Relationship between an Essay website's appearance and the quality of work it delivers

Whoever has ever hired a freelance writer posing as a legitimate writer has already seen three sides of a coin ; ) Scammers using anonymous emails are very creative to the point I'm not surprised so many students have been scammed. They would, for example, register a legitimate-looking/sounding domain to host their email - eg. stlouislawoffice.net) -- there's no limit to their will to defraud.

That's true Major. And I repeat, we need to stand against scammers. But this is not about scammers, it is about a few good examples in this puddle of mud. To be honest, the number of legitimate companies and writers together does not exceed 10% (this is my own estimate), if not less, when compared to scammers. You wouldn't believe how many clients of mine were scammed before coming to me, it's strange when they don't complain about scammers. I want to turn that around, because we will all be better off if scammers are eradicated. The moves of EC mods are a good step. ES's new policy is another good step. At least students can now see if their writer is a moron who can't write a proper sentence.

Listen, FW, I'm sorry that you are upset because you can't legitimately refute my sound, valid reasoning. I know that you can't. You know that you can't. So, you're just lashing out. If you'd like to begin making a somewhat feasible argument as to why my stance is not the best, surest way to increase safety for the vast majority of online shoppers, please start here:

1. List the procedures and third-party tools that potential customers should use to independently verify the age, geographical location, corporate status, tax status, etc. of both the email address and the person/entity behind it. (Sorry, but EssayScam and EssayChat do not count, for several painfully obvious reasons. I feel silly for having to mention that, but, considering the last post from wordsies, I obviously do.)

2. List the reasons why an anonymous email address is less risky than a Web site and/or registered corporation.

3. Please explain how my use of qualifiers would in any way help prospective customers or lessen their risk.

No tangents. No conjecture. No diatribes. Only simple, direct answers so that everything stays on course. We'll go from there.

You're purposely obfuscating a very simple objection. I haven't commented on your reasoning and I'm certainly not "lashing out." I only replied again to this topic in response to your twisting my words by saying that I expect you to issue a specific notice that your warnings about anonymous writers don't apply to me, personally, each and every time the topic comes up, because I never said any such thing. I don't even disagree that your warnings apply to the vast majority of totally anonymous writers using only their emails.

My only objection is that you know as well as anybody that there are several writers registered here under the same S/Ns that they use on the essay company whose admin screens you can access and you know that we're reputable and very good at what we do, whether it's for the essay company that you consider the best in the business or on a freelance basis. You know our names and addresses, our social security numbers and bank accounts, how much we earned every year that we wrote for that company, how often we were requested by essay-company customers, and you know our reputations as writers.

It would require very little thought and only the most minimal effort on your part not to disparage us "accidentally" in your warnings to customers about all the rip-off artists who infect this industry. In fact, it would take only a very small fraction of the thought or effort to type out qualifiers in your warnings (such as "while there are some reputable writers who still do business under their AOL or Gmail accounts...") that it takes for you to engage in these sorts of protracted arguments. The fact that you refuse to do so makes it very obvious that your preference is to disparage us purposely rather than choosing words to avoid doing so in the process of warning customers about rip-off artists. That suggests to me that you're not an "impartial" or "objective" observer at all, but someone with very specific personal interests in steering any and all customers away from all freelance writers (including those you know to be totally legitimate) and toward the essay companies against whom the scam companies that you devote so much time to outing compete. In my opinion, you view all freelance writers as competitors for business and your blanket statements are intended to disparage all of us for your benefit and hardly just to "warn" clients about the real threats out there for their benefit and without any benefit to you at all, as some sort of altruistic contribution to the world.

Did you miss what I typed about "tangents," "conjecture," and "diatribes"?

Until you specifically address the 3 points that I listed, your position will remain unconvincing.

Well every domain registrar that I know of lets you keep your identity, as the owner of the domain, anonymous for a small fee. So the distinction between domain-associated email addresses and "anonymous" ones is non-existent.

Writers2beware winding people up reminds me of Lucy, Charlie Brown, and the football.

