Are you Compromizing academic honesty?

I am a PhD learner, quite honestly, I find it alarming that anyone who has spend a good part of their useful life studying could actually seek a dissertation service, to: (1) write a proposal for them (2) "pretend" to do some research and write it up and (3) a final dissertation.

This is incomprehensible and should be reason for dismissal from any PhD. program world wide.
However, I do understand that we all need coaching from mentors, chairs, committees or even writing review service and services that check for unintended ethical and academic threats such as plagiarism, these are essential services for production of YOUR OWN quality work and research. I real think all essays and dissertation should list all contributors paid or not showing exactly what their role was. Else, the whole Essay and Dissertation concept should be totally scrapped.

The purpose of a dissertation is to certify one's capability to conduct scientifically valid research, so that when they go into the field they are true researchers. If you feel you have no time (or interest in research), there are many doctorate programs called (DCA, DCS, DBA etc.), that way you do not have to buy services from high School Drop Outs.

Yes, I avoid doing dissertations like the plague for this reason. If someone asks me for help with some preliminary research, that's fine, but it is fraudulent, incredibly illegal, and immoral to fake Ph. D-level research. I will also do proofreading and editing of dissertations, but that is about it.

Yawn . . . .

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WritersBeWare. You obviously don't understand the meaning of ignore! it means "do nothing".
Thank you for your comment and not ignoring my concern. That you find it boring, could be a measure of your interest in the subject. Note* "If you post meaningless or spam messages your account will be suspended" - So I am counting this for you is (1...!).

Your syntax is wonky as hell, which is somewhat suspicious. Anyways, I posted a meaningful comment, no response to that?

AmonsEssays

My you are good! My syntax is atrocious, because English is a 10th language for me. I would however never ever use a "research shop", for the purposes of getting a PhD. However I am not opposed to using editors and language experts, who ensure that my thoughts are conveyed appropriately, rather than conveying "cooked up" findings based on fake research design.

So, yes, I think your service is needed before and after graduation, because communications is difficult but essential. I have no issues with services such as yours neither should anyone.


Thank you, what a nice Christmas present! lovely.

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I guess your question should be addressed to individual students, not writers or companies. If you mean writers or companies then it's like you asked liquor store owners if they compromise the society by allowing drunk drivers or broken families.

English is the 10th language you speak? Ok ... what are the other 9? I speak 4 LIVING languages (besides English). We must have a couple in common. So, what languages do you speak?

When someone comes here, posts drivel and makes a ludicrous claim about speaking 10 languages, I want more info. Please provide it or go away ...

Thank you. I do agree: The whole society suffers tremendously if Ph. D papers are faked. But I would point out that part of the reason I, and other people, don't take them is because a) it is difficult to do such research and rarely worth our time, b) it exposes us to legal risk in ways that graduate and undergraduate work does not.


Well, no, I don't think that's a fair analogy. A liquor store owner's entire POINT is that they sell alcohol, and they're not responsible for alcohol abuse. People can buy their product and use it responsibly.

This is like asking a security company not to perform assassinations. The security company can still make money from other services, and assassinations are the direct responsibility of the company.

Today is not Christmas. Take your pompous attitude and backhanded insults against essay writers elsewhere.

Today is boxing day and I want to box FrankC :)

I am not sure what nerve I am striking. But I have nothing against writers or verifiers or what have you. But I am aginst 'Dessertation Shops" and both vendors and students who buy from them. A writer is a coach so to speak and evryone needs a coach at one point or another. However, a fake dissertation shop is well???

On languages, i don;t think this is the appropriate forum to duke it out about languages. Howver basic probarbility can also infer that if A speaks 8 languages and B speaks 10 languages, in a world of over 100000000000 languages, we are lucky to be able to have one language in common. That is, if you think my knowledge of English can be counted as proficient English. In any case 10 or 8 becomes one, half dozen, or the other [drop in a bucket]...and when I say world I mean world not as in World Series in our favourite game of baseball.

