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The methods and approaches used by VA in the provision of healthcare and education to its members.


kim  1 | -   Student
Jul 27, 2011 | #1

VA Healthcare - Approaches and Education



The current Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) was initiated in mid 1930 after an Executive Oder 5398 issued by President Hoover, introduced an independent federal agency called Veterans Administration. This agency consolidated all veteran activities and programs within the country. In 1989, Veteran Administrations was transformed into a federal cabinet-level VA after the signing of an Act (P. L. 100-527) by then, the president Ronald Reagan in 1988. The VA's three branches and Board of Veteran Appeals (BVA) are mandated to carry out nationwide veteran activities. First, the Veterans Health Administration (VHA) branch is mandated to oversee the health of veterans through their respective healthcare programs. The Veteran Benefits Administration (VBA) branch is meant for compensation, vocational rehabilitation, pension, educational assistance, insurance and home loan guaranty. The National Cemetery Administration (NAC) branch manages 120 cemeteries across US and also in Puerto Rico. The BVA is a body that acts as a decision maker over the appeals regarding veteran benefit claims. The impact of the current economic recession is magnified by the number of veterans in seeking basic needs like housing, food, education and healthcare. Likewise in the VA, the effect of world recession has threatened its operations in healthcare and benefit provision to its members. This term paper analyses the methods and approaches used by VA in the provision of healthcare and education to its members.

Healthcare



VA Healthcare EducationVA has been instrumental in the provision of healthcare to the enrolled veterans. Through its branch VHA, VA undertakes healthcare programs like primary and special care, and provision of other social and medical related services to support its eligible members (Elmendorf 4). The VHA has numerous packages offered to veterans like; impatient services, outpatient care and emergency services; preventive care, drug prescription, immunization and health education; and counseling, hospice care and home health services. VA through integrated delivery system offers medical services to more than 150 medical centers and 900 outpatient clinics. Additionally, VHA offers other facilities like long term care and readjustment counseling. The number of veterans accessing medical facilities has been increasing due to additional injection of resources by the federal government though VA congress department. For instance, an approximate of 5.1 million (22 percent) veterans accessed VHA medical facilities in 2008- a service provision of $40 billion.

To administer healthcare effectively, VA has prioritized veterans health needs into eight categories based on service connected disabilities and, related exposures, assets and income among other factors. The categorization based on the above factors began in 1999 after the implementation of provisions made by Veterans Health Care Act (1996) (Elmendorf 2). The intensity of disability and environment exposure played an important role in constituting these veteran groups. These groups include; group one-individuals with disabilities emanating from service (or Service Connected Disabilities [SCDs]) amounting to 50 percent or more while, group two is composed of veterans with SDCs rated at 30 to 40 percent. The third group is composed of veterans with 10 to 20 percent SDCs, former prisoners of war, awarded Purple Heart, or disabled through treatment or professional rehabilitation offered by VA.

The forth group consists of individuals declared as catastrophically disabled by VA; thus, receive aid (cash benefits) to support their daily activities (Elmendorf 2). The fifth group entails individuals without SDCs (approximately zero percent) and eligible for Medicaid- VA offers them pension benefits. The sixth group is made of world war and Mexican border war participants with disorders connected with biological agents, nuclear and chemical vulnerability. The seventh groups involve veterans without disabilities and their income is above VA threshold but below the geographical index constituted by department of housing and urban development (HUD) (Elmendorf 3). The last group (group eight) is made of veterans without/ and with non-compensable disabilities and have incomes above both geographical index (by HUD) and VA threshold.

To ensure a continuous improvement of health care VHA has initiated numerous studies based programs like Internal/External Clinical Peer Review Programs (IPRP/EPRP). EPRP compares patient care records with practical or evidence based performance of that patient (Elmendorf 3). National Surgical Quality Improvement Program (NSQIP) compares risk adjustments in the areas with different mortality and morbidity rates. The Inpatient Evaluation Centre (IPEC) is a program meant to improve acute care in hospitals. Besides, Quality Enhancement Research Initiative (QUERI) numerous programs are useful in implementing the research findings into clinical practice. Finally, Evidence based Synthesis Program (ESP) makes systematic reviews on released medical research related issues subject to their importance towards VHA's user.

