Writers doing the research work before payment is completed?

Ok I dont know another about this "Tania" although did receive the same spam BUT I have used writers who have only asked to be paid afterward and have had some really good results. I don't really agree with you Meokhan and can't see why it SHOULD always be the customer that has to put their money at risk first? If you are sure of your work then it is a great way to get new business I guess IMHO :)

IYHO, it may make a lot of sense to receive payment after you've delivered the complete project. But it makes sense to you only. To me, it's utter insanity.

that's pretty damn egotistical of you.... because I dont agree with you, it makes sense to me ONLY!?!

I think a LOT of writers might agree with you BUT I think a LOT of STUDENTS/CLIENTS would agree with me, who have received sub par work and with no recourse as the payment has already been sent! However, on the other hand, the writer HAS the ability to pursue recourse for unpaid work. I would be much more likely to use someone who has enough confidence in their work to ask for payment on completion or at least half before, half after.

I know NSTB as a very appreciative client (who liked my work but not my prices) and Meo as a legitimate writer (whose work I don't believe I've ever seen firsthand). In my opinion, there are enough real dirtbags who post here that you two shouldn't fight one another.

It's just very impractical for a writer to do the work before payment for the same reasons that the vast majority of most types of consumer transactions and services conducted online are always paid up front. A writer doesn't actually have any practical resource to recover unpaid bills because: (1) Many times, clients prefer not to even disclose their identities; (2) Most of our clients live way too far away (including overseas) to pursue a $100 or $500 or $1,000 claim by travelling to that jurisdiction to go to court over it; and (3) Even if they're local, we'd still lose much more money in time and expenses pursuing it than just letting it go.

It's also easier for a client to guard against getting ripped off than it is for a writer. A client can (and always should) test any new writer with a very short paper before trusting the writer with a major pre-paid project. Once you get a good piece of work, you can be fairly certain that you're dealing with a legitimate writer who actually does this for a living and isn't in the business of ripping anybody off. It's extremely unlikely that a writer is going to provide good work on a short project just to bait you into prepaying for a much longer project with the intention of scamming you on it. Writers also have a reputation to protect and a strong incentive to satisfy their clients; conversely, clients typically don't have a reputation to protect or any vested interest in maintaining the same online identity for many years.

The reverse is much more of a risk. Specifically, the only two times I was ever stiffed by a client was by someone for whom I'd written several dozen projects (maybe more) over several years. Once in a while, the person would ask to pay after delivery and I didn't have a problem with it, reasoning (precisely) that it was a long-term client who'd always paid me up front and who also paid up the few times I'd previously accepted payment after delivery. The person actually asked to pay for the last two projects afterwards. It turned out that they were the very last two projects of her degree and instead of paying up on the date promised, she apologized for the delay and promised payment "next week." After next week came and went, she wrote me a long email apologizing again, profusely, and explaining how tight her family was financially and that she'd "try" to make good on the debt as soon as possible. No payment ever came. About a year or so later, the same person had the nerve to email asking for a job application letter (about integrity for a law-enforcement-related job, no less), promising to pay up front for it but without any acknowledgment of the unpaid debt. That type of thing happened to me another time with a different client for whom I'd also provided many projects for several years.

You also have to keep in mind that some clients who are totally new to this whole process don't understand (until it's explained when the issue first comes up) that requests for some types changes after an essay has already been furnished are totally unreasonable, such as where the client tells you only after the fact to focus on some specific area or element that was never part of the original order specs at all. When that happens on a pre-paid project, we just explain politely that rewrites for our mistakes or omissions are always free, but that changes and edits the client only thinks of after the work provided perfectly meets the original specs always have to be paid as additional work. Human nature being what it is, some clients would unfairly demand the additional work and refuse to pay for the project until the additional work they have no right to demand fairly is provided.

Some writers who really need the work more than very established writers may still knowingly choose to take the risk of not getting paid once in a while in their effort to compete for business, and that's their choice. But those of us who have been doing this for many years just don't need to take that kind of risk. I no longer even allow established clients to pay after the fact, because of the specific type of experience that I detailed above. That doesn't mean a client is "wrong" or nonsensical to prefer paying after delivery; but you have to understand why that's a condition that really narrows down your pool of potential writers and that you're excluding many of the best and most experienced writers who are in the greatest demand because they're good at what they do and that you're increasing your chances of getting a writer who is much less experienced and in less demand than those of us who don't need the work badly enough to take any risk of not getting paid.

None of the above is intended as an insult to or criticism of any legitimate writer who chooses to take that risk, and there may very well be a less-competitive niche to fill by offering delivery before payment; but that niche has a lot less competition from experienced writers for some very good reasons.

