About The Student Essay Writing Advisor Group

Gantoris, term paper mills are only part of Essay Advisor's focus. You probably haven't even read their home page, which also happens to mention that some American companies are dirty, too. So much for your "buy American" theory.

I'm sure that everyone here is now 100% sure that you are the owner of a foreign paper mill, probably from Ukraine. The minute you started mentioning Research Wriers Today, you lost what little cover you had left. We've all seen that before.

By the way, anyone notice how this guy does not have one original statement or one piece of evidence to support anything he claims? I've seen every word previously, and it all came from that Ukrainian guy who was posting with different names. He claims I own Student Essay Advisor because I have "inside information," yet HE comes up with stuff like this:

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Yeah, you're right. Any random visitor with no connection to or inside knowledge of the industry could have such a theory off the top of his head. What was I thinking?

Gantoris obviously has a longstanding grudge against Essay Advisor and misdirected anger towards Research Writers Today because his sales are way down. Maybe if he ran a legit business he wouldn't have so many problems.

Go ahead, let's hear more of your denials, followed by groundless accusations without a shred of proof that you have borrowed from your Ukrainian buddies. I'm waiting.

Amy why did you have to come back to this thread? We came to a conclusion about Essay Advice already and Bencole stated it perfectly.

You can sit here and claim I work for some paper mill and I can sit and claim you work for Student Essay Advisor. In short neither of us will win.

All I want people to know is, we have no clue who runs Essay Advisor and they may have another agenda. Though when someone post something negative about them they immediately lash out at the persons credibility and state, "they work for some foreign paper mill and they are full of lies." When in fact they can not prove that.

Also, Essay Writing Advisors forum, I think Bencole summed this up better then I could.

I agree with you BenCole, the way they run that forum makes you question them.

To end this I say, Essay Advisor start showing some proof these sites are going through these supposed verifications process and allow some third parties to assist so we can verify you claims are true. Till then you don't have the right to say a thing about anyone who questions your credibility, till we the public verify your credibility and intentions.

"we the public"

You're not "the public." You're a foreign paper mill owner whose sales are down. Thank goodness you're not ripping off as many people as you used to.

When the BBB starts showing "proof" of their verification and allows you to personally "contribute to their verification process," then you can flap your lips about Essay Advisor being somehow different. There are mandated privacy issues and laws that are clearly over your head and beyond your scope of reasoning. Anyone who has ever had anything to do with business operations knows that.

There have been no "conclusions." Way to dodge of all of my points and counter-evidence, too.

If you think you can come here and spew trash and remain unchecked, you're wrong. You still have not offered a SINGLE FACT! Until you have any facts, you're nothing but a hapless joke.

I demand a single FACT from you right now! No excuses.

I'm curious, who are you to demand facts from Gantoris? You've already clearly stated you are not connected with Essay Advice; you choose to fight tooth and nail on their behalf because you "like" them.

If I wasn't suspicious about your links with Essay Advisor at the beginning of this discussion, I definitely am now!

Don't even attempt to compare Essay Advisor to BBB.. Student Essay Advisor has not even been proven a legit non-profit watch dog group.

Now I ask you to answer this. Why in the hell should we believe the site when we do not know who runs it or their intentions?

I'm not the only one who questions it. Professors, students, wikipedia.org, and many other have asked questions about Essay Advisor, and it screams and whines when they are questioned.

Hey BenCole, would it be ok if emailed the admin and asked for your email? Student Writer Essay Advisor is not a business.

Gantoris, if you ask them nicely they may forward your email to me; they have done this before when people have wanted to get in touch with me.

"Now I ask you to answer this. Why in the hell should we believe Essay Advisor when we do not know who runs it or their intentions?"

Seems pretty damn clear on their home page to me. You choose not to mention it because it doesn't help your little argument.

Gantoris, why do you keep ignoring my requests for proof of anything you claim? If you had any sort of proof, you would have already provided it.

Please do us all a favor and stop citing year-old forum posts as your "evidence." Essay Advisor is completely different from that time.

Ben, I couldn't care any less what you believe.

I can't find anything on Student Essay Advisor's homepage that says anything about who is behind the site. There are plenty of vaguely worded statements ("a watchdog organization"; "we also dissuade plagiarism"; "we help expose the dangers of diploma mills" etc) but nothing that specifies who exactly is behind the website, i.e. who exactly is "we"?