Recent Bills and Laws



The increasing number of veteran especially from Iraq and Afghanistan together with diversified health needs, different bills have proposed some being passed, delayed or rejected. These bills are meant to provide the veterans with health facilities especially during the current recession period. For instance, several proposals (HR 1588.S.481) in 2005 to extend the period meant for veterans health eligibility from two to five years lost grounds as a result of opposition from administration. Panangala connotes that, the current period of two years after combat is more suitable for veterans in seeking their VA health care (20). Another bill, Vet Centre Enhancement Act (2005) was passed by both Veterans Affairs Committee and later passed by the senate in 2005; however, it is still waiting House action. The aim of this act was to extend the health services offered in the veteran health centers to the immediate family members. Some of the services that could have befallen on the family members could have been counseling the family members of the bereaved soldier who died in active duty.

Currently, VA is pushing several bills to improve and extend health care services to veterans in the rural areas. There are several bills pending in different stages including like the house subcommittee on health, the senate committee on veteran affairs, house military committee on personnel and Indian affairs state committee. The pending bill on Rural, Veterans Health Care Improvement Act of 2009 (SB 658), this bill requires VA to establish at least one center in rural areas (US Department of Veteran Affairs [US-VA] "legislation" para17). These centers will be designated to carry out health research, clinical activities and health education in those areas through developing incorporating professional models and training expertise. One of the recent passed bills is the Caregivers and Veterans Omnibus Health Services Act of 2010 (US-VA "legislation" para11). This bill encompasses a variety benefits; namely, caregiver support, rural health improvements, mental health care matters, women veterans health care and homeless veterans. The extensive caregiver program covers instruction, preparation, personal care training services and counseling among other services. Through the enactment of these bills and implementation of some laws, VA will be able to offer a larger number of veterans a desirable quality health.

VA Education



VA is statutorily mandated to offer education and training programs to its members (veterans). The education and training programs are meant to improve the wellbeing of veterans in different perspectives especially the quality of health care. For instance, in the financial year 1999, VHA managed to sponsor over 110,000 scholars within 47 healthcare programs in collaboration with over 1,200 higher learning institutions like universities and colleges. According to Ramsaroop, Ball and Beaulieu, an approximate of two thirds of all US physicians, have received part of their training through VA (81). Thus, the VHA's health care system has emerged as an integral part of advancing the US healthcare higher education. Additionally, education based research conducted by VHA has been instrumental in enhancing the healthcare of veterans. Over the decades, these research and study programs have offered significant results which have improved healthcare through a wide ray of diversity, ranging from simple studies like multi-institutional trials and basic science studies to the complex studies like clinical outcome projects and heath care delivery.

GI Bill



The GI Bill was a composition of programs meant to offer social benefits to World War II (WWII) Korean and Vietnam veterans (Mink and O'Connor 339). Contrary to direct, retrospective cash benefits (bonuses) the veterans used to receive after their service during American Revolution and the World War I (WWI), GI Bill offered them immediate an immediate assistance so that they can improve their economic status. GI Bill offered benefits like education and training opportunities in colleges and vocational learning institutions. In vocational schools, the veterans acquired job related education to prepare them to enter professional job market. The original GI bill, the Servants Readjustment Act 1944 was pioneered to ease veterans' assimilation into the society life; however, afraid of unemployment in the depression era veterans made protests until the US federal government agreed to offer them education. The Roosevelt administration offered veterans one year education and training opportunity (Mink and O'Connor 340). Later under the influence of American Legion, veterans managed to get four years of training and education.

