Students will submit the work as their own? TOS and restrictions of term paper providers.

Hello Everyone,

Some of the essay/dissertation companies states on their term and conditions that the work the provide is only for research or reference purposes and the student are not allowed to turn it as their own work but they don't say this directly on the websites.

The question is how this will work if the most of the students will submit the work as their own and get marks for it. How the company or the university will find out if the student has exclusive copyrights over the paper.

Thanks.

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I guess all companies should agree submitting a paper by a student who hasn't written it is blatant plagiarism. What students do with the papers - I'm not sure. Nobody but the students really know.

Major,
The students provide outlines (approved by their professors) and references so what else they can do themselves if the topic has been completely covered.

But the question is: Who is going to find out and how?

questions for you Alish and other writers,

Do you guys keep copies of the papers you write in order to sell them latter ( e.g for other companies or students)? What action can you take when a student submit what have u written as his or her own work?

thanks

I don't think it's easy to sell a pre-written paper. If a paper is published online, it's of no use as search engines will find it.


If the student paid for the paper, I would assume the writer would have no interest to take any action. Unless the paper was not paid for. On the other hand, some writers may report such student if they realize they submitted the paper as their own and didn't provide appropriate notes about the authorship of the paper.

Why do you ask?

That's logical and I think the writer has the right to do so. I am just trying find out how this business works for both sides.

Lest assume the paper resold online was gone already through trunitin software?? It would be risky for the new buyer :0)

If the writer is paid and treated well, s/he won't risk re-selling the paper to third parties (I don't think any serious company would allow that). I think you're right about anti-plagiarism software.

Hey all,

Consider this question:

When a student gets caught plagiarizing Heart of Darkness, does the student's professor blame Joseph Conrad?

Is my question humorous?

A professor's hypocrisy becomes obvious when one considers the professor's support of a freelance writer's right to sell his or her own work and not be villainized because a nincompoop student decides to plagiarize it, and Joseph Conrad's (or any other author's) right to the same.

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Submitting the paper you bought as your own.

Well I couldn't help it. I just gotta summarize the stuff that I was able to flesh out the last couple of days before I take a break again to concentrate on the busy season. I'll try to make it as simple as I can.

Customers generally intend to submit the papers that they buy. Some of them make a few changes or add their own style but mostly, they buy so that they won't have to do the work. This is very reasonable in my book.

Genuine American sites claim that they do not allow this activity. If you buy from them, you can only use their work as reference that you should cite. If they were really firm in this rule, they can just feed the essays that they write to turnitin so that it would ping on a plagiarism scan if the student still submits it.

If American companies truly don't allow you to submit the paper you bought from them as is (or with minor changes) when that's exactly what you intend to do, then you shouldn't order from them. It's a waste of money.

If American companies just "tell" you that they don't allow you to submit the paper you bought but don't really take any measures to prevent you from doing so, then it's alright to order from them. However if this was the case, then it also means that these American companies aren't so clean as well. If that's the case, then they really are no better than non-American companies posing as American. Both of them deal with some sort of deceit in their business.

The bottom line for customers is this: Find a site that doesn't screw you. Find a site that gives you your money's worth. That's all that matters, right? Great! ^_^

If anybody needs me, don't message me through the pm system of this board. It doesn't work. You can email me at ewwriter@yahoo

See you all after the season. :) Everybody take care. ^_^

Restriction clauses by essay services: Who takes them seriously?

So we all know that some term paper mills have clauses on their sites saying that you cannot submit the papers that you buy from them for academic credit. The issue is, do these companies actually do anything to prevent you from doing so? I mean, they can always feed your paper to turnitin but do they? If they did, would you as a customer still be willing to buy anything from them?

I found out about turnitin - I here they keep the paper, so if someone decides to plagiarize it, it will be found - almost like it's google, it keeps everything!!! Is this right?

Maybe I'm from a different generation, but isn't it possible to scan your paper in at an angle where the school cannot "detect" the words? Is this possible? Or do they now require everything typed (this I would assume so)?

"Research purposes only" - The twilight zone?

I've been browsing through this website for a few days now (out of boredom) because it's downright entertaining. I'm asking the following out of sheer curiosity and I'm fully expecting a firestorm of insults/hatred from those of you who spend every waking moment on this site (especially as this is my first post).

I've gotten the impression that a good % of people here legitimately believe that people who pay for custom papers either 1) don't turn it in as their own work, or 2) cite the "research paper" in their own paper. My question for those people...

Are you high & can you tell me where to buy whatever it is you're smoking? No sane person can honestly believe this. MAYBE a small (and I mean SMALL) percentage of people use them for "research purposes only", but come on.