Uhhhhh, the number of living languages and dialects is far below 100,000,000,000. That'd be more than one unique language per person over all of human history. If you think of the number of global speakers of the big languages (bigger dialects of Chinese, French, English, Arabic), the likelihood that any two people share a language is actually fairly high.

When someone says that they can speak 10 languages, they imply that they can do more than a few words or phrases. You're not fluent in English, but I would say you can "speak" it.

If I wrote the results and discussion chapters of a nursing graduate student's thesis and explained the results to her so that she'll be knowledgeable enough to defend it, would you say that she "faked" her thesis? It's all a matter of what you do with what you buy.


I disagree. I charge an average of $25/250 words for dissertations requiring statistical analysis. They're worth my time.

Uhhhhh, yes, yes I would say EXACTLY THAT. Doing the research yourself and having someone explain it to you afterwards are night and day. The idea of a graduate thesis is that it expresses some advance in the state of the art or some key part of someone's academic or professional work. You can't buy that. It's fraud, and there are pretty specific laws about that sort of thing.

In any respect, this is a silly handwave. Companies may claim to do this, but many don't. Further, what counts as "explaining?" Going over every sentence in detail? Going over each paragraph? Or just summarizing it in a few sentences? The slippery slope is too slick here.


Is it done WELL? I don't take anything unless I know it can be done well, and unless you have a degree in every relevant field at a graduate level or above, you CANNOT guarantee this to your clients.

Are you familiar with a 2003 article by Simkin & Roychowdhury called "Do Copied Citations Create Renowned Papers"? They demonstrated that a majority of the authors of peer-reviewed scientific papers simply copy the references in their citations from previously published papers. (They showed that the frequency with which certain articles are cited and the multiple identical instances of specific citation mistakes in those references could not possibly be explained by random chance.)

Don't you think that fraudulent research in peer-reviewed scientific literature is a much more serious issue than what you've gotten your panties all bunched up over?

Oh, that's a totally fair point, Freelance. Then again, that's actually not as bad as it seems. Some articles DO need to be cited over and over again. Try writing a sociology dissertation without at least REFERENCING Merton, or "strength of weak ties", or anything in that vein.

But the problem is bad enough without adding onto it. It's one thing to fill out your reference sheets with more articles that you don't read. Frankly, I do that a lot, and it's a good thing. Your Works Cited / Bibliography / References SHOULD include more than you cited. If something's cited a lot, then it likely is important enough to be referenced.

It's another thing entirely to not even write the entire dissertation.

Right on.


Oh please, if the student learned the content of the paper and can prove it by defending the work, who wrote what hardly matters. It won't matter to me since I've been handsomely rewarded for my services, it won't matter to the student since she would probably never have to write another research paper in her life after she graduates (and if she did, I'd still be there for her), and it won't matter to the school because hello... they can't prove that she didn't write something that she has already learned about and can defend properly.


LOL!!! Do you think that I'd be able to get people to pay me $25/250 words if I couldn't deliver a product that meets their and their schools' expectations? I'll let you in on a little secret: you don't need to be an actual nurse to be able to write a distinction-level dissertation in the field of nursing, just as you don't need to be able to write a distinction-level dissertation in the field of nursing to be an effective nurse manager.

Pedagogical theory, common sense and psychology disagree with you. To paraphrase Humboldt: Nothing you own is so much yours as what you do. Dissertations are supposed to be a key step in someone's academic journey, a holistic part of their knowledge and experience. Buying it cheapens the process.

Getting someone else to edit it, or to help with a research section (which is usually by the numbers...) That's fine. But the whole thing? No. In any respect, this is a LEGAL, not a philosophical, matter.

It matters to you because it exposes you to legal risk. It matters to her for the same reason and because it prepares her less effectively for her actual job. And it's bad for the school, and the whole of amassed knowledge.

In any respect, your scenario is a dream. Exceedingly few people can purchase a 30-50 page paper then defend it like they wrote it. Yes, they might be able to beat suspicion, but they didn't actually learn anything within it.