One way to make sure that the client is satisfied with the paper that was ordered is by developing a payment scheme that covers the duration of the writing process. It is not difficult for the writer to ask for an upfront, non-refundable fee of 25 % at the start of the contract. Then, a draft of the partially completed paper can be submitted for the approval and corrections of the client, however, the requested revisions will not be completed unless another 25% of the full cost of the paper is made to the writer. Upon final submission, the remaining 50% of the cost of the full paper should be paid. The agreement being that the balance is to be paid in full at least 24 hours before the paper is due otherwise, the final paper will not be delivered nor will a refund of the previous payments be honored. By having the client pay in tranches, he also gets some time to gather his funds so that he can make the scheduled payments to the writer on time.

Those suggestions might work for new, inexperienced, low-volume writers who only have to worry about several deadlines per week (if that, even), especially if they spend several days writing a 10 or 20-pg project. They're totally impractical for experienced, high-volume writers who routinely bang out 10 or 20-pg projects in a day or (sometimes) 4 or 5 shorter projects in one day or overnight, as the case may be. I already spend enough time just responding to new inquiries and handling client communications. There's just no way a really busy writer can stop projects to send partial drafts and then wait for client commentary and another partial payment before returning to the project. If the project is no longer than 10 pages or so, I'll usually write it in a single sitting with maybe a quick meal or a snack break. I need to be able to finish the project as soon as I can write it well; and that's much faster than I could possibly turn a project around under any scenario involving that much back and forth once I've started writing. Time is money; and that suggested scenario wastes way too much of both.

Furthermore, anytime you open up the process to include client feedback and requests, especially when payment is still pending, you're going to get forced to make all sorts of changes for free that aren't fairly owed, because all of the specs and instructions are supposed to be provided in advance. If I follow them properly, there's no back and forth for clients to chime in with editorial commentary while I'm still working. Editorial comments and corresponding requests are always charged fairly as extra work if those requests weren't in the original specs. If you accept payment after any section is complete, you're inviting unfair demands for unpaid editorial revisions from clients who will hold your payment for those sections as leverage unless or until you accommodate their requests. Anybody who's been doing this for any length of time knows how ridiculous some of those after-the-fact demands can be. (This has nothing to do with rewrite demands that are fairly owed, such as where the writer misses something in the specs that the client provided for the order.)

Under your system the writer is always taking a risk that some of his work might not be paid. Clients might find that kind of arrangement with new writers, but busy, experienced, high-volume writers don't have time for it and are way too busy writing to take the risk or to deal with any of the headaches that are guaranteed to come along with a substantial portion of those kinds of orders. Conversely, all new clients ever have to do with us experienced, high-volume writers is try us with a few pages first to check the quality of our work and make sure that we're legit. Then, they can just order longer and longer prepaid projects or sections of projects. Ultimately, clients just have to know that it's probably always going to be a choice between newer, less experienced writers who need work desperately enough to be more "flexible" with their payment terms and much more experienced writers who have already earned a high enough work load through their long-term reputations that they just don't have the time to mess around with partial payments and payments after work has been done. Clients should understand that if they're also hoping to find the best writers, there will usually be a substantial qualitative difference between the work produced by those two types of writers, or, to be as fair as possible, between writers currently at very different stages of their respective careers.

I can't agree more with FLW. This installment scheme is quite tricky. Personally, I have had the same experience in which the client pushed me for unnecessary changes only because part of the payment was still pending. I have learned my lesson: payment paid upfront is a lot of hassle avoided at both ends. Second, since this rule is clearly laid out to a potential client, they are the ones to decide whether to go ahead or change their track. As far as the legitimacy of a writer is concerned, I think today, an average client is rational enough to find that out. However, yes, there may be writers in this industry (none that I know of personally) who might prefer different modes and schemes of payment which is absolutely fine as it may suit their marketing strategy and/or style.

Been there, done that, doesn't work. After a month trying to make that system work (some 5 years ago), I simply stopped giving in and decided to charge upfront for all orders. Haven't looked back since. While most clients are decent human beings and will not cheat you, some will, and that's a risk I'm not willing to take. Especially not when my schedule does not permit me to write papers over several days.

I found that it is always better to be upfront with the student when it comes time to pay for the order. I request that payments be given upfront and I also make it clear that there is only 1 free revision being offered. The revision is only going to be granted if the student can prove that I missed something within the requirements, which never happens. I don't do revisions for content just because the client thinks the paper will be better if information is added or some other sort of BS. If there is no evidence I misunderstood or did not follow the prompt directions, the student is out of luck. No revisions. Since the paper is paid upfront, I normally don't refund even a portion of the payment. Hey, I did the work, I should get paid for it. I've been lucky though, my clients are intelligent enough to know that I am not playing games with them and they will get a perfect A paper from me each time. So I have never had problems with students requesting for refunds. Specially since most of the students are referred to me by my network of satisfied students.

