The association between the quality of an essay site's web copy and the quality of its essays?

This is a good debate topic (started here): How strong is the association between the quality of an essay site's web copy and the quality of its essays? As editor75 said, it is not a direct relationship, and there are lots of native speakers writing for foreign sites. On the other hand, as WB intimated, s-i*ity web copy suggests that the owners aren't applying themselves. I mean, how much could it possible cost to get a native to clean that up?

The owners of a company hire the company's writers. If the owners have little to no grasp of the English language, how can they honestly advertise that the company provides/guarantees "quality writing" in the English language? They are in no way qualified to assess the quality of their writers' work, and they certainly do not have the legal standing on which to charge customers based on completely misleading pretenses.

non English speaking owners don't personally vet writers. this is usually outsourced to people who do speak English, or a standardized test.

Oh, really, Rusty? Where's your proof? You sure pulled that one directly out of your as*.

if you don't believe me, and you know something that counters what I just posted, feel free to post it. otherwise, it seems that you're just being contrary.

I've worked in this industry for years; my posts are based on my experiences.

you seem to actually think that ESL-speaking owners personally vet their writers. maybe you're being stubborn, but statements like that make you look very out of touch.

Ah, so you want me to prove negatives now, right? Sorry, but that's not how it works. You made one hell of an assertion. YOU need to prove it.


So, Rusty, if the owners of helpessays don't do the vetting, who does? I'd like a specific and definitive answer, please.


By the time we stop posting in this thread, we'll see who has been proven "out of touch."

I post based on my experiences. all of the overseas companies for which I've written have given me a standardized grammar test and/or have gone over writing samples. none of the companies I've worked for, even in geographical areas more familiar to you, has ever asked me to write web copy, or has responded to me when I have offered to edit their bad web copy. in the two cases in which I was hired directly by upper management, they were not ESL speakers. also, the vast majority of companies I've worked for have let me pick and choose orders. I'm sorry if these facts don't jibe with the laws and proofs required of your bizarro world. but to most people, they are just basic facts of the industry. I keep forgetting that you have a screw loose.

Let's get something straight, criminal: your word means nothing. Do you really think that people are supposed to take you at your word? Give me a break.

1. Name all of the "overseas companies" so that I can apply to each and every one of them in order to verify your claims about "standardized grammar tests."

2. If not the owners, specifically who "goes over" your/the writing samples to determine quality?

3. Whether or not they ask you to write Web copy is utterly irrelevant. What is relevant is that the owners think that their copy is sound.

given your tendency to threaten to get the identity and destroy the livelihoods of forum posters for no good reason, I'll pass on giving you my resume. it does strike me that if you're going to make that much extra effort on a fool's errand, a better idea would be to apply to helpessays.

Sorry, Rusty, but you're not squirming out of this one. The days of your and queen sheba posting completely fabricated bulls-i* are over. Just like QS has done over the last couple days since I openly challenged her in a dedicated thread, you will also slither away. I will post a link to this thread over and over and over again until you admit that you have lied.

in that case, I guess it's up to me. and I thought you were here to help.

I'm going to apply to helpessays and post their process, instead of profiling them on bad web copy and the nationality of their ownership.

Sorry, that's NOT what I requested. Again, you're not squirming out of this one. You made very specific claims about OTHER sites for which you have ALREADY worked. My request and question are quite clear.

well, stalky, none of their ownership personally hired or screened me either, but it's in the past, and I didn't get all the screenshots you require.

I hope helpessays' owner speaks some English. I think I'm going to pretend that the industry standard is to have writers hired and screened directly by company ownership, and then I'm going to act confused when they don't put me through directly.

It's funny how I become a "stalker" after I call you on your bulls-i*.


Oh, really? That's not what you claimed earlier in this thread:



Since when does it require "screenshots" to name all of the "overseas companies" for which you've worked?

god, you're dense. your original claim was about ESL ownership, and I made it clear that those two cases weren't ESL owners.

Identify them and I will contact them myself. I will then post the results of my investigation. People can decide on their own if what you claim is true.


No, actually, I'm systematically tearing you apart, as usual.

keep dreaming, toots. I'll let you know what's up after I'm done with my personal interview with helpessays.com[DND*]'s owner (haha).

Once again, for all to see, Rusty is a serial LIAR who will make any outlandish, untrue claim that he thinks will benefit his propaganda campaign. Suddenly, he can't remember the "overseas companies" for which he's worked, even though he has used them as the basis of his argument in this very thread?


Hellllooooooooo, Rusty? Why aren't you naming the companies? It wouldn't be because you know I'll promptly expose your bulls-i* claims, would it?

Basically, if the company cannot create a well worded English blurb for their website, then it would be impossible to trust that they would hire quality writers for their company.

I mean, if they cannot proof-read their own copy, how can the client be sure that the Quality Assurance Department of the company can properly review and assess the quality of work the writer is turning over to them for submission to the client?

It is kind of like the company not being able to see the dirt on their own faces while looking at a mirror.

If they accept bad web copy that, from what I hear, they actually pay for sometimes, then I guess they would hire a writer off the street without really checking for the writer's competence in the field.

Sure they ask the writers to take grammar tests, but since the test is given online, it kind of makes me wonder. I mean, the applicant can easily check for the required proper grammar online so that certainly defeats the purpose of the test.

So yes, I would have to agree that the quality of a website's copy could very well signal the quality of the essays that the company will be providing.

Since my company also deals with the writing of web copy for various online companies and corporations, I know that the copy quality of the website, its textual presentation, is what helps to create the image of the company. The company owners value the grammar and structural presentation of the web copy because their ability to perform a promised task is first based on the way the company speaks for itself online. Therefore, the written image of the company is the first and foremost consideration for their potential client. It is suffice to say that the same rules apply to the academic outsourcing companies.

If a company uses pidgin English, or broken English on their website, then the potential client will have enough reason to rethink their services. The quality of their writers work is judged primarily by the copy on the site. The students are not privy to the fact that these academic outsourcing companies intentionally use broken English for their keyword presentation to get around search engine blocks and highlight their page listing in the search engines. They would just think that the company uses the worst ESL writers available to the they should not expect any quality from the essay products of the company. After all, academic writing companies that use horrible English, usually charge the cheapest prices.

Just like everything else in this world, a company has only one shot at making a good first impression on the potential client. That first impression normally comes in the form of the company website. The job of the website is not only to advertise the company and its services, it is also tasked with creating the impression that the writers working for the company are reliable, competent, and with proper writing abilities. Since these companies hire their in-house writers to complete the copy for the site, you would think that the company would make sure that the web copy would be an accurate representation of their essay writers abilities. They would want the best work of their writers to be reflected on their site. It appears though that the companies prefer the opposite. They are more focused on the gloss of their site, instead of the quality of the content. Maybe it is because of the era of Instagram that the company owners would rather sell gloss instead of the ability of their writers. Whatever the reason, they have no excuse to use bad web copy on their sites. If you ask me, it just reflects bad business practices.

For some of the reasons mentioned above, the writing on an essay company's website usually represents the highest quality of writing that the company's writers can produce. So, if their web copy is poorly written, you can be sure that the essays they provide are going to be even worse. That doesn't necessarily mean that a company with a well-written website will provide good work, because they could have outsourced the web copy or had it written by their best writer from their stable of 100+ other horrible writers. The point is that if they can't even write their own web copy properly, there's very little chance that they're going to be able to provide high-quality academic projects.