Further, in many dissertations, you're supposed to be doing actual RESEARCH. Living in the country, doing a survey or study, etc. It's not just taking existing data and plugging in statistics. If you do a dissertation ground up, that's terrible.


Yes, yes I do. And the fact that you ask that question as if any response but the one you'd prefer is absurd shows me that either

a) You don't know the industry very well

or

b) You're making a stupid argument to cover up that this was an accurate critique.

Neither bode well.

I was reading until you signed off with this. Then I realized the issue may not be the ethics of the industry, but a preconceived stereotype you have of the industry. How do high school drop outs get to write a winning phd thesis? If they do, then, we need more of those high school dropouts than the phd holders supervising the students.

Another (simple) observation that comes out, from subsequent arguments, is that doing a report for graduate and undergraduate levels, is a lesser "evil" than for the phd students. Don't they also come to "serve" the society based on what they have learned?

The ethical nature of this industry cannot be discussed as to the manner in which the customer uses the product, but as to the quality and what the product, when used rightfully, can achieve. If we went on discussing every product based on how the consumer uses it, irrespective of there being instructions of appropriate use, at times, then hardly would any product pass the "ethical" rating.

Err... so it's fine to write "model" papers for students, but not "model" dissertations? Should I have used dummy data instead of my client's data and told her to repeat the analysis herself? Have you ever heard of people paying statisticians to do their statistical analysis for them? Is that illegal now? I just provide the added service of a "model" discussion in addition to the results that is written in the fashion of peer-reviewed journal articles that defense panels just oh so love. ^_^ Whether or not the client uses the "model" as her own is not up to me. :p


Well, I see you didn't listen to that little secret I whispered. Your loss. ^_^


Thus far, I have made no attempt to insult you. My first response was in simple disagreement with your post that writing "model" dissertations is not lucrative (and I stand by my initial position that you are so very wrong in this regard). I have not called you a sad, pretentious kiss-up with a very awkward writing style whose only purpose on this forum is to get noticed by potential clients. I will continue to refrain from doing so because there is no satisfaction to be had in humiliating an already humiliating adversary.

Have a nice day. ^___^

In reference to my sign off "High School Drop Outs". I did not communicate well here, just as much as I added a few zeros to the number of languages in the world. Let me try to dig myself out of the hole I put myself in.

"The high school drop out" was in reference to the illegal bootleg products and fake services, that are run by what one Chinese Police man told me were "barely teenagers and high school drop outs". They drove in different section of the city, set up tent to sell product and services, including writing lessons. I was amazed to see how many people lined up to buy a fake windows software or iphone look alike even a pre-printed Diplomas from several universities. When police raids are underway, they break shop so fast and take off in their turbo charged pickup trucks.

There are counterfeits everywhere, even in the Big Apple, but have not seen it at the level of sophistication as I have seen in Europe and Asia.

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Okay, rwaimba, the educational system could use some pedagogical reform. But that doesn't excuse fraud.

"Lesser evil" is enough. There is no serious breach of social requirements when someone hands in a Hamlet paper they bought. No one will be listing that Hamlet paper in a database and doing citation off of it. That IS the case with fraudulent dissertations.


Yes, that is exactly my position. You doing their statistical analysis is also fine. What isn't is doing the entire paper. I've made this clear several times, the fact that you keep trying to worm out of it shows how weak your position is.

The coyness about handing someone a "model" paper works when it comes to undergraduate or graduate work. I guarantee you it would NOT if it came to Ph. D and post-graduate fraud.


I responded to a silly argument by noting what it meant. No personal attack meant or implied.

Besides, your initial comment was off the mark anyways. If one took into account the actual risk of detection and of the actual cost for assisting Ph. D fraud, it wouldn't be worth it to do an entire paper.


Then the client DID do some work and we're entering murkier territory. No "loss", I'm trying to stick to a very specific scenario that is clearly fraudulent, and I think I've made my point amply clear.