I've told this story before, but the first time I ever decided to do someone a favor by letting her pay me after delivery (because she said she wasn't getting paid until the day after her due date), she ended up never paying. She wrote me a long apology about how hard things were for her financially and promised to make good on the debt "as soon as possible," but never did. She even had the nerve to contact me again about a year asking for more writing and offering to pay up front. This wasn't a new client, either; it was someone for whom I'd written dozens of projects over the course of 2 or 3 years. Basically, she just decided to get herself a free project when she thought it would be the last time she'd be needing any work from me. So, it's nothing personal at all; but if a satisfied long-term client can do that after all that time and 20 or 30 perfect projects, anybody can. Even aside from the risk of never getting paid, it would be a record-keeping nightmare to have to keep track of who still owes money on completed projects. Never again.

It seems that content revisions are increasing becoming an issue, at least with what I've seen in these posts. I've had new clients ask about my refund policy and say "if I don't like it, will you refund?" Well, no. What one person likes another may not "like." To avoid this type of issue, I make sure I reiterate what I understand the instructions to be BEFORE the work begins. I get the client to reply via email (a record of their agreement and/or clarifications). Once the clarifications are out of the way, we then proceed. I'd rather take the extra time beforehand than to risk unclear info or them coming back and saying "that's not what I ordered."

As for doing research before payment is made, when I receive a project request, the first thing I do is search the available information on the given topic. This is only precursory research just to be sure the data is sufficient. I don't do in-depth research on anything (even for repeat customers) before payment is made. If they want to know about the research first (before proceeding with the order), they can pay a fee for my time. As someone who writes for a living, I cannot afford to spend hours on something that may or may not proceed. Payment, then work begins. After all, someone wouldn't tell a realtor, "Can I live in this house for a month to see if I will like it and then buy it?" Likewise, no, you can't get the work then pay for it. Sorry! ;)

It's hard to understand why a professional writer would accept to put in any effort into an order yet to be paid for. When I look through the inquiries I receive, I normally know that not all of them are genuine students looking to pay for my services. Responding to each-in the knowledge that only some will convert to paying clients-takes discipline. The maximum effort I can put into an unpaid order is looking through its details and requirements enough to provide a fitting quote.

It is difficult to balance the financial capacity of the student to pay against the writer's need for an assurance of full payment upon completion. Students can be as devious as the scam writers at times, taking the paper but not settling the balance on the order. It is hell to try to collect from a client once the paper is perfected and completed. I tend to ask the writers in my pool to write an almost perfect paper, skip something here and there, but be ready to insert it upon request. If the paper submitted needs one revision, I can hold the revision hostage until the client completes the payment. It has worked for my writers and I so far. The client tends to pay up when the paper deadline is near and they need to submit within a few hours or so. It's all about learning how to apply pressure properly. Most of the client's pay prior to the completion of the paper. Some though, try to run their own con on the writers. Writers should be prepared to deal with such clients. A writer can tell if the client may be a payment risk early on and act accordingly to be sure of collecting the full payment prior to the completion and submission of the paper.

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The very short answer is that pre-paid installments are never a problem, provided that the customer's final deadline allows for delivery of pre-paid sections instead of simply paying for and receiving the entire project all at once. This is the only workable way for students to exercise caution before risking a large payment to a writer they don't yet know deserves their complete trust and confidence.

For students, there's virtually no risk at all paying in advance, as long as you already know that you're dealing with a legit writer. Conversely, for writers, it always means (at the very least) totally unnecessary and avoidable bookkeeping headaches, (as often as not) wasted time "reminding" customers and/or chasing after late payments, and (unfortunately) the ever-present risk of not being paid at all, even by long-term repeat customers, as I've detailed above (and elsewhere on this forum) several different times.

No writer who isn't completely desperate for work and willing to take a very high risk of not being paid should ever even consider allowing payment after doing the work or (especially) after delivery; nor is there a single legit essay company in existence that has ever allowed this, either.

More broadly, I can't think of any type of goods or services that can be ordered online without pre-payment in full before goods are delivered or work is performed; and there's no reason that ordering essays should be any different. There are numerous ways for prospective first-time clients to conduct their own due diligence to identify legit honest writers, especially if they limit their candidates to writers willing to divulge their real (independently verifiable) identity and location to them in advance.

However, since I've answered each and every one of these questions in tremendous detail more than just a few times in my 17 years on this forum, I'll refer interested readers to this series of my previous answers (in Posts 4, 6, & 10) of this thread for more detailed answers.

I never actually thought that the writers ran any danger of not being paid by the students. I guess that is because the more commonly discussed problem at this forum is:

A. Writer blackmails the student
B. Writer does not complete the work for the student after being fully paid
C. Writer does a sloppy job of writing the paper

Thank you for calling our attention to the risks that the writer could run when dealing with new clients.