The GI Bill opportunity on education and training emerged as one of the most sought benefit by veterans (Gambone 66). For instance, after the implementation of the GI Bill, 7.8 million (over 51 percent) veterans enrolled themselves into education and vocational training. Among the veterans, 28 percent pursued college and university programs, 45 percent attended vocational training in learning institutions lower than college levels while the rest took part in other lesser job related training like farming programs. The education and training beneficiaries could enter the learning institution of their choice so long as they were eligible based on the laid down procedures and standards. GI Bill gave veterans full scholarships; that is, veterans fees was covered in full up to $500 per annum, with monthly subsistence cash benefits of $75 for single, $105 with one dependent while $ 120 for more than one dependent.

Having survived the hard economic times during the great depression and war era, colleges and other learning institutions were filled with new unique students- veterans. By 1949, a half all American school and college undergraduate students were veterans (Mink and O'Connor 341). The GI provisions on education transformed the higher education from being a higher-status Protestants, native-born and white Americans to Jews, Catholics, low and middle class, immigrants, black Americans and Latinos. Thus, GI did not only facilitate the affordability of education but also offered the segregated communities in the society the opportunity to learn (Gambone 67). As a result, GI Bill produced numerous veteran professionals in different fields; for instance, 450,000- engineers, 91,000 scientists, 17,000 writers and editors, 67,000 doctors and 238,000 teachers (Mink and O'Connor 342). African American Veterans Across The Country Were The Most Beneficiaries Of These Education Programs.

Post-9/11 GI Bill



With increasing number of veterans especially from Afghanistan and Iraq and the looming global economic hardship due to the current recession, VA with the support of congressional legislation is continuously supporting the education of veterans. For instance, Post-9/11 Veterans Education Assistance Act of 2008 (called Post-9/11 GI Bill), the Congress made a provision that offered comprehensive education assistance to the veterans and their dependents up to postsecondary education (US Government Accountability Office [US-GAO] 1). After Post-9/11 GI bill implementation, in 2010 VA availed more than $5.7 billion to fund education of around 381 veterans and their dependents. The amount of money to be provided for education in the year 2011 for veterans and dependents is estimated to reach $8 billion- a target to finance over 71 percent of all expenses.

The post 9/11 GI Bill is different from the original GI bill. The GI Bill offered its eligible claimants the benefits in monthly bases while, the post 9/11 GI Bill initiates a complex system of payments channeled through schools (the school fees) and students (housel allowance plus other benefits) (US-GAO 6). The tuition and fee benefits have been diversified to cover all public schools and a fixed amount (of $17,500) meant for foreign and private schools. The payments made directly to the students have been improved. For instance, the amount paid for house allowance has been increased, however it varies with locality, each student has been allocated up to $1,000 per year to cover book and supplies. Up to $100 on monthly bases has allocated to tuition while $ 500 has been offered for rural reallocation. The education privileges though offered to all veterans, the kind benefit will depend on the length of once service. For instance an individual who served for 90 days will be entitled for 40 percent, while a 36 months in service will guarantee one a full sponsorship (US-GAO 6).

Montgomery GI Bills



There are two Montgomery bills; namely, Montgomery GI Bill on Active Duty (MGIB-AD) and Montgomery GI Bill on Selected Reserve (MGIB-SR) (US-VA "the Montgomery" para1). The active duty member will be forced to pay $100 in a period of one year so that he can be eligible for education benefits ones an individual serves the minimum obligatory period. On the other hand, the selected reserve bill requires an individual to participate in the selected field for over six years to be eligible for education benefits. The MGIB-AD offers education benefits to veterans for at most 36 months. The education benefits offered by MGIB-AD and MGIB-SR program include certificate and degree programs, apprenticeship/on the job training, flight training and correspondence courses. In addition, this bill offers refresher, remedial and deficiency courses but only under certain circumstances. These benefits arising from MGIB-AD are offered after 10 year release from active role in the force. On the other hand, MGIB-SR is offered to individuals, who have suffered in the selected forces like navy reserve, air force reserve, army reserve and marine reserve (US-VA "the Montgomery" para1).

