The Hierarchy System within Essay Writing Companies

Over the course of reading through various threads, I see that many legitimate writing companies employ a seniority based system with regards to what orders are accessible by their writers. Someone, I think WritersBeware? mentioned that it would be impractical to do otherwise, which I suppose I can understand. However, as such I am wondering if *said* companies such as SNR or CP have actual quantifiable guidelines to measure seniority and merit? Are the activities of writers monitored in a hierarchical level based system from feedback of clients, and number of orders taken? Or is it much more analogous to lions at feeding time-- basically being "first come first serve" so that those at the top can make a decent wage, while those near the bottom are making a pittance? I hope this question makes sense, and thanks in advance!

Regards,
Jess

Jess-

Using a lot of big words is not a sign of intelligence, or even good writing. Before you concern yourself with the complexities of this industry, I would suggest you work on your written communication skills.

Hierarchical and analogous aren't big words pheelkys, but thanks for playing and being an unhelpful ass-- as per usual. Does someone actually have something relevant?

This in bold. But your question still doesn't make sense.

I dunno--I'd say words start getting big around four syllables. If you mean they're not so big that other people shouldn't know what they mean, you're right, but your question is incredibly wordy and because of that you've managed to trip yourself up with errors in grammar, syntax, and plain old clarity. You seem to equate having an extensive vocabulary with intelligence/good writing skills, and you're wrong.

It is perfectly clear Tom. By first come first serve, are orders within these companies:
A. Immediately accessible by everyone--the first one to claim the order, writes the order.
OR
C. Certain orders are only accessible only by certain writers, which is determined by a measurable skill level from said company.

Yes, I realize wrote C. instead of B.

Huh?

Why don't you ask the companies to get an unbiased opinion? Once you do that, share it with us.

I wish you knew the difference between the two! If you did, you certainly wouldn't have used these terms to over-generously. OMG!


Wow!


so*

Dont know what people here bin drinking lately but it must be stronger than Russian vodka.

I do. He has problems with both. The problems also occur concurrently in many situations. Before you try to educate others, try not being stupid.

thanks for the heads up.

Shouldn't you apply it to yourself when you make an ass of yourself on this forum?

You and editor75 are the only ones that have accused me of "making an ass" of myself. Frankly, your opinions don;t really count much to me or anyone else here.

Ugh, I hate that forums here turn into something mean spirited and moreover; ridiculous. WTH was your point in posting Meokhan, except to cause drama?!? The fact of the matter is that, yes, pheelkys you are completely right-- I was too verbose and ridiculous in trying to ask a question which could be phrased in much simpler terms. It is just that sometimes I type as I speak, which can be excessively overwrought. However, as someone who is busting* their ass trying to become a better writer, and provide a service; I hate that any questions here get shot down so immediately and dismissively... I am not an ESL speaker (I say that with no judgment,) I am not someone who is trying to make a quick buck ( because that is all it is, quick and unworthy,) but I AM someone who graduated from a fairly reputable college, and is looking to make a side income doing something I love---namely, writing academic papers. I know that I have much room for growth and improvement in my writing and moreover, this forum is full of fakes, cheaters, liars etcetcetc...but any assistance you can give in regards to these companies is truly appreciated beyond any monetary value. I hope you can forgive me for calling you an ass; such behavior is childish and unnecessary--for that I apologize.

Thanks again,
Jesse

this semi-colon is completely wrong

How knowing this: "do many legitimate writing companies employ a seniority based system with regards to what orders are accessible by their writers" would make you a better writer?

The concept is quite foreign to my logic. I would understand if you were asking about different strategies to write, the best sources for finding information, the most productive time of the day based on other writers' experience, etc.

Can you explain? And - most importantly - have you contacted the companies to find out? I'd also be interested to know the true answers to those questions.

In my opinion, 'first time first serve' is as fair as it gets. If WriterA is willing to get up in the morning to take an available project and WriterB prefers to sleep till noon, then WriterA should be rewarded more. You claim it that is unfair?

That's why you shouldn't ever present yourself as a professional writer for hire. Nobody's interested in paying good money for work from someone whose writing still needs improvement, by his own admission.

Everyone needs improvement, yourself included FreelanceWriter. I looked you up on E-Lance--fascinating that you did not have a SINGLE order completed. So before you start lecturing me, you can take a f***** flying leap buddy.

Yeah. Really fascinating that a freelance writer might sign up for one of the hundreds of freelancing sites out there as a means of learning more about the process, then deciding they don't want to take any of the bulls-i* low paying orders that people place on these sites. Last time I checked, E-lance was full of people wanting 10 articles for ten bucks for their "blogs" and offers to hire writers that can "spin" an already-written article twenty different ways for SEO work for similarly low wages.

