Payment for writing Services upfront

Hi all,

hope I'm not breaking any forum rules for opening another thread among many on this forum, but I wish to ask for help.

This page recommends certain writing service and I have asked from 3 of them to provide me a quote.

I'm thinking of using Custompapers.com but cannot get any guarantee regarding the payment. I was told I need to pay up front for the whole 50 page work and there is no money back in case if I get a writer that is not capable of helping me write about my thesis.

Only after me being pushy I was told that we might agreed for a 10 page per case and moving onward.

All of that make me suspicious and would really appreciate any suggestion, either regarding this company or if you can suggest any other?

Much obliged

Minimoris

It'd be interesting to know what you mean by 'being pushy' - does it mean they didn't want you to pay in installments? What did you have to do to 'persuade' them? There are some African and Eastern European 'PhDs and Doctors' on EssayChat that may be willing to help (some of them don't ask for any money upfront, but there's no guarantee on anything other than your identity being stolen ;)

Hi Major,

thanks for this... by being pushy I meant, I like to ask many things regarding the terms and condition.

Everyone promises highest of everything in live support chat, but once you ask for any kind of confirmation then all of a sudden replies become more vague.

All I want is some sort of proof, that I will get what I pay for, as the support said once I pay there is no money back in case if I'm not happy with the writer, but can only have another writer assigned. That just puts me off as we all know it is not easy to give to a company a monthly paycheck and they cannot confirm anything.

I submitted an order (which is basically 2 and was told my writer would be Kimberly and that she is highly skilled. When I asked for some sort of proof again they cannot provide until I pay, but I cannot get money back once a writer is assigned ?

So Major as you are a valid user of this page (according to your start and posts) do you have any suggestions for any writers or companies, please :)?

Much obliged

Something still doesn't add up. I'm sure they would not tell you 'if you're not happy with the writer, too bad.' I think your attitude may not promote the best buying strategy; if you ask a business providing a custom research service: "What if you send me 10 or even 50 pages and I don't like them - you will refund me the money, right?" - it may raise a red flag as it may strongly suggest you want to get the service for free. Just like teaching, custom research / writing is an intangible service; guess what your university board would tell you when you ask them about money back AFTER you have completed your class. That's why, as suggested, ordering 5 or 10 pages may be your (and their) best option; if you don't like it, it isn't going to create as much damage as ordering 50 pages.

I'd suggest to wait and see what others (freelance writers) have to say on that; but from my experience, you're not going to find a legitimate writer who would knowingly risk writing 10 pages for free; IF you have provided complete order instructions and made it clear what it is going to take to complete this project, and they are still willing to work on it, it may suggest they are capable of doing it.

Hmmm well this is about 2/3rd of the chat as I spoke a few times with support.

Please go through it and tell me do you think if they are legit.... and at the end they are somewhat happy for 10 pages...

Thanks a lot Major

Minimoris:
Basic info

Call accepted by operator Sheri, CustomPapers. Currently in room: Sheri, CustomPapers, Minimoris.

Sheri, CustomPapers:
Hello!
Minimoris:
Hi Sheri
Sheri, CustomPapers:
Hi Minimoris!
Minimoris:
can you give me a moment please just to put the coffee off
Minimoris:
ok I'm back
Sheri, CustomPapers:
Yum, coffee sounds amazing right now!
Minimoris:
so I have received your offer and would like to discuss it a bit
Sheri, CustomPapers:
Sure
Minimoris:
if I could I would offer you one
Sheri, CustomPapers:

Minimoris:
QUOTE: 109889 -
Minimoris:
this is my quote
Sheri, CustomPapers:
Yes, I see it. How can I help?
Minimoris:
So can I see which of the writers accepted it so I can check their profile
Sheri, CustomPapers:
I am not sure if the writer's profile is on the website, but you would be working with Kimberlee
Minimoris:
Ok
Minimoris:
any chance to find out a bit about her background please
Minimoris:
so i can see if she is familiar with my theme of the thesis project
Sheri, CustomPapers:
She has been writing for more than a decade and has successfully completed dozens of theses and dissertations including several dealing with IT, computing, and security-related topics. She has an Masters as well.

