How on earth is one expected to find a competent writer on here???

I've got a lot of work coming up with Institute qualifying papers and Masters studies so I am in the market for a decent writer who I can work with over a long term basis. However, this place seems like a mine field! You all seem to be constantly backstabbing each other!! Is there any hope for genuine customers looking to source competent writers??

A simple rule is - if someone using a @yahoo, @gmail, @msn.com, @outlook, @hotmail, etc. contacts you to offer their services, they are not genuine (ie. they usually lie about their credentials or location).

Another tip - search the forum and find a (positive) trend related to discussed website/s or writer/s.

Last resort for lazy students - visit EssayDirectory.com and pick a recommended site or writer from there. The chances you pick a reliable service are high.

Some of the very top writers in the business are on this site and are using email addresses of the type that Major mentioned. If Major's "rule" is a rule, then it falls under the category of "rules are made to be broken."

Yes, many people -- perhaps most? -- who use such addresses are frauds. But I could also make this true statement: Many essay websites -- perhaps most? -- are fraudulent.

Buyer beware.

I suggested that most of them (not all). Still, it costs $10 to register a domain and $1 per month to host a branded email (total cost: $22 per year). There must be a hidden reason why most essay writers choose to have several different email accounts and names when working as an academic freelancer.

Which also means that doing so is not much of an indicator of quality.

Like I say, I'm not disagreeing that there is a ton of fraud. I just don't think that this particular method of identifying likely fraudulent writers/companies is of much use. W2B has listed site after site after site that have been proven to be fraudulent. On the other hand, Professor Verb is known to be an honest writer and, if I'm not mistaken, he has dealt mostly or entirely from an aol account for years. To further muddy the waters, there are reputable writers like FreelanceWriter, who has a site but chooses to use an aol account.

Using this method to figure out who's legit is like using a speedometer to check the weather. Are you statistically more likely to get someone legit through a site than through a yahoo account? Yes? Maybe? I don't know? If you were to choose one of each, randomly, I bet you'd end up with two frauds.

Students are much better served by some of the other techniques that have often been suggested, like placing a small order for an assignment with a long deadline and seeing how it goes. If they want to stick with websites, that's fine, but I wouldn't encourage them to think that's a mark of quality. It just means that someone had $22 one given year.

Thank you, I appreciate that. I can easily un-muddy the waters in that respect by admitting that I'm just too cheap to invest in a more advanced website that supports contact. I'd probably spend that money just advertising more on here to direct people to it before developing a more advanced website. I use it strictly as an informational source for clients and simply provide my email contact on the page. It's explained in greater detail below.


In my opinion, it would be more accurate to say that there are exceptions to most rules, and even more accurate to say that it doesn't follow from "All A are B" that "All B are A."

Crooks in myriad businesses obviously use those types of emails, mainly because they can be changed easily and an unlimited number of times; but that doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't also some legitimate users of those types of emails. I don't have a dog in that fight, since I've used the same 1 AOL email address for writing since 1999 or 2000.

When I created my intuit page in 2010, I added a second AOL email for the sole purpose of easily being able to know how many customers found me through that page based on which email they used to contact me, and I've never conducted any kind of business using any of those other types of emails listed. My first response to any email on my newer account always asks to switch immediately to my main email, so there's nothing "hidden" about that. I also have a 3rd email on a different ISP that I had to get when I worked for the government. More recently, I've used that email only for business purposes on behalf of my co-op building Board of Directors as VP. Nothing hidden about any of that, either.


One could easily flip that to say the exact same thing about the "hidden reason" that some large essay companies would invest so much more money than that to create many different user-end websites, all with totally different company "DBA" names and not even the slightest hint to customers that the same company actually owns and operates all those very different-looking websites, typically relying on the exact same group of writers and customer-service and administrative personnel regardless of which company takes the order. So, to be fair, there are probably some crooked essay companies and freelance writers who maintain or create multiple sites and/or emails for "hidden" reasons and some totally legitimate essay companies and freelance writers who may both use multiple sites and/or emails for equally legitimate reasons.

It is only one, but important, signal out of several. Let's say there are 100 of active writers who visit this forum every day. 60 of them use @gmail account, 35 use @yahoo account, 5 use their own domains and custom email (for example me@99essays.com). A smart student knows that a @gmail or @yahoo account can be registered for free at any country and after every failed order, so the chances of working with a legitimate writer based in an English-speaking country are slim. Just by registering your own domain and using your own custom email you are ahead of 95% of other writers.


The "place a small order first" technique is prone to fraud too. If you watch EssayChat posts you'll notice there are some "clever" writers (usually from Africa) who get a student to pay for a "trial" order and then they pretend to be a student seeking a legitimate writer to complete 5-10 pages of a bigger assignment. After the first 5-10 pages are delivered, the student pays the full amount and the outcome is usually not pretty.

