How can students complain that they are being scammed

... when they're scamming their university by buying an essay/dissertation ?

the real criminals? the customers!

you know who the real criminals and fraudsters are in this industry?

the customers!

that's right: the students!

especially the ones who complain to you that they need you to validate their claims in professorial interviews about cheating, after they hand in everything verbatim. how dare they complain, or even ask! they are brazen idiots; they are also filthy, criminal plagiarists. may they all be revealed as impostors and drummed out of their respective institutions, and be beaten in the streets, to the cheering of crowds, for their crimes...

WritersBeware is such a charmer!

it's a good question, rootio. it's an industry based on deception and double-talk-- the customer, if the term-paper mill is incorporated in a place that has laws dictating it so, is supposed to receive a "research guide," which is not intended to be handed in directly.

(wink, wink)

in any case, a sense of entitlement accompanies most purchases, and, to add insult to injury, the average term-paper mill customer is quite dim. so, complaining about being scammed, while intending to scam the university, seems quite logical to them, even if, to you, it seems totally nuts.

welcome to the Bizarro World of the term-paper mill industry.

Customers, welcome to the Bizarro World of this forum's new resident troll whose rantings are ignored by every legitimate member of this forum. He's been here for only a month but has spammed the board with almost 200 nonsense posts in that time. Legitimate regular-but-non-troll forum members here typically don't post that much in an entire year and don't have close to 0% positive responses from other members.

There are essay writing companies that do not deceive customers or exploit writers and both Pheelyks and I work for several of them. We work very hard to do good work for our clients (many of whom request us repeatedly after getting their first work from us), and we're very fairly treated and compensated by those companies. If you just use this forum's search functions and/or go through our previous thread posts, you should have no problem identifying a few totally legitimate companies and non-lunatic forum members.

thanks, FW, but I think you're still responding to another thread. this one is about the nature of the "scam" in this industry, and where it begins and ends. if you have something substantial and interesting to say about this, now that you know what we're talking about, I'm sure everyone would love to hear it.

Freelancewriter is being silly,the question is about the ethics of the whole stuff. If you are scammed right in the process of seeking help to scam, is it moral to start shouting around about scammers?

FW is silly?! For your own sake, just hope and pray you grow to became half as 'silly' as him. At that point, you'll be considered a member of the human race.

Before any of the idiots point it out:
Become not became

when they are scamming by their universities by buying the thesis

We are complaining about scammers as writing agencies though they charge a high amount of money to students to deliver a well written thesis as per the customers'requirements, they mostly deliver only s...t! I don't think that a student is forwarding the writer's work as his own..... the tutors at the university ( I 'm talking about mine) are no idiots! They will certainly notice that the work handed over doesn't match the way I'm use to write/present my work. We certainly meet our tutors either on a daily or weekly basis and depending on the tutor and what one is studying, we have to provide in addition to essaay, reports regular written assignments and presentations. Students using writers want above all to get an essay frame; we appreciate the way paragraphs/ ideas are linked, the flow of the essay which only a professional writer can do.... In addition there are many students who are working and have family obligations but who want nevertheless to achieve a diploma but do not have enough time to handle ALL written assignments. We are far from scamming our tutor/ university...

if a client hires you to build a website and pays you on hourly basis, puts their copyright when it's done and makes money using it, is it fair or not?


if you get drunk in a bar, will you be complaining for being robbed?

I'm not sure about the key points of the discussion.

But when we were younger like during primary or secondary school level and pre-school time. Sets of principals being passed to us on what's is right and what is wrong, to kinda "format" you into a proper order that won't mess up the order of how a society works.

But as we grow older, a lot of times, or sometimes to some people, it's about making decision, based on the situation and the factors that take place.

Moral is a very subjective thing. But, I would go with whatever works for your future.

A person requesting for custom essay service doesn't mean he is a failure.

In this context, it's about letting the users aware of what's going on.

[Moved from]: Students shouldn't complain once they are scammed by writers or paper services

If you buy an essay with the intention of handing it in as your own work, you've got no reason to complain if you're scammed/receive plagiarized work.