1. I doubt that you have my tools, knowledge, and experience in network/computer forensics. There are many possible dots to connect outside of Whois data.

2. Every email address is associated with a domain.

3. It's not the email address that I track/vet; it's the domain. Regardless, your claim regarding "distinction" is false. What you seem to overlook is that most fraudsters in this industry are ESL idiots, so to assume that they make all the right moves is simply not accurate. Also, just because a domain has "Whois privacy" does not mean that I can't access the underlying ownership information.

Maybe, but the average student/customer not going to be able to track down the origin and ownership of a website, especially if the Whois data is blocked. The fact that someone has a website doesn't indicate anything - could just be a scammer with a site, or a company acting like an individual writer. If having a site equated to being trustworthy, we could trust the ESL companies out there that have untold numbers of sites. Do you trust them?

For goodness' sake, I hope you're happy that you've left me with no choice but to reveal things that I did not want to reveal.

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The appearance of a website doesn't necessarily mean the service is good or bad, but in my experience and reading the experiences of some users in this forum, even the best designed websites can be run by unscrupulous people.

When considering using a writing service, I'd pay close attention to:

1. The knowledge and friendliness of the support staff when you are making contact.

2. Is the support staff easy to contact (during business hours, which should be posted somewhere on the respective website)?

3. Is the website free of grammar errors? (This is not to say that you won't find a single error anywhere on the website as designers are human and prone to err, but generally you can spot the difference if you take the time to review more than the main pages.)

4. If you placed and paid for your order, how is the responsiveness of the support staff and your writer, if you can contact the writer directly. If not, how is the writer's responsiveness through the company's system? (A good company is one that is attentive before, during, and even after the sale is complete. That is how a new client becomes a repeat client. Some companies stay in close contact while trying to obtain your business but once you make the payment, their attentiveness dwindles. Of course, during peak times, it may take longer to respond to clients, but generally a company's support staff should reply to clients within a few hours or at least the same day (when really swamped).)

5. What is the company's policy on difficult orders? I don't accept a project that I am not 100% confident I can complete, but many companies (and some indie writers will). If your project is more complex than originally thought, will the company let you know quickly and refund your money?

There are many other things to watch for and questions to ask, but this is a start.

Overall, the way a website looks is simply not enough to let you know how the company and its writers will treat you nor does it prove the quality of the work you will receive.

In fact, I have a former colleague who now operates her own writing company. Her website is simple. It's attractive enough but not "beautiful." It doesn't offer the option to pay for the order when submitting it. Clients must wait on the company to email the price and then they pay via the accepted methods. It works for her and she can better vet the projects that she may not have a qualified writer for. Now, that is not to say that companies that do have "pay now" options don't vet. I just used my friend as an example to illustrate that beauty does not equal quality and vice versa.

Generally, the visual quality and functionality of a website has almost nothing to do with the likelihood that the company is legitimate or that it provides quality work. Certainly, most of the big, legitimate essay companies do have very nice websites; however, the problem is that so do most of the worst scam companies out there, because they invest a lot of money into very slick, professional-looking websites, precisely because that's exactly how they hope to represent themselves as legitimate. Conversely, some of the best small companies such as the sole-proprietorships run by independent writers who are among the best essay providers in this entire industry run comparatively simple, bare-bones websites. Most of them either were once or still are (simultaneously) some of the very best writers at some of the very best big essay companies, as I've pointed out many times.

I agree Writer4Life's point about the grammar reflected in the website copy, but I disagree with the other 4 elements of your analysis for these specific reasons:


Nobody provides friendlier or more helpful-seeming "customer support" than the worst scam sites out there. Of course, all of that changes the instant they're in possession of your hard-earned money. Nobody needs to take my word for this: simply go through some of the complaints on this forum, complete with full transcripts of the "chats" with customer support teams before and after orders are placed. The rip-off sites invest most of their resources into their websites and their customer support, because they don't have to worry about actually providing the high-quality work promised. Conversely, those of us who actually provide the high-quality work promised don't really have the time to devote to endless "pre-sale" communications to convince anybody to use our services.


