Never trust a writer who ask for payment first (essay order paid to Pontius / Kevoice)

on the 25th Jun, I posted here on my experience that scammed by an agency site, which auto approved my paper without my approval, my money gone, and i get nothing. As a student, that really my hard earn money. Seems like academy site cannot be trust, and a writer offer his service to me here, with a reasonable price. Our agreement is, the payment will pay upon his completed his work.

Well, fair enough...

unfortunately, the rewriting of literature review, already took him 40 days, yet, his works still sucks, always late, never on time, i need to keep chasing for deadline, and now, even blacklist by my supervisor, said I am not a good team player... bla bla bla... complaint about me... :(

Money sent him, but he have no reply on my amendment, which he always promise will send "today", but i get nothing... and his reply on "today"... almost 2 weeks.. gone...

https://essayscam.org/forum/es/writing-agency-filing-dispute-4417/

I am thinking, what if I share his email here... to get advise? or, if I share his email here, then I am bad people to bad mouth him?? I just want a fair deal, either he refund to me, or, he faster complete the work make it perfect!

Anyway, I already post my new order, as this is my second time in bad experience.... i really don't know who should I trust...

I know this is sin, i should do it myself, but i really can't complete it, my English is poor, and I have failed for a paper waiting for resit, so this dissertation cannot fail again.

I am in struggle...

if pay first, they may not amend for you whatever promises they given; payment make after complete the work, will have the same result too - NO AMENDMENT~

lesson: if customer too demanding, then should blame the low quality writer, and scammer. (forgive my poor english)

Here the printscreen on my payment to the writer (I am not scammer or spammer... I am student really look for genuine and responsible writer, i really made payment... although my pocket dry but once commit, i will pay)

First payment, the moment we agreed then I made some upfront for him to do the rewriting part of my critical literature review



Second payment, for amendment; in fact, before my supervisor check the paper, he already sent me payment request..



This time in different company as per his request.



Oh ya, I assumed you have many email or account ID here, and I believe you are watching... I am not that type of bad girl never give chance. So, I hope you found guilty... either complete it, or refund.

I seriously hope that I am a bad girl, have the gust to disclose his name. I hate threaten by the writer who can't do his job, yet he blame me on posting his complain here.

I never ask for full refund, I just ask for second payment which he late again so I absent didn't attend the meeting with my lecturer, and the questionnaires that he can't deliver to me.

I would like to know, what if he post online? So the turnitin & Plagiarism Check will caused me failed? Pls advise.

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How did you even find this company?

He found me while I posted my first bad experience here; I feel he is very sincere, and even warned me don't simply to trust people, so i decided to use him.

But anyway, I am waiting for admin to remove my second post which I don't know how to delete it. I hope we will have a better agreement to solve this.

Kenyan garbage

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Cannot see the URL.

That's because the scumbag deleted his LinkedIn page.

No problem. See the cached screenshot.

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Hi NightStar,

Sorry about your experience. Dealing with an individual writer can be a bit tricky. I advise that you search online for those writing companies that offer high quality services. This is because these companies scrutinize and vet their writers before hiring them, and even if one of their writers doesn't do a quality job, they'll ask him to revise and if the writer can't deliver, they'll simply reassign the task to another capable writer.

As a client, you may not easily vet a writer before sending them a task. In brief, deal with writing companies, not individual writers because there's so many imposters out there!

Cheers

Kev

Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......... Many writing Companies are Fraud too :)

@Sindraalan I will admit that there are a number of writing companies that engage in fraudulent businesses. However, it is possible to screen the companies and pick one that will surely accomplish the task for the student. The difference between hiring a private writer, as opposed to a company based writer is that the student has options when it comes to the revisions of the paper. There is quality assurance department (for all that is worth) that investigates the presented paper based upon the original instructions and then demands that the writer revise the paper based on a specific set of guidelines. If the writer realizes that he is not capable of completing the paper as per the revision request, the writer can have the paper reassigned, with a penalty attached to his salary for the month. The company does not automatically reassign the paper. The original writer needs to file a reassignment request first. Whether the new writer assigned is more capable of completing the paper is a totally different discussion.

That is why I believe that there are certain situations when, provided the company is not a fraud, it is better to sign up with an academic writing company than a private writer. That is not to say that the private writers are bad. Just that there are some private writers who blindly accept jobs, which result in the situation that the OP experienced.

To paraphrase wordsies, nothing happens before payment, and not a goddamn thing happens before coffee.

Sorry you had such a negative experience. In agreement with ProfessorVerb, payment must come before the work begins. Writers get burned, too. In the future, you could opt to split the order into stages. Perhaps, pay for half and then pay the second half when the first is complete--or whatever works for you. Personally, unless the project is very large, I won't split more than half. It's just too time-consuming to go back and forth. Of course, this opens the door for requests for changes to the first part before the second is even complete so this could be a two-edged sword if the terms aren't made clear upfront!

I only split payment for orders over 15-20 pgs. Anything that can be done in one sitting should be done in one sitting. That's why I always tell my first timers to order a small part - page or two - first.

If to order for a writer I agree with you, and if at a company for example cheapcustompapers that it is possible and at once to pay work.

saimon22 = Ukrainian scammer (cheapcustompapers.com = spamming, untrustworthy, ESL garbage).