How, for hell's sake, do you expect a writer(most likely) not qualified in your field to produce a quality paper if you yourself cannot manage, your tutor's guidance/lecture notes notwithstanding?

I endorse scamming if its executed against students planning to fool their universities.

Students should not abuse the Terms of services or freelance writers (that state that an example essay is to be used for reference purposes only).

No single freelancer bothers to warn students about the usability extent of the papers, right? if they did so, they'd lose 90% of their clients.

All the palaver about essays being used as 'model' guidelines is just that- empty air. We all know that no student is going to spend up to $3000 for a dissertation only for him to use it as a 'guideline'

Otherwise, there wouldn't be much noise about 'plagiarism' because students would care less about it if they were only using the essays as models to write up their own.

Actually, that was my question too; you may want to reply there.


A dissertation is a tricky subject because you cannot just submit it and forget about it; there is preliminary research, topic choice, revisions, additions, meetings with advisor, etc. So it's an overstatement to say a student buys a 100-page dissertation, submits it, and gets a diploma. Writing a dissertation is a long process and the actual writing part is usually the easiest one.

I guess there is much noise about 'plagiarism' because all students (whether they use reference writing services or not) use Internet sources and spun/rewrite/repackage them; some do it correctly, others don't. I personally think the majority of students who get caught plagiarizing are the ones who write their own essays.

Students shouldn't complain once scammed......

Students never cease to amaze me: so you get scammed by a 'native' American writer or an ESL writer/company and then you rush here weeping, claiming you were conned. Weren't you trying to cheat your university as well?

Weren't you trying to gain unfairly over your classmates through cheating?
If you can't write the essay and you've got the advantage of having learnt the topic/unit, how do you expect an average writer who has never studied the topic to produce a high quality paper?

Why , instead of relying on your tutors for advice, do you have to rely on shady/unethical/shadowy dolts like Writers2beware for 'advice' ?
If you get scammed while trying to scam your university, it's a fair game.

they are free to complain as much as they want. It's their fault they didnt do enough research/chose a bad person.

Please don't feed the animals.

I certainly don't -- that would be hypocritical and I'm not a hypocrite. I just try to make sure that everything I provide is nailed down tight and responsive to the assignment guidelines. Some (not most) of my clients tell me that they intend to modify my work product to suit their specific needs, and I always encourage collaboration (these are my favorite clients). I also use peer-reviewed and scholarly sources to support my views. After that, they're own their own, but I think I have helped a large number of students overcome their writing block and/or manage their time more efficiently by showing them how it's done. This is not to say I've performed a public service, but it is to say that my clients can trust me to provide them with what they ordered rather than a plagiarized piece of garbage. No one benefits from that except the fly-by-nights and we know who they are. By the way, I'm a big fan.

Most sites/writers use "free service" as bait to lure desperate students. Let's face it, there's no free lunch. Good writers spend significant time on writing quality papers, which is no cake wake. It's hard work and it's only fair to pay them for their services. Everybody has bills to pay! ;) That said, students have to choose whichever service is affordable and suits them the best.

Plagiarism is a dormant issue and if students subscribe to "free" service, they'll obviously get "used" content. There are lots of great sites that offer services at a competitive price. Also, this whole idea of "students are cheating the university by buying assignment" idea seems like cynicism to me. Let's face it, there are times when even the best of us need support when we are at our wits end. So, I don't think it's a "sin" to approach others when in need. The number and popularity of sites that offer assignment support is increasing. This only means that there are takers for such services.

All in all, approaching an established service provider (who charges a few bucks extra), is any day better than being fooled by sources you can't trust.

ESL hacks who ooze their way into the essay biz trying to pass themselves off as fluent English speakers-- that's the real breach of trust. Have fun at your cake wake, you unqualified ***.

I think to avoid having to complain, the best course of action is to ensure, during the initial communication stage with writers, that their level of written English is very high. Having said that, don't penalize a writer for small errors during correspondence, because, in my experience, e-mails are often written on-the-move and using a smartphone. Autocorrect can be a real pain when trying to communicate quickly.

