mentioned a particular site is because the poster specifically asked about that particular site!

Here is a similar post asking about a Canadian site.

Finally, here is another thread from July.

Are these shady paper mill owners like "gantoris" ever going to give up? I would think that going legit would be easier than lying every day and re-working the same old bullcap over and over.

See, she attacks me by claiming I work for term paper mill.

They claimed it was a verified site and therefore were endorsing it.


Yep, and Essay Advisor told that person in the thread in the screen shot of to "Buy American".

Once again you show you have some sort of affiliation with Student Essay Advisor since you go to great depths to defend them and know so much information about how they work internally. Sorry to tell you something Amy, but I can say what ever the hell I want about Essay Advisor and you can't do a thing about it. Only thing you or Essay Advisor do when someone questions Essay Advisor motives is attack the posters creditability and claim they work or own some paper mill. Hate to break the news to you, but regular people with no affiliations to any term paper sites don't like what the site is doing. They are attempting to control the way term paper mills work in an open international market because they are being beaten by their international competitors. Those that don't feel like being pushed through Essay Advisor stupid verification process(if this verification process is even done) are then labeled scam sites..

Here is how Student Essay Advisor started.

-Research Writers Today and its other sites start to see a decrease in business due to foreign competition.
-Research Writers Today comes up with the idea to create a fake watch dog group to label their foreign competition scam sites.
-Research Writers Today is created and a list of supposedly scam sites is listed.
-Research Writers and its other sites start to see an increase in sales.
-People start to notice Essay Advisor motives are bs.
-Essay Advisor counters by saying anyone who questions Essay must work for a foreign term paper mill.

So I don't care what you say Amy, you can sit here and try to defend your site Essay Advisor while and people like me will continue to attack Essay Advisor's motives.

I hope you can come up with something better then, "He owns or works for a paper mill, so don't believe him". I waiting the admin now to come in and verify that amy and Essay accounts have the same ip.


Well said BenCole, took the words right out of my mouth.

Maybe I'm sometimes a little naive, but I completely don't get your point. The clients (students) buy academic writing services and they will be happy ONLY when the following points are met:

1. The paper is written in a perfect American English by an American-native speaker.

2. The paper uses references available for the American colleges/universities.

Maybe Ben could provide more information, but I assume the companies in the US or Canada may have no more than 15-20% of international clients (based outside the US/Canada). If I owned a writing company, I would shout "Buy American" on my home page - just to protect my customers from ESL writers who most of the times cannot do a good job. How else can you provide a good writing service if you and your writers are not based in the US/Canada?

Maybe Ben could provide more information?? I think that comment should be directed to Gantoris as it is him that you are quoting.

From my point of view I would prefer any essay that I buy to be written by a native English speaker. Buying American doesn't guarantee that any more than buying British does; both countries have extensive immigration.

The references point is not really an issue any more. It used to be the case that if you cited something not available in your college library then your work would be considered dubious. With electronic databases such as Proquest / ABI Inform available in virtually all universities and colleges, students can access academic articles written in English from around the world without leaving their pc. It's also perfectly possible for a writer in Australia, for example, to use such databases for their research and limit the articles used to those that appear in American journals or British journals - whichever the client has a preference for. The location of the writer is not an issue for me; the main issue is the standard of writing.

You just hit the nail on the head. You don't own a company, but the way Essay Advisor is playing this makes you believe they own a writing company or are affiliated with them. My thing is Student Essay Writing Advisor expects us to believe everything they say. They claimed to test over 500+ sites through their verification process. We have no clue who owns and operates Essay Advice, and let alone if they are doing anything they claim, so why should we believe them?

My point was - why do foreign companies (based outside the US/Canada) don't write papers in their Native language for their native clients? Why a company from France would even try to write papers in English for American clients? Why don't they write in French for French clients? Because the quality of papers written by a French writer cannot be compared to the one written by the American writer.

Major, I think your point is really about language skills and not about geography.

Personally, I would prefer that companies who brand themselves as "American" or "British" or whatever were actually a little less lazy and jingoistic and spent more time reassuring me that the person writing my people was a native English speaker who had graduated with a quality (honors) bachelors degree from a high ranking university.