If you limit yourself to writers who are willing to work on a project before being paid, you're automatically limiting yourself to the least experienced writers out there who are totally desperate for work. I don't know any good successful writer who would ever agree to start working on a project before payment. That doesn't mean you have to pay a writer you don't know for a 20-pg project all at once; it just means that you should limit your risk by ordering a very short project or a short introductory section of a longer project before you trust someone with a large up-front payment.

Busy established writers are already busy enough writing all of the projects that have already been paid for and handling our constant emails about projects. The last thing we have time for is actually writing something that hasn't been paid for and then chasing after those payments. If you want a good experienced writer to consider your project, you should be prepared to prepay for anything you order; just start out with a short order and long deadline to limit your risk.

@the clueless: You should listen to FreelanceWriter, the voice of long years' of experience. Most mornings, I just cringe when I look at my email and see the requests for my immediate services. I actually want to help all of them, but day-um, I'm just one man with a staff of zero (except for my remaining but faithful and loyal writing dog, Peanut).* The more advance notice you can provide, the likelier the chances are you can secure the services of top-notch writers such as FreelanceWriter.

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* Promoted from auxiliary writing dog following the passing of my main writing dog, JoJo (RIP) -- she was a Good Late Night Writing Dog and I loved her.

While agreeing to work on a specific project, writers should bear the responsibility for their actions. They should provide a well-reliable paper for the payment being received. I am quite sorry for your experience. As a writer, I always demand to send me instructions before agreeing to start writing anything. Yet, once I feel that I can complete the paper, I do my best to make it reliable. You should find one writer who would do all your work, whom you can trust, rather than switch from one writer to another.

Come on, Bolk. Where are you REALLY from? Come on -- you can tell us. Who says "well-reliable" or "demand." Otherwise, your advice is on point, but damn ...

The OP did not do enough homework before hiring the company. That is why he got scammed. I guess this was a case of a first - time user, which is why he was unaware of the pitfalls of leaving your complete information with an unknown company / writer. In practice, a writer should never ask for the full payment upfront. The payment can be had in installments, depending upon the agreed upon payment arrangement with the client. Normally, I ask for 30% upfront and I deliver only the equivalent work of that payment, making allowances for revisions and extended deadline requirements. For every percentage of work that satisfies the client, I request for at least another 25-30% payment, until the paper is fully finished, in which case I demand the rest of the payment before surrendering the final part of the paper to the client. It is a system that continues to work well for me, using it to pay my writers instead. I would not advise any user to trust a writer who demands the full payment upfront. There is always a question as to the quality of work and reliability of the writer that cannot be assured by a full payment before any work is even submitted to the user.

Do you want to maybe clarify and qualify that insulting statement so that you don't unintentionally (or intentionally) disparage those of us reviewed/recommended writers who started building our good reputations on this forum almost a decade before you ever showed up here to start reviving ancient threads and dispensing your advice? Every legitimate freelance writer I have ever known charges full payment up front, without exception. As you already know, I'm one of the most trusted and respected writers on this forum, which means I really don't appreciate having you imply otherwise, even indirectly, such as by suggesting that writers who require payment in advance shouldn't be trusted.


FYI, this means you're also "a writer who demands the full payment upfront," contrary to everything else in your post. No writer I know refuses to take partial payment for delivery of only whatever portion of a project a client wishes to pay for in advance. I don't require anybody to pay for an entire large project in advance. If a new client wants to play it safe by ordering and paying for only "30%" of a large project, that's fine; but I don't put anything on my calendar, much less start working on it, until whatever portion of a project the client chooses to order is paid for.

The fact that you're clearly associated with a company that competes on the same playing field, and then go around saying some of the most reliable and respected writers in the industry are cheats and scams is hypocritical. You don't see private writers saying all companies should be treated as scams just because some companies are. We know better. You have no basis for these claims, other than your own self-interest. All of the writers I know, respect, and work with only ever charge up front, in full, including myself. And none of the top writers in this industry ever thought about cheating a client. You need to retract that statement, as it borders on libel. There are, naturally, those who cheat and steal, but you cannot issue a blanket statement about all private writers when you know full well that there are honest, reliable, and respectable writers on this very forum.

It is becoming increasingly common for writers to ask for payments upfront. This is not unusual. Even outside of academic writing, writers almost always ask for payments upfront. Clients need to be protected, but writers (and companies) also have to be protected. Scamming can go both ways. The only genuine way to ensure that both sides of the court are getting the most out of the situation is if they are able to come up with a compromised terms and conditions that will not sacrifice any of their freedom to decide. Always, always, always read the terms of use of the sites that you order from. If nothing works, threatening to sue is a drastic measure that is noticeably taken by money (enacted by few). I have always asked for upfront payments when I'm dealing with newer clients. In return, the clients should be able to trust that I provide the services that I say that I do - for this is the only way that they will be able to have a healthy relationship with the company.

It is normal for an independent writer to ask for a deposit prior to starting the work. Never trust a writer who asks for the complete payment prior to delivering anything. The payments must always be made in tranches so as to assure both sides that one is not trying to cross the other. However, an agreement regarding revisions (should it be required) must be reached even before the deposit is made. Make sure that an agreement that will be beneficial to both sides is reached before any contracts are approved. If you, as the client, sense something is wrong with the deal, then simply don't go through with it.