They can say whatever they want about their availability and support hours on their websites. Until you actually pay for an order, you really have no idea how much of that is true. Again, just go through some of the chat logs and email chains posted on this forum by customers who got ripped off by some of these scam operations to see what I'm talking about in this regard.


As explained above, once you've paid them, it's too late to use this information to avoid getting ripped off. The various chat logs posted in other threads on this forum clearly demonstrate a 180-degree turn from overly-friendly and personalized patient responses to every imaginable question to highly-impersonal and cold responses (and chats abruptly terminated by customer support after a few non-responsive or evasive answers) when customers have problems with their orders after paying for them.


Not necessarily. Many of their systems are automatic without any human being evaluating the relative difficulty of any orders placed through their systems. Typically, the first time that customers have any clue that there might be a problem with an order is either when they receive a totally-unusable piece of work for which customers have to request substantial revisions or a complete rewrite (see #s 1. 2, and 4 above) or when they receive nothing by the due date, contact the company to ask about the project, and then find out for the first time that no writer ever took the project and that it's just been sitting on the assignment board ever since the order was paid for. (Before I was prohibited from doing it here in 2010, I used to check some of the essay company boards as a courtesy to forum members who just wanted to know whether or not their orders had ever been taken by any writer at the companies for which I was writing.)

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Just like all the other scams in this world, the flashier the website, the fancier the name, the more foreign the location, the more people are prone to believe that the company is "big" and "reliable". On the contrary, when I see a website that tries to make a good first impression via pomp and pageantry, the more I tend to distrust the company. Why? Simply because the company is not trying to sell me on the service they are offering, they are trying to sell me on the image of their company. Which, in book, amounts to nothing because they have yet to actually prove to me that they can deliver and are actually capable of fulfilling their quality claims. So yes, in my opinion, there is a direct relationship between the way a website looks and the quality of work it delivers. The better looking the site, the more I am convinced I should not trust their services.

While I wouldn't necessarily suggest that a nice-looking website always means that the service is shady, I'd agree that most of the worst scam companies do hide behind deceptively legitimate-looking sites designed, precisely, to gain confidence on that specific basis. Typically, they also use 24-hour "chat" systems through which their reps reel in customers by providing only the most accommodating and reassuring answers about any prospective project, such as promising to assign the "perfect" writer who has a "PhD" in the exact field of any prospective project. Meanwhile, some of the best providers in this industry maintain very simple websites and rely exclusively on email to communicate with clients.

Students shop for their academic websites the same way they shop for their clothes. Ooohhh! Shiny, I like! They are first attracted to the sleekness of the website. The more admirable the look of the images they use from their stock photos, the more the students tend to stay. Let's put it this way, an Instragrammable website definite helps in attracting the student. For some reason, it also equates into the student having a tendency to trust the fake image and reviews. It isn't until the problems start to come up during the work process that the students finally learn to equate the flashy website with problematic order placements. I have seen low profile company websites, from reputable companies and independent writers, that do well with direct clients. They charge appropriately and are in an open discussion relationship with their clients. These are the more trustworthy websites. Flash, glitz, and glamour, these are the means by which the questionable companies reel in their unsuspecting clients.

A high definition website could be more problematic to deal with than a company that uses a more basic looking website for its representation. The quality of work cannot be found in the way the site looks. That is found after the order is placed and you have received your paper. Some websites have not changed their UI in ages, but their company remains stable in terms of client number and influx because the quality of the work their writers do speaks for the website itself. Glossy does not always equate to good quality.

Seriously, the days of being able to spot a sketchy academic site just by looking at it are totally over. Now, every single one of these companies has high-res images and super-polished AI blurbs that make them look 100% legit. It's all designed to make you trust them and their "expert" writers, but you honestly can't judge a book by its cover anymore.

A professional-looking landing page doesn't mean you're getting professional-level work. It's impossible to tell what the actual writing quality is going to be like until you've already paid. They're basically AI-ing the heck out of their promos, and I've already seen a bunch of my classmates throw their money away on services that ended up being total garbage. It's such a trap.