Conclusion

Since its inception, VA has played an important role in revolutionizing both education system and health care especially to the veterans. The statutory obligatory of VA is to avail basic needs like health, education, shelter and insurance and finances. This term paper has explored the VA's education and health care benefits to the veterans. First, VA facilitates health care services through numerous packages; namely, outpatient and inpatient programs, prevention care, counseling, hospice care and home health care. Through prioritized grouping, VA has fairly managed to allocate the health care benefits to its eligible veterans. Through introduction and support of numerous health bills and laws like Caregivers and Veterans Omnibus Health Services Act of 2010, VH has managed to commence centers within rural areas so that they can carry out health education, health research and practice clinical services. Also, VA has been instrumental in revolutionizing education. VA offers education to veterans ranging from simple like farming studies to complex like professional programs like engineering, physician and teachers. To improve education VA has supported and proposed numerous bills like GI Bill, Post-9/11 GI Bill, Montgomery GI bills that were passed by Congress. The primary aim of these bills has been to improve the education status of veterans and its near dependents. Finally, with increasing number of veterans and dependents, VA continues to restructure its policies to improve service provisions to its members.
MeoKhan  10 | 1357   ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Jul 27, 2011 | #2
What is this Kim? Have you written this essay? Why have you posted it here?
editor75  13 | 1844  
Jul 27, 2011 | #3
Meo, do you still think you can scold and correct newbies?

if a writer is ripped off by a company or customer, this forum is a convenient place to post the essay so that it shows up in Google plagiarism searches.

do a little research.
pheelyks  
Jul 27, 2011 | #4
Meo, do you still think you can scold and correct newbies?

Buford, do you really think MeoKhan was scolding or correcting?

if a person asks a question, it doesn't mean there is a bunch of hidden subtext and negativity but maybe just calls attention to the fact that something was posted here without any context.

do a little breathing.
editor75  13 | 1844  
Jul 27, 2011 | #5
Meokhan scolds newbies all the time... he's learning to be an unhelpful dick from the masters.

the difference is, he doesn't have anything to be a snide ass about, because he doesn't know wtf he's talking about.
mukhrjii4  - | 18  
Jul 27, 2011 | #6
huyu jamaa husinya bwana.. kwani shida yao ni gani? wanajiskia wanjua kila kitu. unakaa wapi man we chat kiasi?
pheelyks  
Jul 27, 2011 | #7
Meokhan scolds newbies all the time

Then it should be pretty easy for you to reference an instance....
MeoKhan  10 | 1357   ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Jul 27, 2011 | #8
Meo, do you still think you can scold and correct newbies?

I don't scold anyone. I have just asked the simple questions because if you read next to the poster's name, it's written STUDENT. So, my questions are natural.

unhelpful dick

I have already asked you to take care of the fact that I am not the one to get lured by your nonsense bait to start an argumen-a-thon with you that ends nowhere.

Secondly, please take note of the fact that I do not appreciate your using the swear words your parents have taught you.

The right place for you is to use them with the same people who taught these to you (i.e. your parents); I believe in clear, precise, and to-the-point argumentation which is supposed to be at least in a language that shows respect.

pheelyks

Thanks Pheelyks. I asked these questions only because I was wondering why a STUDENT had pasted an essay there. I don't know why editor75 loves to poke into everything irrelevant to him/her.

Then it should be pretty easy for you to reference an instance....

editor75

Yes, without running a long distance into no direction, you MUST show evidence to your false claim; otherwise your already 0 credibility on this forum will get on the negative curve after which if you're a person with any shame left in you, you'll leave this forum.
editor75  13 | 1844  
Jul 27, 2011 | #9
MeoKhan, most children learn to swear from their friends... if you had friends as a child, you'd understand.

I think it's funny that you think of the western world as a place in which most parents are actively engaged in teaching their offspring foul language. I think maybe you have some "issues" with your own parents to think about first, before you go blindly guessing about others'. how about it?

as for a reference, Pheelyks, since you're so anal-retentive about what passes for empiricism in this pit, it's still towards the top of the list-- I think the title is "you get cheap, you pay cheap."
MeoKhan  10 | 1357   ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Jul 27, 2011 | #10
Editor75, I don't have any misunderstanding about the western world; I am a writer who has read quite a lot about major cultures in the world.