A cursory analysis of the discussions here show that most people who have engaged in this threat are normal decent people, who I am sure would reach an amicable agreement on the appropriate zoning for the Legal, Philosophical and Ethical bounds under which dissertation "help" can be beneficial to both scholars and practitioners in a meaningful way.

The issues are as complex as the fabric that make up society, therefore each issue should peharps be treated on a case by vase basis. The world is so complex, no one person can know it all, but help should be on the basis of quest for knowledge.

I also understand that when a task becomes a business profit is critical. We are not a perfect society, some make their profits somewhat fairly, some not so fairly. Even Universities are in it for the money, so I understand that, but all I want is to be a halfway decent scientist.

I agree. I think that assisting on most elements is fine, I just wouldn't do the whole thing start to finish.

LOL!!! Enjoy writing 10th grade essays on Hamlet and personal reflections on "My unforgettable experience" then. The morality of writing "model" papers is the same regardless of the level of education that one is writing it for. The money's just waaaaay better when it comes to PhD dissertations.


Haha.. so if I only provided "model" results and discussion chapters, you'd have nothing against it? :p


If you want to be a half-decent scientist and you think that having other people write "model" research articles for you makes you otherwise then don't use a writing service. Nobody's forcing you to do so. Are you simply angry that some of your colleagues who you know are worse at writing research articles than you are able to turn in exceptional work? That such people are likely to complete their dissertations with distinction and go on to take significant positions in their respective fields?

You know, I've had a client once who started writing his own work before coming to me. He'd already read numerous articles and wrote the literature review by the time he sent me an email. I looked over the literature review and found a shamble of articles summarized and mashed together. Needless to say, I had to redo the entire lit review. After I was done with it, I showed the finished product to the client and his reaction was "this was exactly what I wanted to write!" My point is, some people just aren't gifted writers. As long as they read and understand what they buy from me, they have nothing to worry about. If they don't well, that's their own risk.

No, it's not, as I've explained and you've deigned not to respond to. I am willing to do anything from high school to Ph. D work. I'm just not going to do an entire dissertation that is supposed to advance the bounds of human knowledge for someone so they can get a Ph. D they don't deserve. VERY different.


Nope. I'd obviously prefer a Ph. D student did all their work, but I don't think that that is sufficiently illegal or unethical to be concerned about.


Nobody forces someone to hire a hitman either, doesn't make it an ethical field. Your arguments are vacuous.

None of the above! Been there done that. My problem really, is to translate "Principia Mathematica" into modern Steven Hawkins theory on Fractional Statistics and quantum mechanics theory into plain English. Therefore while my English, as you have already some one has already pointed out (my poor syntax, is lacking (and I agree).

However, it has been tougher for me to find someone with a reasonable background in quantum and statistical mechanics. My research is based more on mathematical and statistical theory than based on the traditional quantitative, qualitative mixed methods.

So stay tuned, I might have some exploratory discussions with you and others. I want everyone to be able to read my dissertation, especially what I currently hypothesize as implications that every human being has the right to know. Then again, I might just go full circle and prove nothing, that is okay too.

Oh cool then.. so how about if I write a sentence of the student's introduction? That still good too? Two sentences then? A paragraph of his conclusion? How about everything but the abstract? How about everything but the first sentence of the abstract?

LOL!!! Is this really the image that you want to project to potential clients viewing this thread? ^___________^


Wow... so doing "model" coursework papers for them is not helping them get that Ph.D "they don't deserve." Bravo. ^____^


See here's where we're different (among many other places). I don't need to call your arguments "vacuous" because they plainly are, and my arguments won't magically become "vacuous" no matter how many times you type that trying-hard sentence.


Been where, done what? o.O


That's not your dissertation, is it? o.O

Making actual arguments instead of logical fallacies? Yes, actually.

You're trying the argument that they tried in the Ronnie King trial. It's not police brutality at two cops, right? What about three? Four? Five?