Sheri, CustomPapers:
*a, not an
Minimoris:
Masters in what field if I can find out
Sheri, CustomPapers:
She has a Masters in Business and other degrees that I am not sure of, but I do know that she does have a lot of experience with your field of study

Minimoris:
ok so what if I pay and we exchange emails and I believe she is not capable of doing it, do I have any guarantee or just something for me to be safe

Minimoris:
also I was told I would be getting a discount for the order
Sheri, CustomPapers:
I don't feel that would happen, but as long as she hasn't started writing, we could reassign if needed.
Minimoris:
Ok fair enough
Sheri, CustomPapers:
On the price, the writers price based on the scope of the work involved. I'm sorry, I can't lower their price.
Minimoris:
ok but is she also ok that apart from those 15.000 words from here we would need to involve my technical findings... that's what I'm afraid ... when we say 15.000 I hope the words from the 60 sources are not included

Sheri, CustomPapers:
no, the references are not included in the word count. You will receive 15000 words of text.
Minimoris:
what I want to say is can I exchange a message with her to agree topic before paying it is a lot of money that's why

Minimoris:
ok
Sheri, CustomPapers:
Yes, I understand.
Minimoris:
so can I exchange a message with Kimberly before we start
Sheri, CustomPapers:
Yes, you can email her as soon as the order is assigned
Minimoris:
but once the writers is assigned I cannot cancel the order if I'm not happy right
Minimoris:
ok let me read the terms again
Minimoris:
thanks
Sheri, CustomPapers:
Once an order is started (the writing has started), it can't be cancelled but it can be reassigned if needed
Minimoris:
so what does you money guaranty stands for ?
Sheri, CustomPapers:
We guarantee the work will be correct per your instructions and requirements and that it will be 100% original.
Minimoris:
ok well let me go through the terms again and see thanks
Sheri, CustomPapers:
You're welcome! Feel free to get us in Chat again.
Sheri, CustomPapers:
Is there anything else I can help with?
Minimoris:
yes few more please
Minimoris:
how longs has kimberlee been with you
Sheri, CustomPapers:
about 5 years, I believe
Minimoris:
ok thanks
Minimoris:
will make an order that is all for now
Sheri, CustomPapers:
You're very welcome!

Minimoris:
Guaranty needed

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Sheri, CustomPapers:
Hi Minimoris!
Minimoris:
Hi Sheri,
Minimoris:
so I have reviewed some of the pages and checked what I usually do at work .
Minimoris:
So can I get any guaranty for a money return in case if work is not up to the standards. Meaning in spelling mistakes, referencing, correct usage of wording, critics etc....

Sheri, CustomPapers:
If you find an error, we will happily correct it. While it is rare that there will be mistakes, the writers are human. It is good to have a deadline several days ahead of when you really need the order so that you will have time to review and request changes, if needed. All work is 100% original!

Minimoris:
ok so what I would ask is
Minimoris:
can I pay only for first 5 or 10 pages
Minimoris:
and if I'm happy then I will pay for more as we go
Minimoris:
fair enough
Sheri, CustomPapers:
Yes, I think that will be okay. Let me look at your deadline.
Sheri, CustomPapers:
I see the deadline is August 6 so that will be cutting it close for the full 50 pages. However, if we can get this assigned today or tomorrow, we can set the first 10 pages for 2-3 days.

Minimoris:
ok fair enough ... thanks for that
Minimoris:
will turn now to EssayScam to see
Minimoris:
what other think of you guys
Minimoris:
thanks
Sheri, CustomPapers:
Okay, and you're very welcome!

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Major to make it clear... I'm was happy to pay within my budget which that offer was $1875 which is £1500, but all I wanted was any kind of guarantee for this...

What do you think would it be better to have a different approach? I have no experience with services like that, hence why I'm being careful:/

Appreciate you input on this as I would if anyone else had any experience with them.

Well, I don't see you having to be 'pushy' at all ;):

You: can I pay only for first 5 or 10 pages and if I'm happy then I will pay for more as we go fair enough

Sheri, CustomPapers: Yes, I think that will be okay.