Before you start drawing inferences, you might want to get a fu**-n clue.

How could someone 'lecture you' (considering it's your first post)?

I'm kind of wondering about this, too. I sincerely doubt his first ID got banned, so my guess is he mistyped his username (S being so close to D), thought his account had somehow been terminated, and so signed up anew as "JessS" without realizing his mistake. While I make many typos myself and so cannot find fault there, I do make it a habit of reading things over when they don't make sense instead of just plowing ahead....

A. You're the one who said that your writing needs work, not me. I mean, it's obvious that it does because even your forum posts have glaring grammar and punctuation problems, but the point is simply that you have no business offering professional services of any kind while you're still an amateur at it. Perfect your skills first and then start charging people money for your work. That's not a "lecture"; it's an observation that really ought to be fairly obvious to anybody. Would you take your car to a mechanic who said that he still needed some improvement on his car repair skills but was willing to try fixing your car? No? Well, that's probably exactly how most essay-writing customers feel about amateurs whose writing "needs improvement" by their own admission.

B. As Pheelyks said, I've never bid on a single Elance project because they all pay only a small fraction of what I get paid on the cheapest work that I ever do. I signed up to see what kind of work was available after hearing about the site on this forum and as another way of letting clients find me on their own. Your equating that somehow with a measure of the quality of my writing illustrates that needing improvement in your technical writing skill is not your only obstacle to writing for a living: you're not very bright either. Buddy.

Freelance Writer is an absolute professional.

I get by FW, this is not the issue. However, would a Ford mechanic tell someone who just drove an Italian Maserati into the their shop they would be able to repair it? No, likely they wouldn't depending on what the problem was. Likewise, if someone asks me if I can write a 20 pg thesis concerning the working of a particle accelerator, in 2 days, would I accept the order? No I would not, and have not for similar projects. Did I ever claim to be this guy?

chronicle.com/article/The-Shadow-Scholar/125329/

Again. Hell no.

However, if an individual approaches me and asks me if I can write a thorough and comprehensive 5 page essay on the societal mores of Japan, would I take the order? Yes, and I would do so willingly. Considering I lived in Nagoya for 2 years, have knowledge of the subject and wrote about it regularly I would be more than confident in my own abilities. As such, I have no doubt that you are echelons higher than me in your writing abilities F.W. However, is an amateur photographer not capable of taking decent photography and furthermore making it for sale? Yes, if the millions of successful boutiques in my town are anything to go by. Are the customers expecting a level of work that is comparable to Steve McCurry, Art Wolfe or Annie Leibowitz? No, of course not. However, this does not make his contribution any less of one. Additionally, the fact that you think E-Lance is SO below your your standards is hilarious, to say the least. Considering that YOU set the bids, and that there is AMPLE work in many fields of writing, your "it's a poor man's site" holds little water. Well...I am off to not be very bright.

It's not an issue of knowledge, it's the fact that you make mistakes with usage that you don't seem to care about. There are several major errors in your above post, but I'm guessing you wouldn't be able to find them on your own.

Fair enough.

*However, would a Ford mechanic tell someone who just drove an Italian Maserati into the their shop that they would be able to repair it?

knowledge of the subject lack of comma and wrote about it regularly

There are others. I understand your point. When I write on here, I often do so very quickly and without revision. Even though it's a forum, I understand that this is NO excuse. I will pay more attention in future posts.

Jess D....Freelance writer is a TRUE professional writer. He is the connsumate professional. Do we all have our faults? yes. But if you reach the level of success he has, you will be in fine shape.

I wouldn't take my Ford to a Ford mechanic either if he didn't really know how to use a wrench very well or if he admitted that his car repair skills "need improvement."

As Pheelyks suggested, you can't identify the bad grammar in your own writing even when you're specifically trying to show people that you can. Nobody's talking about "commas" or accidental double words (which I deleted for you in this example) or about careless typos attributable to writing quickly on a forum. You don't even know when to use singular or plural and you've demonstrated that in all of your previous posts as well. Thats a freshman writing issue, Buddy. Nobody wants to pay good money for you to make the same basic writing mistakes that he could make himself without paying anybody for it.


Actually, you're arguing with (at least) two people here who are exactly that guy. We're just trying to tell you that you've inserted yourself into a league of those guys and the more you continue arguing with us about writing for a living, the more stupid you're going to prove you are. Nobody wants to pay good money for your freshman-level writing, Buddy.


