Ownership of the customized writing - I don't own the essay and can't do anything except reading it?

Does anyone know normally who is the owner of essay? If the writer is the owner, does it mean they can sell it not only once? Thanks

I ordered a coursework from ********. It was delivered with a copyright statement at the beginning, which says I cannot copy, modify, publish, reproduce the content, etc. Also 'You may not submit this document under your own name for academic assessment.' It looks like the writer holds the ownership of this essay. I only pay for reading it!

They're not cheap. If I don't own the essay and can't do anything except reading it, what's point of the service! If the writer sell the same report to another person, I'll be in trouble.

Does anyone have the same experience?
Thanks

It depends on the exact terms and conditions you signed up to. Each agreement is different, if your buying from a company in many cases the copy write is transferred from writer to company but not from company to customer. If this is the case then the writer can not legally sell the essay more than once, some companies upload these essays to an essay bank after a period of time and some do not. To know exactly where you stand you would need to read the terms and conditions of your contract.

Am I allowed to post their original statement here?

The terms and conditions? I don't see why not or a link would do.

why does the company retain the copyright when a freelance writer writes the paper. The copyright transfers to the company for a price less than a customer pays. :S

Welcome to the CIVILIZED world. Freelancers operate on a work-for-hire basis.

Tell me something I don't know. By the way, why does this work-for-hire law not apply to customers ordering the paper? For this reason, work-for-hire should be established for private customers, but this will be unethical, too, as the students will be free to submit the same papers.

The writing companies do not allow the customers to


and state:


My point is: most of the customers who order their essays are either too busy to writer their papers, or, do not possess enough writing skills. If the papers are written just for their help, and they need to write at their own, why should they order it from the writing company for such a high price? There are plenty of free research works they can take help from. Aren't the prices so high? Secondly, what is the point of not reselling the paper for few months when the company is entitled to copyright? Why does it give a cause for offense if the company publishes the paper at the same time as sending it to the customer. Maybe this is because the company knows that the students will turn their papers in under their own names. If they are not given the rights to submit the papers as these are, why should the students pay more to check the papers for plagiarism?

I am neither against the laws, nor am I in favor of plagiarism. I am just pointing out the confusing parts that make this industry look unethical.

It's not confusing at all if you understand basic copyright law.

Give me a break! You sound like a coward. Better read this: writerswrite.com/journal/sept97/cew2.htm

Basic Copyright Concepts For Writers.

The students can get the rights through ghostwriting. Isn't that unethical?
What about price issue? Why should students pay a huge sum of money when they can't modify, copy the content etc.? They can't even follow the structure of the paper, which means they have to do their own research, so what is the point of ordering the paper? Just for HELP? Isn't that they also should sign the work-for-hire agreement before confirming the order?

It is ILLEGAL for a company to transfer copyright to a customer. A site/company that does so is committing a CRIME. Plus, it is incredibly unethical. I know that laws and ethics are "foreign" concepts to you, but please get a clue before trying to school me, OK?

Wow! What an ignorant fool you are. Did I say that the company should transfer the rights to the students? I was pointing out the complicated issues regarding this matter. Please read my posts again. I can't explain to you over and over again as you can't even make sense of it. I wondered:

You are a delusional crackpot.

Yes. Yes you did.

LMAO! Pheelyks already highlighted your dumbassery.

No. I did not. By private customers I mean the ones who hire private, independent freelance writers. Freelance writers agree to operate on work-for-hire basis for companies. Why can't they do the same in case of private customers? If this is unethical, what is wrong with publishing the work at the same time as delivering the work done to the customers? Why is it wrong to show it to other clients? I think WB and pheelyks can't do anything but ignore the main points of an argument. People who can actually contribute to the discussion are welcome.

EARTH TO RETARD:


People who understand basic copyright law and ethics are truly welcome.

Earth to ignorance:


Yes. This implies that you are truly unwelcome. Buh-bye!

Your ENTIRE argument is based on this stupid question:
"Why can't they do the same [i.e., transfer copyright as part of a work-for-hire contract] in case of private customers?"