However, I am NOT your friend so your using the swear words while you direct your posts to me tells me of your degraded values that I am sure you have learned from your parents.

Whatever issues I have with my parents or anyone, these do NOT reflect in my posts. My posts on this forum are constructive, positive, and objective.

By the way, you don't need to drag the conversation to a falsely emotional side; all you NEED IS POST EVIDENCE of my scolding newbies.

"you get cheap, you pay cheap."

That was no scolding. It was a serious post to let that poster know that this is a serious forum.

I am sure you mom taught you this word when your learned to speak your first word. This is so caring of her.
pheelyks  
Jul 27, 2011 | #11
as for a reference, Pheelyks, since you're so anal-retentive about what passes for empiricism in this pit, it's still towards the top of the list-- I think the title is "you get cheap, you pay cheap."

If by "anal-retentive" you mean that I like stated facts to be based on actual observations, then yeah.

In keeping with that spirit of empiricism, here's a definition of "scold" that I think we can agree on:

dictionary.reference.com/browse/scold

If you have a different definition from an objective source, I'd be happy to read it. Otherwise, what you've referenced isn't scolding at all.
editor75  13 | 1844  
Jul 27, 2011 | #12
Pheelyks-- yes, that's what I meant by anal-retentive. I'm glad you agree.

Meo-- once again, just so you know, kids don't usually learn to swear because their parents teach them. in most cases, parents punish their kids for swearing. kids primarily learn to swear by listening to and talking to their friends, and through watching movies and TV. I'm not sure what your projection of this problem says about your own childhood, but I'm very interested. what was your relationship with your parents like?
pheelyks  
Jul 27, 2011 | #13
Pheelyks-- yes, that's what I meant by anal-retentive. I'm glad you agree.

I think most of our conversations would go much more smoothly if you started out by telling me your definitions for things. I'm so used to using standard definitions from places like dictionaries and even common usage, so sometimes your own private meanings confuse me. According to this definition, for instance, all reputable scientists, researchers, journalists, and historians have made careers out of anal-retentiveness--you live in a very fun world!
editor75  13 | 1844  
Jul 27, 2011 | #14
it's interesting that you bring up anal-retentiveness and etymology, Pheelyks, because I'd like your two cents, as one of our nation's young "published" poets, regarding MeoKhan's response to the above-indicated "pay cheap, get cheap" post (did you read it, Pheelyks)-- a response that seems to fit the exact definition of scold, not just as a noun and verb, but also in the medieval sense of "skalding" and "flyting."

speaking of etymology, when I hear the word "scold," I think of it as being something which an authority figure does to someone of lesser power-- which brings me back to my main complaint here, snootiness aside-- MeoKhan's presumption of authority on this forum, and his lack of a stable base for this presumption.

I also wonder: MeoKhan, did your parents used to scold you for swearing? or did they take things further?
pheelyks  
Jul 27, 2011 | #15
it's interesting that you bring up anal-retentiveness and etymology

You brought up anal-retentiveness, Buford, and no one brought up etymology. I did bring up the meaning of the phrase, because your definition of anal-retentiveness is rather broader than the rest of the English-speaking world's.

speaking of etymology, when I hear the word "scold," I think of it as being something which an authority figure does to someone of lesser power-- which brings me back to my main complaint here, snootiness aside-- MeoKhan's presumption of authority on this forum, and his lack of a stable base for this presumption.

You set up and proceed to fall into a few traps here, and of course pointing them out will be useless, but here we go:

If "scolding" is simply "something which an authority figure does to someone of lesser power," then any time an authority figure talks to someone of lesser authority it is "scolding" (this is your explanation, not mine). This has nothing to do with any definition of scolding, medieval or otherwise.

If scolding can only be done by an authority figure and MeoKhan has no authority, then MeoKhan can't scold (the first steps of this syllogism are your own assertions, and the conclusion logically derived from these assertions).