If I'm paying for an essay I really don't want someone with a GED, who scraped into the Boondocks Community College, and then some lowly college or state university to complete their degree, writing my essay. I don't care if they are based in the US and speak English as their first language! With that sort of background they would be hardly well placed to write me an essay that is up to the standards of the university that I attend (which is ranked in the top 10 globally).

When I am ordering an essay, I would like to be assured that the writer is a native English speaker (whether that is the UK, Ireland, USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, etc, I really don't care), that they completed their high school education to a very good standard, and that they obtained their honors degree from a well regarded (not just accredited) university; I would also like reassurance that the degree they obtained was in a subject that matches the topic of the essay that I'm requesting.

If a French company could offer writers that met that specification then I would happily order from them. Just because a company is based in France doesn't mean that it is impossible that they have native English speakers working for them. I've never come across an essay company that requires their writers to come into work each day in their office; writers are almost always freelance and work from home - wherever that may be - and payments can be remitted electronically.

It's too easy to get into geography bashing - an American company is not automatically better than a Canadian company, and a British company is not automatically better than an American company etc. With the rise in home working fuelled by the internet, British writers can and do work for American essay companies and vice versa. The trick for students is to try and find an essay company that makes a reasonable attempt to engage appropriately qualified and native English speaking writers so that the work that is ordered is completed to a high standard.

But "the French company" won't reveal it's actually based in France, not in the USA/Canada, will it? I think Essay Advisor wants to point that out and it's a good thing.

Excellent points again Bencole.

Now don't get me wrong here, but I could be completely wrong about Student Essay Advisor. They could be a legit watch dog group, but till they start providing some evidence on their claims I can not believe them one bit. As of now I'm still under the impression they are a fake watch dog group with a hidden agenda.

The the way to run to forums and use legal threats against people who say other wise about Essay Advisor makes people wonder their true intentions.

I for one would love to be allowed to assist in Essay Advisor's verification process. Would help shine some light on this whole matter.


True, but Essay Advisor expects us to believe we should trust them when they claim sites they verified are located in the US. For all we know it is run in Russia or Brazil.

Major says "But "the French company" won't reveal it's actually based in France, not in the USA/Canada, will it? I think Essay Advisor wants to point that out and it's a good thing."

They might do. I don't think you can assume that just because a company is based outside the US then they are certain to misrepresent their location.

If any company lies about where they are based then I think that they should be avoided. There are many essay companies that claim to be UK based but are actually based in Pakistan and are widely known to be fraudsters (although perhaps not widely enough as they still claim victims).

Being based in the US should not be automatically considered to be synonymous with quality. A US based (and Student Essay Advisor verified) company used by one of my room mates provided her with what purported to be a university level essay. It was appalling in content, completely missing the point of the essay as outlined by the title, and read as though it were written by a dyslexic high schooler. Thankfully she got her money back.

Websites like Essay Advisor, and ripoffreport are useful, in spite of disappearing threads, but no website should be considered the definitive guide to good companies. Personally, I feel that students are better advised to talk to their friends and share experiences; at least they know that their friends are real people whereas online you never really know who is posting the messages and what their agenda is.

That's exactly what I've been trying to say! We don't know who runs Essay Writing Advisor and what their agenda is. Funny how you mention disappearing threads, because a few a discussion threads that were active on the site were removed for no apparent reason.

I just mentioned that as I read one thread last night that was not there this morning; seemed very innocuous to me but the site admin obviously thought otherwise!

As a consumer, I'd really rather threads remained. Having spent some time reading boards for my research, I'm now very suspicious of any company that does not have any negative comments posted about it as no company is perfect and you'd expect someone somewhere to have a gripe, however minor.

I'd much rather the boards on such websites were left largely intact and that the site admin/original complainant/ company representative posted a response that stated what had been done to try to resolve the complaint etc. I think it would actually reassure consumers more that if there is a problem, and problems will arise even in the best companies, then the company's customer services will address the problem.

Obviously if someone just posted that 'x company is bad' then there is a case for deletion as no detail is provided indicating how the company has failed to provide a reasonable service. It is disappointing though when you see detailed comments, where the complainant has obviously taken time and effort to state the problem clearly and rationally, suddenly vanish without explanation. But as I've said before, it is the people who run the websites, whoever they are, who get to have editorial control.

PS You do realize that my comment that "online you never really know who is posting the messages and what their agenda is" applies equally to you and I :)