Does anyone here have some reasonable statistics or experience about how accurate an automatic online quoting system for a typical essay website is? Let's say, there's a form to fill out some fields and script automatically calculates how much to pay for the order. But the problem is that essay requirements are unique and it is not always possible for a script to provide an accurate quote.
For example, a student may only require 2 pages, but it would take reading three books and doing a poll to research and write those 2 pages. The script would calculate a total price as $50, but no writer would be willing to do so much job for, let's say, $30. I understand such orders are not taken by writers and the client is stuck. Does it often happen?
Nearly every site that offers a stand-alone, automated "price calculator" is a fraudulent outfit from Ukraine, India, or Pakistan.
I saw something like that on many websites, not only scam ones? I mean a system that requires a client to pay right after filling out a form (where client can see the price in real time, depending on how many pages they choose, deadline date etc.). It is a very popular system, isn't it?
The essay companies that I write for all compute price based on page count and deadline. There's no mechanism for considering how much reading or work is actually involved. If you order an essay of just a few pages that requires some ridiculous amount of reading, the order is unlikely to get taken by any writer and you'll eventually just get a full refund. If the order doesn't specify the amount of reading involved, a writer may take the order, but if the files you subsequently upload require a ridiculous amount of reading, the writer will probably contact the company and the company will ask the writer what price might be appropriate.
Then, the company will explain to you that the amount of reading required for your order exceeds what they can do for the ordinary price of an essay of a few pages in length and they'll give you the option to pay more for the work involved, repost it on the board just in case some other writer wants to do it at the original price, or cancel the order altogether. When you order from a freelancer, there's no automated system involved, so we'll usually ask about the project and maybe to see the reading before giving you a price. If the amount of reading or other work is out of proportion to the page count, we'll explain that it's just not cost effective to price that project per written page and we'll quote a price based on the amount of work actually required. I just had this happen last week: prospective client wanted only 1 page on each of 4 readings; but the readings were pretty long and complex.
I explained that I can't possibly do those for the price of 1 written page and just quoted a fair price based on the time and work involved on my end. Automated systems can't really do that but at legitimate essay companies, that's one of the things that customer service reps do.
I saw something like that on many websites, not only scam ones?
I'm not referring to the price that appears in an order form. I'm referring to the STAND-ALONE "price calculator/quote" gadget that appears on the home page, for example, of various sites. Such sites are almost exclusively foreign, ESL, ripoff sites from Ukraine, Pakistan, and India.
Thank you for explanations, especially to FreelanceWriter. If many orders are not accurately priced then why not allow writers to set the price first and then ask the client to pay? That way writers could review the specifications and give an accurate estimate. Wouldn't it be more accurate and convenient for the purchaser? I understand the whole process would take more time, but it might be worth it?
I understand the whole process would take more time, but it might be worth it?
For busy companies, that is simply not the case.
Thank you for explanations, especially to FreelanceWriter.
No problem. It doesn't work that way because it's not practicable; and it doesn't happen on that many orders at all. The companies pay us a pre-established page rate and they also charge customers a pre-established page rate based primarily on the due date requested. We writers just see a virtual assignment board that posts all the available assignments and we just take whichever ones we want and ignore any we don't want. There's not really a practical way of implementing any automatic process that actually evaluates the complexity of the assignment description or that can identify an issue where the customer asks for a detailed 2-pg critical analysis of an obscure 400-pg book by its title, for just one example.
FreelanceWriter... if you work for the same rate regardless the complexity of the assignment, isn't it unfair to you (or to other writers)?
Some assignments are much harder than others, but generally, these assignments don't vary so widely in their complexity that this happens all that often. It's relatively rare that orders come in that require so much work that they're totally outside of the usual range of difficulty. There's not really an issue of fairness because: (1) the order posting process is automated, and (2) the companies I work for respond appropriately when one of their experienced writers notifies them that a particular order may not be realistic for the usual price. They notify the customer of the issue and let them decide whether they want to pay more for it, take their chances reposting it as is for other writers to consider, or cancel it for a full refund. That's about as fair as you can get all the way around.