You must have a lot of time on your hands now that you've lost your means of earning a living; surely you can come up with better arguments than this?
editor75  13 | 1844  
Jul 28, 2011 | #16
If scolding can only be done by an authority figure and MeoKhan has no authority, then MeoKhan can't scold

I'm glad you agree with me.

btw, what part of the condition "When I hear..." is unclear for you? you're the one who asked for my personal definition. byeither definition, in that other thread, Khan scolded a newbie for being too wordy.

speaking of personal definitions, I enjoy your literal interpretation of "published" to no end.

you've lost your means of earning a living

I don't think "lost" is quite the word for it. in any case, I had a new contractor within a week or two. feed your fantasies on someone else's bad luck, you pompous lard-ass.
MeoKhan  10 | 1357   ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Jul 28, 2011 | #17
Khan scolded a newbie for being too wordy

You know what, I have learned from your too verbose, too meaningless posts that you beat about the same bush WITHOUT giving heed to what arguments (however substantive) others are presenting.

Your purpose is just to stay active on this forum without contributing anything positive or constructive.

You love argument-a-thon but you don't know how to run.

You stated I scold newbieS (note the plural); now in the above post you're saying,

Khan scolded a newbie

.

Now, according to the dictionary meaning, I cannot scold anyone here because, as Pheelyks has already substantiated, I don't have authority over that person. I am just as ordinary a member of this forum as others.

So there are two very manifest contradictions found in your own statements: first I have not scolded anyone; secondly, you have FAILED miserably to post evidence against your statement that I scold ALL NEWBIES.

However, you're not ready to accept you love to jump in into any discussion only to get meaningless attention. The same thing you did here when I simply asked a few probing questions regarding an essay a STUDENT posted here.

Bottom line: Motion dismissed.
editor75  13 | 1844  
Jul 28, 2011 | #18
Now, according to the dictionary meaning, I cannot scold anyone here because, as Pheelyks has already substantiated, I don't have authority over that person.

you've mixed up my personal definition with the dictionary definition, which you didn't even read. how are you going to get better at English, if you don't study your vocab?

here is another lesson that may clear up your second misunderstanding:

the present tense can often be used to suggest habitual action: "Khan tends to try and scold newbies." here, the plural is used to indicate a group involved in a general, habitual action.

the simple past refers to a specific, completed action: "Khan tried to scold a newbie the other day-- it went horribly, in part because he's not very secure in the English language." here, the singular indicates the specificity of the past action.

the next lesson costs money.

in any case, your misunderstandings and attempts at holding your own in English are boring object lessons. the really interesting question is still unanswered: what did your parents do to you when you swore as a child?
MeoKhan  10 | 1357   ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Jul 28, 2011 | #19
You're the one who doesn't even know what capitalization is in English, and you're trying in vain to teach me tense rules, Lolz!

You stated NEWBIES - and presented only one instance which is also flawed. Where else have I "SCOLDED" newbies?

I have not used any swear words here on this forum anywhere. Hence, I am a more formal person who believes in mutual respect however heated argument I am into.

You use swear words a lot and this clearly tells me that your proficiency is not due to childhood friends, movies, etc. It's only because your parent(s) have taught them to you. How incredible!
pheelyks  
Jul 28, 2011 | #20
I'm glad you agree with me.

I don't actually agree with you, I just extended your logic to its ultimate conclusion. Because you seem to think that MeoKhan literally can't scold, though, it seems rather dim of you to accuse him of such. I guess the ultimate conclusion of your logic is that you're a self-contradictory ass.
editor75  13 | 1844  
Jul 28, 2011 | #21
you're trying in vain to teach me tense rules

I'm sorry that it's been in vain. have you tried Berlitz?

It's only because your parent(s) have taught them to you.

what did your parents do to you? why won't you talk about it?

Pheelyks-- please show everyone how much of a semanticist you are, and explain how Meokhan's abovementioned send-up of a newbie for wordiness isn't scolding, according to your own referenced definition.
pheelyks  
Jul 28, 2011 | #22
You're missing the point entirely, Buford. You claim that scolding requires authority, and that MeoKhan has no authority, making it impossible for MeoKhan to scold. Yet you also insist that MeoKhan is scolding people, defying your own description of what is logically possible.