I haven't paid close attention to who posts what there, but I've definitely been approached by some of them pretending to be students. Sometimes they say they'd like to "see my work on a sample basis first" before paying for a longer piece of work; other times they ask for a price quote and when I ask a question about the assignment or the course that anybody actually assigned that project would obviously know, they say they "have to get back to [me]"...one time, the guy even responded that he needed to ask "the customer" after first presenting himself as a student.

You didn't have to - you confirmed my observations...

Hey JAH, I saw in your opening post in this thread that you are looking for something over a long term basis. PM me please unless you are a girl.

This is a ridiculous assertion, and the fact that you had the audacity to categorically term this falsehood a "rule" marks you out as a disturbed character. It's incredible how you Internet ghouls are quick to dish out false information and discredit honest people for the mere thrill of it.

I wouldn't go that far. For those of us who have been here for YEARS, we've seen exactly how and why "writers" tend to use free email accounts instead of putting their necks on the line by tying their email to an established site or corporation.

So your associate P.hee.lyks @ gmail was not genuine, right? Or even Meokhan, your puppet?

Look up the definition of "tend," simpleton.

Turns out it only buttresses my prior protestation - particularly as "tend" in the context you used the word is essentially antithetical to "rule" in the categorical sense implied by Major.

I can see that the censorship is coming along gradually to the administrative matters of the forum. Maybe I should say that such a move has already too late because so much water has passed under the bridge of bullying and unnecessary arrogance.

If the forum were run with properly laid down guidelines, there is no doubt it would flourish once again because more and more people would be able to contribute to its growth. Right now, the conditions are such that new members do not find much room in the forum, and the seniors are keeping at bay.

I do not think that calling names, bullying, and similar unethical ways of interaction benefit a discussion at length. This I am saying WITHOUT pointing to anyone in particular. So, do not take offense, anyone!

Certainly, anyone visiting the forum has their own agendas, perspectives, standpoints, or anything. The point is that, probably, it is the MEANINGFULNESS of the discussions that should follow so that it benefits everyone in general.

Most probably, a forum full of derogatory expressions, irrelevant (and certainly unnecessary) fights, show of arrogance, will not attract a serious visitor looking for some solid assistance.

No.

You know too well that's it's members of your 'group' who thrives through constantly ejaculating bile, especially when your 'lords' are called out of their hypocritical caves stewing with deceptions, fraud, hatred, racism, and subtle marketing of some essay websites.

When some of them had been banned, this forum had began to regain its civility and objectivity.


don't expect a lot of help here. Any 'help' you get here is almost always enjoined to commercial interests in favour of the opportunist purporting to offer that 'help' and, ultimately, to your financial and academic detriments. It is nothing more than a dirty market, with everyone here (with exceptions of members like myself and a few others), playing the 'saviour' card in the open and the devil's card once you initiate private communication. If you're not careful, you'll even be reported to your university and I am certain that won't be the best of your experiences.

In short, write your own essay and party later.

The backstabbing is all part of the game. The writers here seem to have a great need to tear each other down rather than prop each other up because of the client pool that is available. There are only a few clients to go around but several independent writers and company representatives to deal with. The students, who often get scared off by the in-fighting and never ending back stabbing eventually find a writer to work with or a company to hire anyway. They just use their own judgement and contact the writer or company rep directly to help them make up their minds about whom to hire, why, and at what cost. The backstabbing is all meant to scare off the other bidders, nothing that doesn't happen in a regular bidding war.

It appears to me that there is only 1 competent writer still actively seeking out clients at this forum and that is Freelancewriter. There does not seem to be any fight or war between writers these days since the others seem to have left the forum for some reason, leaving Freelancewriter as the victorious legitimate writer still using this forum for the purpose it was created, in terms of writer purposes. While the directory and chat are still listing some writers, not all of them are still active in the field and some, have evolved into other professions. Anybody interested in having a pool of writers to choose from can try contacting those other writers, along with Freeleancewriter. Get the best bid that you can based on your negotiation skills. It is possible to find a competent writer, provided the student is willing to put in the time to track one down.

Thank you. It's true that almost all of my legitimate colleagues and independent competitors have recently left the business, but I hardly consider it any kind of "victory." It was great having a community of legitimate writers contributing to threads and there used to be enough work to keep all of us quite busy. Out of my five strongest competitors, one died suddenly in his home in 2015, one became a lawyer, one retired, and one is currently preparing to start nursing school, because (like me), he wrote at least 1,000 nursing projects over the years and realized that, being 20 years yonger than I am, that's a much more viable long-term career than this will be once AI actually becomes good enough to compete with the quality of good human academic writers.