The only concrete evidence available-although small in sample size-proves that masters of negative assumption like you are simply wrong. In 1997, Boston University sued some term paper sites. BU's own investigation backfired, proving that 7 out of 8 BU students who bought papers from the term paper sites properly referenced the purchased paper(s) in the bibliography of their own, uniquely-written papers.

So, I suggest that you buy a clue before asking others what they are smoking.

I was hoping you'd show up. I've seen your thread about this BU investigation. For how intelligent you make yourself sound, I'm surprised you'd offer something like this as an argument. Eight students? EIGHT? Surely, you know how big the paper writing industry has become. That's a laughable sample size.

I've read enough to know that you are totally delusional, WB, so I have no desire to argue with you (although every post you make guarantees to give me a laugh, so keep em coming).

To everyone else - Is this forum too connected with the business to allow for an honest response? Are you all living in la-la land like the resident psychopath above? Why not embrace the fact that there is good money in doing something that is arguably unethical? I'm not here to bash the paper writing industry, I'm just confused. It's not even an argument. I don't need proof. The sky is blue. Grass is green. People who commission papers turn them in as their own. Everyone here can't be crazy, right?

Well, of course you don't. That's a great position to take-in advance-when you know damn well that you don't have any proof.


Can you not read, you ******* lowlife?


Unless you have some concrete numbers to present, your sample size is ZERO. FYI, 0 is less than 8.

Oh, and if you really think that you're fooling anyone with your new username, you are delusional.

After I watch multiple TV ads on America channels for youth people temptating them to buy hard spirits (even Russian vodka :ok) I I've gotten the impression that a good % of people making millions on TV commercials legitimately believe that people who pay for 40% alcohol either 1) never get drunk and dont do stupid things like drive after drink, or 2) always "drink responsibly" because that is what the warning labels write. My question for those people...

Are you high & can you tell me where to buy whatever it is you're smoking? No sane person can honestly believe this. MAYBE a small (and I mean SMALL) percentage of young people care about the "be responsible" tag , but come on.

But WB is right that the proof by court is that they buy them for reference purposes as they should. Why it hard to get it?

Find a site that gives you good essays, but always spend less than $10 to check the similarity rate before submitting anything.

I'm pretty sure that you have to be a professor with clearance to feed anything to Turnitin.com.

The "for student" version, WriteCheck works.

The terms of service of other companies do not say that the model paper is not supposed to be submitted for a grade. Mainly because they know that saying such things are as effective as saying "The sky is falling!" and the student will just laugh off such terms in the agreement. That is why a majority of these companies have decided to just have the writers turn over all rights to the paper to the student for his use. He can now use the paper in any manner he deems fit based on the updated Terms of Service of most companies. In all honesty, the company has no way of knowing whether or not the student will be submitting the model essay for a grade. The university will also not have any idea as to whether or not the essay came from a writing service unless the paper is so bad that it is a dead giveaway. Rest assured that the writer is not going to chase after you for submitting the paper for a grade. He doesn't even know who you are aside from your being a client number at the company. So the rights to the paper all safely belong to you.

The last time I checked, the TOS of the essay company for which I provided more projects than any other specifically prohibited customers from submitting their product for academic credit. Unless they've since changed their TOS, they actually do require customers to include a citation referencing the essay company as a source of any information incorporated into the customer's submitted work. You may draw your own conclusions about why they do this and about whether or not they really believe that any of their customers actually include (XYZ Custom Essays, Inc.* 2017) as citations within the projects they submit for academic credit.

*[Not the real company name]

True, there are some that actually ask that the company be cited as the source of certain information within model paper. We have to admit though that certain companies are already known either as a scam company or a popular academic "assistance" company that leads the educators to instantly fail the student who submits either the whole paper or parts of the paper with proper citations for a grade. I guess I should have clarified that the modified Terms of Service that I speak of applies mostly to the companies that I work for. Then again, that is why I specified that the student should look for companies that explicitly transfer the rights of the paper to them upon submission. This was done, I believe, so that the companies do not need to be cited in the paper and as such, the student will not risk getting an automatic failing score based solely on the way that the teacher or professor identifies the source as being a academic company / website. He can cite all the other sources in the paper accurately since he is given a bibliography list with which to submit his paper so that part of the research / essay will check out when run through a plagiarism software. The main problem, is that the reference to the company automatically launches a red flag on the paper. That is the only reason that the TOS is modified by other companies. It is to create a win-win situation for the student and the company.