You suggested that the fact that I haven't done any work on Elance somehow means that my writing might need improvement. That's a very stupid argument, much like saying that someone with an ebay account he's never used must be dishonest because he has zero feedback. My comments weren't really about Elance and I'm sure there's plenty of work there that suits some people, just not me. I was just responding to the idiocy of your argument that equates not taking work on a particular site with being a bad writer.

It doesn't. Admitting that your writing "needs improvement" makes you a bad writer, or at least too bad to offer professional writing services. That's you, Buddy.


Hey, we're all good at something.

A consummate professional who also portrays himself as self-satisfied. How utterly delightful. Until, you show us your tax returns F.W. or any other indication that you are *that* guy-- I will take you at face value, which mean no value at all.

P.S.
There was no mistake ass (or as you would say, a$$) but thanks for playing.

www-personal.umich.edu/~jlawler/aue/they.html

You can use they generically, which violates the Rule of Grammar that says
that they is Plural, and therefore can't be used with Singular reference, even Indefinite Singular reference, just as you can't use we.
(This violates a Number Agreement rule)

Once the patient is prepped, they should
be moved into the delivery room.

Neither rule seems to me worth dying for, since they're just generalizations about number and gender agreement, and Number and Gender are just abstract grammatical properties. On its surface, it should be about as important to public policy as, say, Goldbach's Conjecture. Obviously, everybody does as they please, for whatever reason pleases them.

I can also reference Strunk and White's Elements of Style if you wish. Thanks for the attempted lesson. Much appreciated =)

you do peoples' homework for them-- try taking yourself a little less seriously.

Jess also had a pretty good question, which you're ignoring in favor of taking apart their (yes, their) grammar.

This isn't your only singular/plural issue, and while sources disagree on this topic there are a lot of professors that would mark this as wrong. "They" has become popular as a non-gender-specific singular pronoun, but the word unquestionably is a plural form. This rule might be changing, but it is not a widely accepted change as of yet and it is generally better to avoid this issue. One of my professors actually tried to use this in her book about gender identity and mysticism, and was told it wasn't acceptable by her publisher--she decided to alternate between "he" and "she" every chapter to keep the book balanced but still in the realm of proper English.


Really? Numbers are only abstract grammatical properties? So the difference between my net worth and Warren Buffett's is just a matter of semantics?


No, some people actually develop reasons based on rationality and consensus rather than personal whims.


Please do. I would love to see where Strunk and White say that "they" is an acceptable singular referent.


First of all, his question really isn't all that good, and both of you would realize that if you understood how this industry works (meaning the general relationship between customers and businesses, not the specific business operations employed, which vary from company to company). Second, Jess has already identified himself as a male, if I recall, meaning your use of "they" is entirely incorrect--the only time it is used as a singular pronoun in a justifiable manner is when it refers to a person of unknown gender. Don't you get tired of losing due to a complete lack of empiricism?

unknown gender to whom, you selfish one... you, or the person using the construction?

Anyone previously involved in the discussion who has remedial writing and cognition skills . . . . I guess that's why you're on the outside looking in-again.

Why are you so focused on gender? Why can't you step up to the plate and admit that your false accusations about my gender-in particular-are irrelevant? Why did you run away from the debate like a little b**-h, after having relentlessly harped on the issue for so long?

So, you again are begging ignorance on an issue that could have been resolved by a quick bit of reading. Have it your way--I was "selfish" in assuming you would read a thread before posting in it. Meanwhile, you're lazy, willfully ignorant, and an a$_$hle. Yay!

I wasn't making any accusations here-- just wondering why no one is answering Jess' questions, preferring instead to attack his/her grammar. thanks, man, for making something you're declaring irrelevant your new focus, and a new focus of yet another twisted, bickering non-thread that not once addresses its title.


this goes for you, too, you twee nerd. calling me an a-hole-- and being afraid to actually type the word-- has nothing to do with why this person started the thread. again: no one has answered Jess' question, which wasn't a bad one.

I'm not afraid to type the word, I just assumed the mods' filter would have replaced it with asterisks if it recognized it. Apparently I was wrong. I wonder if that means I can call you a c bag?

Guess so, c bag!

big surprise-- you're very brave on the internet.

First you say I'm a coward for not writing an expletive, then you imply that I'm posturing when I do. I keep for getting that logic and reality have no place in discussions with you.

it's logic you can't accept-- either way, you lose. just because it causes dissonance to you personally, doesn't mean it's not logical.

What's "it"? And if "it" is the fact that you're a hypocrite, how are the hypocritical statements/implication you make logical? Why do you continually insist on posting comments with little relevance and less sense?