You do make a point about the students being the criminals in this instance but, that is really a gray area. I mean, wouldn't you want to pay for help if that is what it took to pass your class? The only crime here, as far as I can see, is that the students honestly want to make the grade but can't figure out how to do it alone. So they ask for help. Their need for constant help produced a new, albeit underground, business type, the academic writers and the companies that hire them. They are here for a purpose, to help the students. While not writing their own papers may be an academic violation, it isn't really a crime in the sense of the word as you implied it to mean. Rather, the students are merely clients who require assistance and they are willing to pay for it. I would rather help a student who needs it and get paid for it rather than be bullied into helping someone with their paper just so my lunch money won't get stolen. There is a bigger crime wave going on in the schools that pales in comparison to the student's use of independent academic writers.

I always want to think of independent academic writers and those affiliated with academic outsourcing companies as people in the profession of offering academic assistance. It is not to say that the writers are helping them cheat the system. Rather, the students try to find a writer because they know they need the extra help in accomplishing their academic tasks. Just like anyone who hires a service, they have the right to complain if they are not satisfied with the work received. Whatever their intention for ordering the paper, it doesn't erase the fact that they hired an independent writer or the paper service in good faith. They put their trust in the person or company and the least the person or company can do is repay the trust with quality work. Sure the independent writers may be remiss in reminding the student that they should not turn in the paper for a grade. The fact is the writer promised to deliver an original and plagiarism free paper to the student which, for all intents and purposes, should be submittable for a grade. So yeah, they should reserve the right to complain and do it loudly if they end up getting scammed. You pay for a service, you expect to get good service. If you don't then feel free to complain. It helps to vent until you get the chargeback claim processed.

Agreed. What customers choose to do with their essays has nothing to do with their right to receive whatever they paid for from their writers or essay companies.

It's just like any other industry. The students complain that they are being scammed when they are the ones who are violating the academic standards of their institutions in the first place. They claim that they really need help in order to keep abreast of their academic work and yet, they are careless when it comes to choosing the right service for their needs. Let's put it this way, for every service required, there is always someone ready and willing to run a scam. The students know this and they choose to ignore that fact.

let's also not forget that the students are the first scammers in this scenario since they are willing to violate the ethical code of their university through contract cheating. By not working on the paper themselves, they admit that they are willing to be scammed. By hiring a 3rd rate writer or writing company, they are begging to be scammed. So it would appear that they actually have no right to complain about being scammed in the first place.

I'd respectfully disagree with all of the above post, especially this part.


If all academic writing for hire is a "scam" just because of the nature of the service, there'd be absolutely no purpose to the existence of this entire forum. The meaningful distinction is (or should be) between providers who actually deliver the product for which they accept payment and providers who just collect payments without ever delivering the product or who deliver a product that isn't anything remotely close to what the provider purported to offer, such as plagiarized content or writing that barely qualifies as either "academic" or "English."

For the purpose of any meaningful and sensible discussion, providers who don't intend to deliver what they promise to deliver and routinely fail to are "scams" and those who provide exactly what they promise to provide are not "scams." Whatever broader ethical points you want to make about the practice of purchasing custom-written academic essays has nothing to do with the distinction between scams that exist only to rip off their customers and legitimate service providers who are in this business to make a living by delivering exactly what their customers pay them for.

Students are not really scamming the university by hiring a writing service. Sure they are working around the limitations that the academic system places upon their learning process. That doesn't make it illegal nor does it mean they are scamming the university. They are merely surviving in a place where academic papers are the make or break of a student's grade. Of course they have the right to complain when they are scammed. They paid good money for the service. Their parents worked hard to earn that money, they told their parents they are working hard to earn their degree at the university. So they better get the results they paid for when they ordered the paper. It isn't just about academic regulations, it is also about helping students stay afloat when they are drowning in paper work. Students never enter into a paper writing deal expecting to be scammed. They expect to get service. The OP makes extremely negative assumptions that paints both the student and writer in a bad light. One that neither of the parties would agree is correct.

Well the students definitely have a reason to complain about being scammed these days when they hire an academic writing service. They are promised that a human being will do the writing of the paper, only to find out that they paid a premium price for AI writing, which they could have done themselves. That is the only definition of students being scammed by an academic writing service that I will accept because the companies and writers are misrepresenting the service they will be providing.