Your ENTIRE argument fails because of this answer:
"It is illegal for a company to transfer copyright to a customer."

Now, fu*- off and die.

Because the situation is entirely different. There is no way the companies I have work-for-hire contracts with can submit the work for their own academic credit. Companies don't go to school.


One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.


I think you have yet to make a rational argument.

To prove someone wrong is not always right. It will be better for you to change this habit of becoming a sworn enemy of people who cannot accept your bossy attitude.


No. These are separate questions.


A freelance writer is not a company by the way, you ignorant ass. I know that a company can't transfer the copyright, so why the hell can it not publish the work just after sending it to the customer? What is this policy for? There are other concerns which you keep ignoring. Lol!


You better fu*- off as you are damn good at it.


You are trying to blur the argument. Please shut up if you can't give logical answers to the questions.

? You know definition of crime?

Hahahahahahahahaha. This is what you got from my points! Why don't you go to school?

That's all you can muster as a response? If I got your points wrong, why not trying stating them more clearly?

I already stated my points clearly. It is just that you want to ignore them. LMAO!

You're right, but a never made a claim to the contrary. Regardless, a freelance writer is an independent contractor who is bound by the same laws that bind a company (regarding copyright transfer of academic materials).


Companies do so strictly as a COURTESY to customers so that each customer knows he/she is the only person with access to the companies research for a certain period of time.

Hey, WritersBeware. Would you mind to have a look at it?

"2. This website has been created to provide customers with original documents including those academic in nature. These documents are drafted by independent contractors, and all the rights of ownership are transferred to the customer. Pay For Essay does not retain any copyrights, nor do the independent contractors who draft them. All products and services sold by Pay For Essay become the intellectual property of the customer.

3. Other services include revising and proofreading of documents provided by customers. This entails review of and possibly rewriting of documents. Changes will be made in accordance with the requests and desires of the customer. All rights are retained by the customer."

Source: Pay For Essay

Sue the company, WB. According to you, they have committed a CRIME!

PS: Please don't think I am promoting the site.I am in no way associated with the company.


You are wrong. This might help you.

"Works Sold to Another: If the creator sells the entire copyright to another person or business, that buyer becomes the copyright owner."

Do you want to be schooled more, WB? Read it.

"(b) copyright.gov/title17/92chap2.html - Works Made for Hire. - In the case of a work made for hire, the employer or other person for whom the work was prepared is considered the author for purposes of this title, and, unless the parties have expressly agreed otherwise in a written instrument signed by them, owns all of the rights comprised in the copyright."


Now, did I state my points clearly?


I know that you are not fully aware of your own (US) laws and ethics, let alone the foreign ones.

Yes, you did. They are also stupid and contradictory, which I pointed out in my post. You replied that I didn't understand you, when really you just don't have an explanation for being stupid and contradictory (other than the fact that you're a moronic hypocrite).

In that case, a company can write in their terms that as a courtesy to customers it will not resell the paper for 10 or 100 years. The final effect would be no different than transferring the copyright. The question is why some companies only allow 6 months, not 10 or 100 years..?

We know the answer--it's not exactly a secret.

It also allows some companies to resell their "custom essays" after 6 months (if the "courtesy" lasted for 50 years it would be impossible or too inconvenient to do). But that's another story.. ;)

Wow! What a nice reply. Hey, did you ever go to school? I seriously doubt that would happen.

My points are not stupid or contradictory. FYI, I did not make laws or rules that any writing company operates on. I was raising the questions as to what the rules are and how they are contradictory. You do not have anything to say in response to my posts that is why you are just pretending to have fully understood everything, and that I look stupid to you. In fact, there is no such case. I know my position very well and people reading through this thread will know that, too. You have proved that you are not eligible for this level of debate. Period.


The question is: why do they need to be that courteous to their customers? They know that the students will be submitting the essays under their own names, so why don't they just publish the work instantly to not allow the students to turn the papers in?

Your claim that writers working directly with clients should be the same as writers working with companies is stupid. Your claim that writers should sell to customers as work-for-hire while companies cannot and should not is contradictory...and stupid.


Yes, I'm sure you're adept at grabbing your ankles.