For any organization to exist, one or more individuals or existing organizations must have created it. I don't think it is unreasonable for people to ask about the organization's inception. If it is "a watchdog organization" then it's existence and management must be above reproach.

Amy1978, if Essay Advisor aren't paying you then I would suggest that they certainly should be. You do so much on their behalf and with such passion and conviction; it seems a shame if you are not being remunerated for your efforts. I do think that in this instance, your efforts are misguided though and, at least in my mind, your posts have sown more seeds of doubt about the site than were present at the start of this discussion.

I consider some of the posts and articles at the site as eye-openers. For example, the one about Turnitin and their true intentions/affiliations. Or sections related to fake universities and "the academic diploma business."

I for one believe it's not as easy as you think it is. Based on the posts and some of the people who are involved in the "essay writing business" if I run such an organization as Essay Advisor or Research Writers Today (which BTW doesn't have contact information either), I would not post a phone number or physical address. Why? Because I would be afraid that one day such vivid posters like "gantoris" would come to my door and try to kill me for what I have posted or not posted on my site. Not to mention those who run multi-million $$ diploma or university factories - I would just be afraid they would do anything to stop me from revealing the truth.

Major's right.

Ben, have you read the Essay Advisor home page with non-biased eyes? There's a link explaining exactly why they don't post a mailing address. Why haven't you mentioned that? Now that I think about it, why hasn't Gantoris mentioned that?

Even in a nasty and cruel world such as ours, the organization still has a duty to prove that it is what it claims to be and part of that is being open and transparent about who is behind the website.

I could set up a website and claim that I am acting as an industry watchdog, hide that I am the owner of the website by using a private registry service, and claim that I couldn't possibly consider letting anyone know who was behind the website or where it was based in case somebody attacked me. I could promote the site through Google Ad words etc ensuring high volume traffic and encourage others to seek 'verification' from me by stating boldly on the site that the industry is riddled with fraud and consumers should only trust verified sites. All very reasonable when taken at face value. But it wouldn't absolve me of the responsibility to prove that I was a legitimate industry watchdog in the first place and not promoting self-interest.

I don't doubt that Student Essay Advisor has some interesting information on its website, or that some of the people it names on its site as frauds are nasty people.

When the UK's "Daily Mail" outed the Essay Relief company as being criminals (in an article that Amy1978 helpfully posted on this website), what gave the story credibility was that the story was run by a national newspaper and anyone, anywhere in the world, who read the story online or in the newsprint edition could verify that the people publishing the allegations were a legitimate organization. The story was published under the name of a respected journalist and the newspaper provides full contact addresses (physical addresses, email, telephone and fax numbers) in every print edition and on it's website. That's what made the allegations credible.

Before I started this discussion, I was quite open minded about the site. I had noticed disappearing threads, but I hadn't really thought about what the ramifications of this were as, to be quite honest, the site wasn't of that much interest.

Having had this discussion though, and read Amy1978's posts in particular, I am now very concerned about the site. As Essay Advisor got a mention in the Daily Mail's article about Essay Relief, I am writing to the journalist concerned and asking him to consider looking into Essay Advisor's possibly self-appointed role as "industry watchdog" and the questions of bias that are emerging.

This is very worrying for consumers.

Hahahahahah. You don't have a clue. "The Daily Mail" got most of their leads from Essay Advisor! I communicated with the reporters about that article when it first ran, and they told me so!

Oh, and do you know why "The Daily Mail" deleted the Web page containing the story? That's right, they received THREATS from the Essay Relief creeps!

Again, hahahaahahah.

I don't know about the first part; I will find out though when I contact them about this story.

I do know though that "The Daily Mail" automatically deletes old content from its website though so I don't believe your allegation that they deleted it because of threats. Also, "The Daily Mail" was at the forefront of investigative journalism into Irish terrorism and the Irish Republican Army (responsible for over 3,200 deaths in bombing campaigns) so your claim that they ran scared from an essay writing company is simply laughable - but nice try dear.

Again, it is staggering to see the lengths you will go to in defending an organization that you claim you have no connection with. Staggering .... and completely implausible. Thanks for providing me with more ammunition though.