Some degree of assistance on a Ph. D project I would find ethical. At some point, the person involved has no longer done the work that warrants the doctorate in the first place. There is not an exact point this occurs, but it does, and I am far from the only person in the industry who thinks so.


It's a matter of scale.

It's one thing to help someone finish one assignment for one class.

It's another thing to help someone buy their Ph. D.

If someone used a little money to grease the wheels and turn a B paper into an A with their professor, people would be appalled.

If someone tried to buy a diploma, they'd face fraud charges.

The law and morality is sensitive to matters of scale and degree, even if you're not...


The above statement, aside from missing a comma, contained not one single logical position, no nugget of evidence, no distinction or philosophical principle, and thus was... drum roll... vacuous. How richly ironic.

"Your arguments are plainly vacuous" is a fallacy.

"Nobody hires a hitman" is an analogy, one that you dishonestly cut from your quotation to focus only on the conclusion.

Should I school you on slippery slopes and false analogies? Nah.. it's simply not worth my time.


Wow.. is that like some sort of spider-sense? Do you feel a tingle and then tell a client "Heyyy.. that's one assignment too many that you've hired me for. Do your own work this time!!!" LOL!!! You're hilarious. Do you think any company would refuse a paying client because the client has ordered too many projects? Hahaha!!! ^_________^


Care to name any others? :p


Like I said:


ROFLMAO!!! Have a nice day. I think that the potential clients viewing this thread are now very much informed about the services that you can offer them. Remember folks, Amons here will not write you "model" dissertations, just "model" essays on "How to be a pretentious, desperate kiss-up." Plus, he will refuse your order if his spider-sense tells him that you have ordered too many papers for your own good already (not that you'd want to order one from him to begin with but hey... maybe that's precisely what he wants you to think)

You're the one making a slippery slope argument. "If this is okay, then this is, right?" I'm the one noting that the peak isn't the valley.

Any smart company or writer knows if someone is trying to buy, piecemeal, every part of their dissertation.


EW_Writer uses "ROFLMAO" on an actual Internet board. What is this, the 90s?

I backed off from personal attacks, and certainly never told your customers to avoid you.

Customers: EW_Writer engages in transparent logical fallacies, sources dishonestly and apparently doesn't care remotely about ethical behavior.

Haha! Do you even know what a slippery slope argument is and what isn't? Oh wait, to you as long as it's a chain of implications, it's a slippery slope, right? Geez... did you even go to a university, or was the internet all of the education you though you needed? :p


Yeah.. I think clients get a discount if they but the whole thing. Haha!!!


ROFLMAO!!!! ^_______________^


ROFLMAO!!!

Remember folks, Amons here will not write you "model" dissertations, just "model" essays on "How to be a pretentious, desperate kiss-up." Plus, he will refuse your order if his spider-sense tells him that you have ordered too many papers for your own good already (not that you'd want to order one from him to begin with but hey... maybe that's precisely what he wants you to think)

^_^

No, as long as it's a chain of implications wherein the point is that the first leads logically and inexorably to the last, it could be. If you had done YOUR homework, you would know slippery slopes can be both causal OR verbal/semantic. fallacyfiles.org/slipslop.html.

You are making a SEMANTIC slippery slope argument. "X is sort of like Y, right? Where's the bright line?" There isn't one, but X isn't like Y. Sorry.

That's, "Oh, wait..." Did you graduate from middle school, or is trolling on t3h Interwebs your education and business model?


You let them butt the whole thing? This sounds like prostitution... ;)


Remember, folks, "Amon's" will provide you quality service while EssayWriter_Writer will engage in character assassination and mindless fallacy when his blatantly fraudulent and unethical business practices get exposed. No wonder he got taken in by the fine people at EW (at one point, of course) ;) .

To be clear: I mean EW no harm or offense, seems like a fine fella. But apparently he's decided to take a disagreement to the level of personal attack.