Nobody ever said that the American firms dealing in academic outsourcing were on the level. This is a gray area business that cannot be called "legitimate" by any consideration because the work being done for the student is something frowned upon by the academic world. The American companies work for the student in the same manner that the third world companies function. The difference being that the American company can actually deliver usable work and good, reliable services to their clients. Which is less than what the third rate companies do. I would be careful about lumping the American companies with the bad eggs. The two can never compare. The third rate company can never deliver a paper that the student can simply submit for a grade. Those are the true model papers because the students have to clean up the grammar and request for constant revisions before the paper can even come close to being useful. American companies at least submit a paper that, if the client wishes to, may submit it for a grade.

For whatever it's worth, the legit American companies don't cheat or deceive their customers, which is a totally separate issue from whatever criticism someone may want to level against the whole practice of selling academic ghostwriting.

Let's put it this way, there is a reason that the writing companies have that disclaimer and it all has to do with the plagiarism checkers floating around the web. While these companies claim to use independent plagiarism checking services / software when they run a plagiarism report for the student, the company isn't really sure that the software used did not somehow store the paper in the server as part of its database. Therefore, if the professor runs a plagiarism check, the paper just might turn up and get flagged. This is the main reason why, even though the paper written is original, the company would rather that the student not submit the original paper for a grade. In fact, the student merely has to rephrase the full paper that was submitted to them by the writer in order to avoid any plagiarism possibilities. The exclusive content assignment is indicated in the TOS and is honored by the company and the writer. If the professor finds out, then that is a different case. There is no way to prove that you own the rights because you will be in even bigger trouble if you admit that you had someone write the paper for you. You will then be accused of contract cheating and will be in deep academic trouble.

This debate has gone on long enough. We've dilly-dallied and sashayed around this key question for far too long. Of course, it's wrong to turn something that someone else wrote for you for credit, but let's face it -- that's that situation today, but this ethical dilemma s nothing new. What do you guys expect? Personally, I've helped thousands (really) of honest, talented and even gifted students graduate, get better jobs and go on to live better lives and pay higher taxes -- helping you in your own studies.

It's wrong, I admit, but ghostwriting dates to biblical times and I'm not above making a buck at it if I can. The skill sets needed to be a great nurse, teacher, politician or even doctor (I know because I helped them graduate) or whatever don't always include top-notch writing skills, and I'm just happy I could help them. God bless the U.S.A.

This not only goes for American companies. Any company that's legitimate in this industry would not even dare to deceive their customers. This is especially because the costs are too high. It can ruin a company's long-term reputation, affecting the overall sustainability of the business.

True, but only if their business model is to earn money from providing exactly what they advertise to a growing list of satisfied customers. For every operation with that business model in this industry, there may be 10 (or 100) whose business model is to invest in heavily-advertising a flashy-looking website designed to scam and cheat an endless supply of first-time/last-time customers and then just change the name of the enterprise and website. Some of them (including a few that have been documented on this forum as total scams, complete with lengthy "chat" logs) don't even bother changing names and just advertise so heavily that they can absorb any damage from bad reviews because so many new clients don't do their basic due diligence in researching those sites before getting sucked in by their websites and fake "testimonials."

There's been so many instances wherein I've observed this websites all throughout. Never noticed when I first started. But the deeper I got into the business, the more that I noticed how commonplace it is to have "formal-looking" sites to appear trustworthy but not necessarily having the output to back it up.

Regardless of what the company's TOS say about prohibiting customers from submitting the work for credit, they (obviously) have absolutely no way of monitoring what customers do with their essays unless they publicly post portions of them online for resale or something, which isn't something customers typically do. Even that would most likely never be discovered, because essay companies aren't devoting any of their resources to scour the Internet searching for the essays that they've already sold. Generally, they just include those provisions in their TOS for these two specific reasons: (1) They think it creates some plausible deniability and legal responsibility in states that prohibit academic ghostwriting by statute; and (2) It gives them an excuse not to honor otherwise valid rewrite and/or refund requests, such as where the work they provide fails to meet the original specs but the customer admits to having submitted the work for credit. If you admit to having submitted the work for credit as part of your rewrite/refund request, they can cite your TOS violation and the other language in those TOS pertaining to their right to disclaim any further responsibility for the project if the customer violates their TOS.

The university will not know that the student owns the rights to the paper because they were never supposed to buy a paper to submit in the first place. If a paper comes up as flagged for plagiarism, then the student is sunk. There is no way he can ask the company to write a waiver for submission to the academic honesty committee. That will only make his case worse. Not only did he plagiarize the paper, but he paid someone to write the paper for him. Imagine what the final outcome will be... Exactly. The TOS of companies blur the intellectual copyright of the paper because they totally plan to resell the same paper in the future. So don't ever believe that the full intellectual copyright transfers from writer to company to student. That isn't always (never) the case.