"Again, it is staggering to see the lengths you will go to in defending an organization that you claim you have no connection with."

Really? So why do you keep following me around like a puppy dog? You must own Essay Relief, right?

If you don't believe me, ask Barclay. He sued Essay relief in British courts because they duplicated one of his company's sites. He worked with Essay Advisor and "The Daily Mail" to uncover all of the stuff mentioned in "The Daily Mail" article.

Hahahahahah, I need to lay down. My belly hurts from all the laughing.

My conclusion is this: You sometimes cannot win against a multi-million dollar corporation (Essay Relief and their affiliations, for example), but you can try to fight against them. I'm sure "Daily Mail" can afford to have 24-7 security systems against dissatisfied readers (since they actually make money from ads and their buyers), but relatively small non-profit organizations like Essay Advisor cannot afford that. But it doesn't mean their influence should be less important.

Yeah, there's a slight difference between a major newspaper in the public eye and a small non-profit operated from personal homes. I think the potential danger is just a little greater for Essay Advisor. Don't you agree, Ben? You read the "Daily Mail" article, right? If you were the owners of the organization, would you want those Pakistani hitmen with Kalishnakovs sneaking in YOUR back door to blow yoru head off and cut your family's throats?

You aren't in their shoes, so stop acting as if you are or ever will be. You're not in touch with the real world, especially not the tribal Pakistani world, where human life means NOTHING.

How do you know this? (Don't forget your script Amy1978: this is an organization that you have no connection with). You do seem to be remarkably well informed about them considering your lack of involvement.


Their influence in outing criminals doesn't bother me in the least; I am happy that criminals like Essay Relief are outed. It is a pity they continue to spawn more sites and continue to defraud consumers but I don't think that a site such as Essay Advisor is helping stem the tide when there is a lack of transparency about who they are and how they operate.

My concern is that an organization is promoting itself as being an independent industry watchdog but is starting to look like a much more shadowy affair.

I would love for the essay industry to have a truly independent watchdog; Student Essay Advisor isn't it.

Major, it's also funny how Ben has never once claimed that anything stated at Essay Writing Advisor is false. He knows it's all true. Even if Essay Advisor WERE affiliated with some paper mill, does that make their statements any less true?

Ben, no more unsubstantiated BS. Provide evidence!

I mean, look at the gist of your argument--you're claiming that Essay Writing Advisor is "shadowy" because you don't agree with me, a random forum poster. What the hell do I have to do with what's printed in black and white on Essay Advisor's home page? Thank goodness you're not a reporter.

"How do you know this? (Don't forget your script Amy1978: this is an organization that you have no connection with). You do seem to be remarkably well informed about them considering your lack of involvement. "

Because it's stated on their site!

Too bad you don't bother to READ anything before sticking your foot in your mouth!

A random forum poster? I think not. I've just been looking at my old screen shots from this site and there so seem to be a large number of posts by you defending Essay Advisor and also one specific essay company which I'm happy to name if you'd like me to (I'm sure the essay company is just another company that you are absolutely not connected with but just happen to "like" their website). I'm not sure what happened to the threads but I still have the screen shots if you'd like me to post them to remind you of your past comments.

As for "What the hell do I have to do with what's printed in black and white on Essay Advisor's home page" - I really don't know but you do seem absolutely desperate to defend them even at the cost of resorting to abuse.

You missed my point, Amy1978. I didn't ask where you read this. I asked how do you KNOW this?

You seem happy to defend Essay Advisor incessantly and vigorously and occasionally abusively (which I don't mind incidently as I'm used to dealing with people who resort to abuse when they know that their argument is failing). You are happy to accept anything that appears on that website with absolute blind faith in spite of the website hiding the most basic information about themselves i.e. who they are and how they came into existence. So, I'm forced to conclude that you are either exceptionally naive and gullible or you are connected with Essay Advisor.


It depends which statements you refer to. If as you say, they were affiliated with a paper mill, it would make the statement that they are an independent watchdog completely untrue. Isn't that rather obvious?

It would also give you cause to wonder if, for example, a phenomena such as disappearing threads was related to their activities as a paper mill / essay company. If this was the case, they could hardly claim to be independent and acting in the best interests of the industry if they were deleting threads which mentioned their own affiliated company while allowing other threads criticising unaffiliated companies to remain on their forum.