To be clear, since I am not able to edit: I am not accusing EW of fraud, hence the ;). I have an ethical issue with his stated business practice, and would be concerned about his legal risk, but I am not accusing him of illegal conduct.

LOL!!! Should I correct you with a free lesson on what is and what isn't a slippery slope? Nah... not for free anyway. Maybe you can order a 1-page essay about slippery slopes from the service offered by one of the site owners here who don't have themselves as their only writer so you can learn more about your folly. ^_^


Riiiight.


You provoked me, probably thinking that if you tried taking me on some client would take notice of the sorry service that you're peddling and contact you for a paper. LOL!!! That only works if you actually win. :p

Oh, and one more thing:



LMAO!

Oh, gee, if only I had a citation that did that for me.

Oh wait.


Given that I've had contacts from this site, I've won. Yay!

I may have provoked you, though I was only exploring the implications of the ARGUMENT and not actually arguing that people not use your essay. I then backed off. You decided to keep it up even when I no longer mentioned your business in particular, or anything about you. You have now called my service "sorry" and maligned me in public. You have escalated far beyond whatever I may have done. I apologize if you felt that my response to your argument was a personal attack, but you have now crossed the line. Back off.

Riiiight.. dream on. ^_^


Oh, you're hurt? By what? This statement?

Remember folks, Amons here will not write you "model" dissertations, just "model" essays on "How to be a pretentious, desperate kiss-up." Plus, he will refuse your order if his spider-sense tells him that you have ordered too many papers for your own good already (not that you'd want to order one from him to begin with but hey... maybe that's precisely what he wants you to think)

What's wrong with the statement? What part or parts of it do you deny? ^_____^

Nice inaccurate implication. I'm not hurt. It's just not appropriate etiquette. Either YOU were hurt and are lashing out, in which case my emotional response was fine, or you were responding out of professional pride, in which case I am responding in the same way. Trying to belittle me when YOU were the one who escalated to unprofessional heights is a GREAT argument.


Half your "arguments" are "Riiiiight... dream on", with no evidence, when you have just been proven utterly, totally wrong. Bodes well for your clients.

I will not write model dissertations. I will write model essays on any topic, including, if the customer requested it, how to be anything they wish to be. I will indulge any client unlimited amounts of papers, unless I feel that this is a ploy to get a Ph. D paper published. That is it, that is all. My concern is EXCLUSIVELY suborning Ph. D fraud, and possibly other types of fraud (e.g. basically purchasing an entire degree).

But even if your assessment was spot on and not abusively inaccurate, it would STILL be mocking and insulting in tone and entirely unprofessional, exposing you as a J-A.

Meanwhile, what is wrong about the following statement:

EW_Writer has no ethical or legal problem with suborning fraud. He doesn't care if his client is prosecuted and is unconcerned with legal risks. He also has no concern for the ongoing viability of human knowledge. He is irresponsible.

You brought my business and writing into it, several times, NOT just the above statement. Back off. Last chance.

I write "model" essays, dissertations, etc. etc.. What clients do with them is beyond my control.


Why care about something that will NEVER happen (at least in the way that I do business)?


On a global scale? No, I don't.


In relation to the previous statement? Yeah, sure.


Last chance for what? Based on what you posted, you have nothing against the statement below:

Remember folks, Amons here will not write you "model" dissertations, just "model" essays on "How to be a pretentious, desperate kiss-up." Plus, he will refuse your order if his spider-sense tells him that you have ordered too many papers for your own good already (not that you'd want to order one from him to begin with but hey... maybe that's precisely what he wants you to think)

Except maybe to change "a pretentious, desperate kiss-up" to "anything they wish to be." Hey, fine. Here you go, chum:

Remember folks, Amons here will not write you "model" dissertations, just "model" essays on "How to be anything you want to be." Plus, he will refuse your order if his spider-sense tells him that you have ordered too many papers for your own good already (not that you'd want to order one from him to begin with but hey... maybe that's precisely what he wants you to think)