LMAO! I never claim any such thing. How many times should I repeat the things? Please read my posts again.

.. writers are independent contractors so from the legal point of view they aren't much different from companies that cooperate with them.. at least this is how I understand it.

Actually, the companies you work for are operating in contradiction to the laws.


If you think this is what I claim, tell me what is wrong with it? Isn't it not possible? If you think they ain't, refer to the links I posted above to understand the concept of work-for-hire.


This is even easier. Do you know ghostwriting? Companies can definitely sell to customers as work-for-hire. I posted an example of Pay For Essay.

These concerns are indeed contradictory, but I did not make anything. I am just raising the points. I know pheelyks you can't answer the questions. Go away.

Maybe: this is all because the writing companies are somehow engaged in unethical practice of selling academic papers to students. They do not want to look unethical, which is why they state in their terms and conditions that they do not allow customers to violate copyrights by submitting their papers. Knowing that customers will definitely do so, they state that they will not resell the paper for few months. This way the business looks honest to both the students and the academic institutions. In fact, there should be no concept of half honesty, but the writing companies attempt to establish it.


I mean companies can definitely transfer the ownership of the papers to the customers.

This is actually a stretch of reality. A liquor store owner cannot and should not "definitely assume" a customer who buys a beer from him will drink and drive.. violating established Terms and laws at the same time.

Asking question is claiming something? You are too much pheelyks. You are actually trying to hide your ignorance by looking retarded. Lol!


Even if I claim this, what is wrong with that? I have provided the sources that may help you understand the concept of work-for-hire law. You better follow them and read the content before participating in the debate.

I've explained why the situations are different, which makes your claim stupid. The real problem, though, is that you claim (in this very thread) that you DIDN'T say this, which makes it contradictory.

Decide what arguments you want to make. When you've figured it out, do us all a favor and make them somewhere else.

No. You did not explain anything, but that you are dumb and entirely unqualified to answer with logical arguments. Nothing was contradictory. It is just that you are trying to make it contradictory due to your ignorance and can't just accept what the people you don't like say. I don't think your calling me stupid makes me look so. Maybe it "make you" want to cry! LMAO!


Why can't you do all us a favor by ignoring what is beyond your understanding? ;)


Do you think my points are contradictory? Am I wrong to consider that the ownership of the papers should be transferred from a writing company to customers, and the freelance writers to private customers? If it can't happen, the prices should not be that high. By the way, why can't it not happen when the laws permits it?

Personally, I never resell my papers or show them to other clients. Some customers ask for samples, but I prefer losing them than showing other clients' works to them. When I transfer the rights to my customers, I do not violate them. Customers have all rights to do whatever they want to do with what they get from me. This is not unethical on my part at least, as I have transferred the copyrights to customers, and have nothing to do with what they do with the work. If they turn in my work under their names, they are not engaged in an unethical practice because they have the rights...BUT from the perspective of the academic institutions, it is unethical at the students' part because they were not allowed to submit others' work.


No one buys a bear just for throwing it to the dustbin, not even for just checking how the beer looks like so that he/she may buy one in future. It is quite clear that the one buying the beer will drink (not necessarily drive after that), or gift it to someone else to drink. It depends on the use of the product one is buying. What else can a person do with a "custom written" paper? If the person does not want to submit the work under his/her name, there are a number of research works for a far little price, and even for free on Internet. What is the point of getting the work which meets all the stipulated requirements, and then checking the paper for plagiarism? In some cases, students provide their own sources, and why are they doing so? When students know what to write in the paper using particular sources, why can't they just write themselves? The debates goes long...

Yes, I did. Companies don't go to school. There is no problem transferring the copyright for work to a company because there is no way they can break the law with it. The same is not true with direct writer-client transactions. This was all explained before. Apparently you can't keep my arguments straight any more than you can keep yours consistent.


I have quoted you saying to things in direct opposition to each other. Explain how that's not contradictory.


I'm amazed anyone ever buys them in the first place.

I would like to save time on composing it in the English which is not my first language but when i explain the ideas inside now it becomes other's copywrite