"Disappearing threads" may be due to a number of reasons (that are not actually known by the readers). Quite often, for example, a poster posts something and then asks me to delete his/her post because "s/he realized the post was irrational or had no factual basis." Or s/he doesn't want her name to be indexed by search engines etc. In such forums like this, the poster who wasn't initially happy with a particular company can always email admins and tell them the problem has been resolved and the topic or post gets deleted. Etc etc.

One time I had a poster who asked me (rather firmly) to delete "his topic" the day after he's received three valuable answer from other posters. I refused to do it.

When someone wants their own post deleted then I see no reason why the site admin, if they agree to the deletion, can't delete the post concerned and state the reason for the edit. Deleting an entire thread because one company is named is ridiculous and makes people such as myself suspicious that the website is furtively promoting one company (by deleting any vaguely critical comments about it) while allowing comments critical of other companies in other threads to remain.

It depends. If the post is somewhere "in the middle" of the discussion, that shouldn't be a problem. BUT when the topic starter wants the post deleted OR there are other posters that quote the original poster, that could be a problem.

In fact, most forum or blog software DOES NOT (technically) allow to delete the first post of the thread without deleting the entire topic.

BenCole:

We delete threads for one of three reasons:

1. A poster's IP address falls within the IP range of one of the 350 fraudulent domains or their mail servers.

2. The poster requests removal because the issue has been resolved.

3. The company provides sufficient evidence (in the form of email forwards or refund receipts) that they either fixed the customer's problem or made every reasonable attempt to do so. We believe that all companies have a bad day once in while, and customers also misunderstand companies' services now and then. We will not leave a permanent scar on a company's record if that company shows good will.

I'm not sure how you came to be so very misguided about our organization, Ben, but we would appreciate it if you would stop leveling such unfounded accusations against us.

"You missed my point, Amy1978. I didn't ask where you read this. I asked how do you KNOW this?"

Until you show me a SINGLE statement on their site that is untrue, I will believe them.

How nice that the Essay Writing Advisor rep just happens to finally show up to answer a question about the forum. Can the admin of this forum check their ips and see if they match.

Looks like they are scared BenCole, they are saying you run a paper mill now.

It appears Essay Writing Advisor has banned my ip from accessing the site.

Though when I go through a free anonymous proxy, I can access the page instantly.

This raises some interesting questions, why would they ban an American ip from accessing their site? I have not posted any negative or slanderous comments on their forum. Also, how in the heck did they get my ip? I dropped an email to the admins at essayscam to see if they have heard of this happening before.

As far as I know there are dozen of proxy servers that are based in the US so if someone abuses the system, the only way is to block the IP or range of IPs. There may be thousands of computer users under one IP, not to mention a range of IPs.

True Major, but my internet connection is on a high speed cable internet with its own unique ip. I have a router and firewall running and no one is using my connection but me, my personal ip was banned. Sorry to tell you Essay Advisor, I can get around your little deny access.list on your apache webserver with the million of free proxies on the net.

Well, then you must have posted something on their site that breached their rules. Using a special software I don't think it's difficult to determine the poster's IP.

Well you're right about something, every time you post a comment or thread it logs your ip so the admins can see who posted it. Though you are wrong about me posting something against their rules on their forum. I figure out how they got my ip, I had a gantoris account on their forum and never used it. Essay Advisor seeing a gantoris on this forum checked their forum and saw a gantoris account and banned the ip from the site.

What a freaking joke, got something to hide Essay Advisor?

We have nothing to hide. We invite you to ask any question you wish. The only person in this thread with obviously devious intentions and hidden agendas is you.

For the record, we will continue to block every anonymous IP that you use. This is no secret. In fact, we are in the process of installing software that will automatically block all proxies. So, enjoy our site while you still can.

Hate the break the news to you, there is no such software to block all proxies. 90% of all proxies used can not be detected as proxies. You still have no given a legit reason to why my ip was banned. I have neither posted anything negative, slanderous, illegal, and so on your forum. One thing you know for sure since you have located my ip is I'm located in Indiana, and I'm American. Yes, I'm a bad thing for Essay Advisor, I'm a concerned individual about Essay Advisor with no paper mill affiliations, that makes Essay Advisor only defense seem to fail. Just banning my ip makes you group look even worse, if it will go to such extremes to keep someone away from their site. Am I hitting a hot spot? Or worse the truth? This thread is full of concerns about Essay Advisor, I suggest you start answering them.