Now, what you probably mean, is that only people that have authority should engage in scolding, and that MeoKhan has no authority and therefore shouldn't be scolding. Then we could get into another debate about what "scolding" actually entails, but right now you're still being self-contradictory.

Am I a "semanticist"? At times, perhaps. Are you dumb? Repeatedly.

Here's the "scolding" you keep referring to, by the way:

"[MeoKhan quoting uk researcher]: Pay cheap, get cheap

[MeoKhan]: If you had only written this single phrase, you'd have saved your time and ours too."

The only part of the definition for "scold" posted above that this statement fits is the "find fault with" portion; there is no evident anger or abusive language in this post, nor could it really be considered a reprimand or reproof.
editor75  13 | 1844  
Jul 28, 2011 | #23
Pheelyks-- I claim that the inferred meaning I get from scolding's usage, personally, involves the person doing the scolding having authority.

that doesn't mean that Khan can't try to do it-- just that he probably won't be successful, so he should probably stop... because the authority he's assuming is illusory.

whether the authority is illusory or not seems to be what's bothering you. think about it... and while you're doing so, watch that calling someone a dumb doesn't come back to haunt you.

as for Khan's snide comment being fault-finding, most definitely. as for it being a reprimand or reproof... you really don't think so? really? think again, and once again, watch out for boomerangs.
pheelyks  
Jul 28, 2011 | #24
that doesn't mean that Khan can't try to do it-- just that he probably won't be successful, so he should probably stop... because the authority he's assuming is illusory.

If you don't think he has actually ever succeeded in scolding, you probably shouldn't say that he does it all the time. Surely you can see the contradiction there?

As for whether or not the comment is a reprimand or reproof:

dictionary.reference.com/browse/reprimand
dictionary.reference.com/browse/reproof
dictionary.reference.com/browse/reproving

(I'll certainly agree it matches the first definition of "reproving," but that definition precludes the aggression necessary for "scolding")

and just to make sure we're clear on the "boomerang" concept:

dictionary.reference.com/browse/boomerang
MeoKhan  10 | 1357   ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Jul 28, 2011 | #25
what did your parents do to you? why won't you talk about it?

What your parents did to you is so obvious: They ruined your sense of distinguishing between formal and informal language. What my parents did to me is also obvious: They taught me the principle of mutual respect, co-existence, and formal words.

Now, you happy? Lolz! You're one poor soul always eager to get attention. What you're doing on this forum (accusing people of what they never did) is equal to celebrity purposeful wardrobe malfunction.

I claim

Who are you to claim? One poor eager-for-attention someone who doesn't even understand the arguments others present: You need to learn how to respect others' standpoints and views.

Your claims on this forum go unnoticed. Why? If you remember last time WB asked you to post evidence for your claims. You were nowhere to be seen. WHY??? Where are your claims to WB's demands?

When I am saying I did NOT scold that someone, how come you're saying the same thing over and over?
editor75  13 | 1844  
Jul 28, 2011 | #26
Meo- you're welcome for answering your question about why Kim posted here. if you actually knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't have had to ask. maybe you're scolding in this thread, maybe not... but you certainly were in the other.

your tone is what worries me-- that mix of misplaced pride and arrogance that marks another WB disciple. if I had doubts before, your last post has laid them to rest. you have joined the ranks.

Pheelyks- keep those definitions coming. not only do they make you look insecure and ignorant of the living language, but they also prove my point on a very basic level.
MeoKhan  10 | 1357   ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Jul 28, 2011 | #27
that doesn't mean that Khan can't try to do it-- just that he probably won't be successful, so he should probably stop... because the authority he's assuming is illusory

Hahaha! Ed75, what you're saying here is so incredulous and full of childishness that I can't help but laugh my butt off.