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Anyway, I don't know your topic or specific order requirements; since they are OK with doing first 5 or 10 pages, I'd suggest that you order 5 pages and go from there; if it is not what you expected, they can still transfer the order to another writer (it may not be possible if half of the order was completed though). Regarding 'if they are legit' - for sure, they are a legitimate business located in the US. Still, it'd be interesting to read what freelance writers have to say on that (especially those who normally accept installment payments).

Thanks again for the input...

Like I said I have no issue paying the full amount, but what is the guarantee that I will really get an experienced writer that is adequate for my topic.. that is what I wanted to get from them.

Anyway I think I'll just do what I always do... write it on my own and ask for proofreading... too much time lost trying to find an appropriate company to help out with this.

Regarding freelancers everything I checked they are out of my budget, so s**t happens :/

Thanks anyway

Regardless of what company was involved, the OP did the smart thing by asking to order only a small section first, before ordering a 50-pg project.

On a closer read, this is the only thing that sounds strange to me. In my experience (and practice) a standard list of references is always included with every project and not considered part of the word count. Only annotated bibliographies are charged, for obvious reasons.

I think that's what the answer actually suggested ('the references are not included in the word count'). References are included with the project, but they don't count towards the requested word or page count. You probably missed 'in the word count' part.

You're right; I misread that.

CustomPapers is one of the academic writing companies that I am happy to recommend to my clients when they ask me about the service. Their writers always deliver value for money and the company has a word of honor when it comes to handling their business dealings with anyone, not just clients. I would definitely suggest that the OP consider hiring their services.

I believe that the person the client was talking to believed he was getting testy because he was asking questions that sounded more like he was getting ready to run a scam of "pay for the paper now, charge it back later. I get a free paper." which is why he felt like the operator was not being helpful or considerate. It all always boils down to a miscommunication caused by a native English speaker talking to a non-native English speaker. All hell tends to ensue in such instances.

I was also getting the same vibe from the discussion flow. I guess the company was simply trying to protect itself from being scammed by the student since it was a large order. There have been several cases where the writing company was out thousands of dollars when the student failed to pay in full for the paper or, if they decided to refund the paper later on. So I can understand why the company would want to have the complete paper paid upfront and not discuss any refund policies. CP is known for perfection when it comes to their writer's work. They do not have present refund reasons because the students they deal with always find extreme satisfaction in the papers presented to them. They know the ability of their writers so they were weary of dealing with this client. Perhaps if the client had taken a more friendly approach to the discussion, he would have not come across as "pushy" to the client care rep.

The problem that some students have with paying for small sections of writing to "test" the writer and his knowledge in the field is that the writer tends to up the price for the continuation of the project. Seeing as the student actually tested their writing abilities and intelligence, the writer charges more for the completion of the project because he has to rework the first part of the paper to avoid any plagiarism reports. He basically charges for the extra work to the done and yes, he then demands upfront payment for the full project. Nothing wrong with that provided the student is not going to be a pain when it comes to meeting deadlines. The closer the deadline, the higher the cost of the full paper and payment will be up-front, always remember that.

When I do hire a human writer for my papers, I ask him to send me a sample of his written work in the subject that I need him to write for me. This is usually enough evidence for me to decide whether to hire him or not. I have not had any problems using this method to assess the writers that I used to hire. I am not sure that this method still applies today though. I mean, the writer could just as easily use AI to write my paper while demanding that I pay in full upfront. How can we tell that the writer did not use AI to complete the paper we are paying for these days? Does any body know?

Lately, this topic is controversial, the AI use, and a writer demanding upfront payment. On the other hand, many writers have been scammed by students who refuse to pay after work receipt. As a student, I would recommend you stick to your writer. If you bump into a real one, keep them because they are not easy to find, especially in this AI ethical issue. I experienced this problem sometime last year when a masters student, business admin, refused to clear the payment after we successfully achieved A grade in all the courses. I used the trick of letting them pay in bits, say weekly to compesante weekly tasks. As a result, I did not lose much, but still he broke my heart. Even though I let it slide, I warned him never to do such a thing to anyone, as it can be detrimental to his classes.