And you know this how? Dozens of others with non paper mill affiliations have raised concerns about Essay Advisor. Thats the reason why you not welcome on wikipedia.org and other forums. Best part is every time someone raised a concern about your group, you scream they work for some Russian or Pakistan paper mill with out a ounce of evidence.

Student Essay Advisor has no reason to question my agenda till the public verify your credibility, intentions, and agenda. Does putting up a website, laying down some disclaimers, telling people to buy American just suddenly give you all this credibility? I think not.

Bencole stated it better then I could.

So I ask Essay Advisor to allow me to assist their watchdog group. If I can verify their intentions and see they do the things they claim they do I can vouch for them. I will even Publically apologize and defend Essay Advisor till the end.

Gantoris, you're a mr-n. How many times do I have to provide this link?

And you're just an incredible: essayscam.org/forum/es/criminal-record-yuri-mizyuk-owner-essaywriters-1728/#msg46839 for asking them to "assist."

Here's a tidbit of knowledge for you: there IS software that blocks ALL proxies, you dip shot! It does so by sending an actual access signal to the attempted poster's IP to determine if that IP is open. You know nothing, ya halfwit.

Gantoris, I love how you display your screenshots with such pride. That really showcases your many skills. Got any more?

Once again amy comes to Essay Advisor defense.


Well is appears neither do you, so for someone to access Essay Advisor, it would have to scan over 65,000 ports on that one persons connection and test everyone of them to see if a proxy is active, and that is only if that port identifies itself as a proxy. That would p#ss off a lot of firewalls/network security hardware, furthermore it will waste all and I mean all of Essay Advisor bandwidth. How the hell can a non-profit group pay for some much bandwidth? . I'm just talking about ports too, don't get me into SOCKS.

"I'm a concerned individual about Essay Advisor with no paper mill affiliations"

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That's a real knee-slapper, Gantoris. You are a paper mill owner, probably from Ukraine (not "Indiana"). Of that, there is no doubt.

Your broken English still shines through, by the way. You haven't quite gotten rid of all of your Ukrainian-hampered vernacular.

You are fooling nobody.

So Gantoris, you must be either a student, teacher, or an essay writing company owner. Why would you care about which sites are put or not put online? People write good/bad stuff all the time.

Amy stop speaking, you have no grounds to speak for Essay Advisor since you claim you do not work with them.

First of all, I'm not "speaking," you dimwit.

Second of all, you called me out, so I'm just going to keep tearing you apart. If I'm Essay Advisor rep, you're Essay Relief or Master Papers. Please, can you entertain us with more screen caps?

Good question, I'm a student. People need to watch the watch dog groups and verify they live up to their claims. Even non-profit organizations in the US are audited to confirm nothing illegal is going on. That's all, I don't believe for one Essay Advisor does anything them claim. That's why I have asked Student Essay Advisor to allow me to assist them. What harm is that? They do not have to give me their address, phone #, name, etc. I would just like to be allowed to participate with them. Any truly non profit group would allow assistance from any volunteer.

Gantoris, I'm still waiting for you to quote a single word at Essay Advisor that is untrue.

Why do you have such a problem with a non-profit that communicates nothing but facts that help people? On top of that, Essay Advisor hurts only ONE type of person: shady term paper mill owners. So, how do you fit into this equation again?

I'm sure you'll change the subject, like always.

"I don't believe for one Essay Advisor does anything them claim."

What kind of screwed up English is that? We're supposed to believe that you're a college student from "Indiana"? Too funny.

This entire thread is ridiculous. Yes, Essay Advisor's primary objective is to expose sites that do not use American writers. You act as if that is a crime. I'm an American writer (and, no, I am not going to plug my website here because I don't want to be accused of spamming), and I do not appreciate being put out of business by companies that pay their people $1 a page. Furthermore, the quality of the papers that come from these Pakistani and other offshore sites is laughable. But, as the New York Time said, what do you expect for $9.95 a page?

Anyone dumb enough to hire someone who barely speaks English to write their paper deserves whatever they get.

I guess once everyone on Earth is earning $2 a hour and living like street beggars you'll be happy.

Paul