Now, what you're actually trying to do is switch place from, "MeoKhan was scolding" is "Khan can try to assume authority". This is simply an obvious indication of the fact that you're not yourself: You need therapy - Gestalt is the best one. You should for its dance version - because you love to dance around with your own statements.

Now, it's also clear that you don't come here to contribute constructively; contrarily, you just want shallow attention.
editor75  13 | 1844  
Jul 28, 2011 | #28
Meo, before you go recommending Gestalt therapy, consider this: the non corporeal internet entity of this message board is actually your own "empty chair." no wonder you're such a fan.

btw, incredulous is one of those adjectives that only applies to people, not things, places, or ideas (although it may work for an object associated with a a person, such as a smile). keep it in mind for the future.

the next English lesson will cost you, though.
MeoKhan  10 | 1357   ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Jul 28, 2011 | #29
that mix of misplaced pride and arrogance that marks another WB disciple

I'd openly state here that the other post of mind (in response to "Pay cheap, buy cheap") was not polite, for which I feel I should post my apology in the same thread.

As for being a disciple of WB, I have already acknowledged I have learned many concepts from her posts and from Pheelyks and some others. However, my posts clearly reflect that I write independent reviews which center on "helping" people who visit the forum. WB, P, and others like them are also doing the same thing. If this makes us a group, then it's a natural construction.

However, I have never shown any signs of the adjectives you've put above. You cannot prove even one single instance (other than the "Pay cheap" post). One slip should be allowed as I am also a human being.

None the less, coming to your side, your posts are meaningless pokes from 1 to present. Everyone will agree on that.

that only applies to people, not things, places, or ideas

So, this faulty definition you learned in school? This is arrogance that's the only thing you have in your mind. Sweetheart, read the definition below: dictionary.reference.com/browse/incredulous

1. not credulous; disinclined or indisposed to believe; skeptical.
2. indicating or showing unbelief:an incredulous smile.

Now, you need to revisit your native speaker arrogance and if you like I can teach you the correct use of adjectives without any costs. See how humane I am. Shame on you: you're trying to teach me something you never knew and that's also for a cost? Too bad.
editor75  13 | 1844  
Jul 28, 2011 | #30
although it may work for an object associated with a a person, such as a smile

you might want to also add some reading lessons to your list.
pheelyks  
Jul 28, 2011 | #31
they make you look insecure and ignorant of the living language

You use words in a way that others don't. Dictionaries exist as established arbiters of what words mean. Online dictionaries are much more facile and able to keep up with the "living language." Even the fact that dictionaries do not evolve as quickly as language itself does not mean that you can use a word any way you want--I don't think the meaning of "scold" has changed a great deal in the past few years.

You are also continuing to ignore the inherent flaw in your logic, regardless of what the dictionary definition of "scold" is.

Finally, in what way do these definitions "prove your point"? MeoKhan's statement was neither formal nor aggressive, both of which are parts of the definitions for scold and its synonyms. And "boomerang" means a statement in a debate/argument that comes back to hurt the person that said it--so far, calling you thick hasn't hurt me a bit. I think you should try looking up "definition" and "meaning" next.
mukhrjii4  - | 18  
Jul 28, 2011 | #32
Dictionaries exist as established arbiters of what words mean

we knpw this,,, shut up your beak, stop plagiarising
editor75  13 | 1844  
Jul 28, 2011 | #33
Pheelyks, his head buried in a dictionary, can't see the forest for the trees, as usual.

what an a-hole!
pheelyks  
Jul 28, 2011 | #34
Pheelyks, his head buried in a dictionary

You do realize it takes all of about five seconds to google a word, right?
MeoKhan  10 | 1357   ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Jul 29, 2011 | #35
you might want to also add some reading lessons to your list.

I have a long way to go with regard to reading and learning: I feel I know nothing. So, every day I try to read/learn something new.

Now, I'd recommend you start from looking up the definitions of "meaning" and "definition" (as suggested by Pheelyks), and then you should move on to learn what capitalization is for written English.

And eventually, you must learn to make constructive posts here and elsewhere so that people learn from your posts rather than waste their precious time.




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