I see. Still, a customer may be confused (and upset) because he already paid and would not receive the project (unless he pays more). But if it doesn't happen often then it is not a big deal.
Thank you for your helpful explanations.
No problem. The customer might be confused but shouldn't really be upset because they still have the option of not doing anything different or paying any extra. The company would just be advising you that there's a very good chance that no writer will choose to take that particular order for the usual price. At least that puts you on notice and gives you the option of paying more to increase the chances that it will be completed. If you say no, they just repost it (or just leave it on the board as is, if no writer ever took it but contacted the company after reading the specs on the board) and the customer is still in the exact same position as before. If no writer ever takes it, the order would just be refunded the same as any other order that doesn't get taken off the board by any writer. If you place an order that represents a totally unrealistic amount of work for the usual price, you're better off at least finding that out as early as possible so you can decide what to do.
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As an update to this posting, I would just like to share some information regarding the automatic price calculation method. While the software does this for most companies until now, there have actually been some writing companies that have caught on the fraud that the students perpetuate when signing up for the service so that they can get the lowest cost possible per page. These days, a human reviews the order within the system and, when the order reviewer feels that the paper is priced too low for its complexity, the system then displays a message saying so and then encourages the writer who is interested in working on the order to bid for what he believes the fair price for the paper work to be. These bids are then sent to the student, who then picks the most appropriate writer based on his maximum budget per page for the paper. Since the client normally doesn't wish to pay more, the order then matures out of the system and is then either removed automatically or, the student re-places the order, this time, with a more appropriate cost per page represented.
Did it ever occur to you that the company management could be screwing around with the writers with regards to the bidding system? I mean, there is nothing to stop them from changing the original order placement of the client, which would have been properly priced. Since the company has control of the server and the orders placed on it, they could easily manipulate what is shown to the writers. So a straightforward order could become a "bid" simply because the company wants to pay the writers less / increase the cut of the company. They could easily pose as the client and choose the writer whose bid fits their idea of the proper amount to pay out to the writer. This is a ploy that the companies often use during the slow months. The clients would never be the wiser because all they are after is getting a completed paper.
Unless an order is very simple, I don't see how online pricing can ever be accurate. Each project varies according to the subject area, complexity, and other factor. Unless the company's order form includes many option choices where the client can select what else is involve apart from just writing, it cannot possibly be accurate. However, for companies (like other users mentioned), that pay their writers very lower per page rates, the online price probably does generate a decent profit margin. The writers are the ones who suffer in most "online price" scenarios.
Automatic pricing has lost it's value in the updated academic writing market. The prices are now negotiated by a human being on the other end of the chat. It took some time but the companies finally realized that automating the pricing system was not good for their profits since the writers kept asking to renegotiate the price of the orders either through bids, or upon assignment of the order to the writer. The automated pricing was not accurate then and isn't accurate now. Pricing should only be done by human beings, not AI. Mostly because human beings work on the principles of logic that may not be programmable into an AI. You know, stuff like work hours, actual page count, specific client requests, these are things an AI can never understand and price properly as a part of a given service.
The student will always do well to use the chat feature of the website when he has specific requirements for his paper that cannot be considered by the automatic pricing software. The client assistant always has access to the full pricing considerations for special projects and can easily provide the correct price per page for the order and also, explain any additional pricing considerations that would affect the final cost of the paper.
The opinions are that of the author's alone based on an individual capacity. Opinions are provided "as is" and are not error-free.
Let me reiterate something that I've previously explained: namely, that the sole purpose of "chat assistants" at essay companies is to convert every inquiry into a paid order ASAP, and preferably, within the very first commnications exchange. Their answer to every question will always be that they have the "perfect expert" with an advanced degree in whatever the field of your project. They're always endlessly polite and "helpful" before they get their hands on your money. After that, if you have any complaint about the work that they provide and, especially, if you ever try to invoke one of their satisfaction "guarantees" or money-back guarantees, their tone will shift dramatically and they'll either refer you to the fine print of their "policies" that exempt them from any further obligation, or ghost you after a few exchanges, or start threatening you unless you retract the payment dispute that you rightfully initiated after they provide you with a totally worthless project for your hard-earned money.
