Will my teacher find out I used turnitin.com?

What about the NUMEROUS law students that avail themselves of these services. They HAVE to write reams once in practice. As for medical professionals, don't doctors have to write medical reports, and social workers have to write reports on the individuals they deal with.

I think you will find that nowadays MANY occupations require a SUBSTANTIAL amount of writing as part of the job description.

Besides, the argument here, is that if they are prepared to CHEAT their way through university then their INTEGRITY is in question. I have NO problem with students using work as a guideline, BUT submitting the work as THEIR OWN, come on, does that seriously not bother you AT ALL.


This was not used as a request for someone to buy OR something but a kind of slang term used in English sometimes. The kind of thing one might say to a mate in a passing conversation, ie 'I am going to get me some...' Yes not grammatically correct, but also not intended to be either. So in actual fact, the manner in which OR used this phrase would be used in conversational English between friends.

One day. Five posts. All abusive.

And the retard population increases by one.


No.

I have a college degree, and it's worthless. So was the education itself, for the most part. I got "A"s on essays I wrote on books I hadn't read an hour before I showed up to class, and I attended one of the top-ranked universities in the US. Yes, I know the US doesn't have the greatest academic system around, but I suspect the situation is largely the same in most UK universities. School is a joke, and most people's jobs are equally pointless. I really don't care if a lifelong pencil pusher wants to pay me to do their work for them--I think it's hilarious that I make as much money doing this as they're likely to in their careers.

Remember truthprevails and others? Well, all are the same person as the one up there :) MKM - yes, I am ignoring you. Jump all over the board, say whatever you want ...

BTW - have you been getting any pets to mind? :)


No - you are Australian :)


Less, as in steal web programming (it is exclusive, by the way); less, as in engage in fraud ; less, as in plagiarise their way through UWS; less, as in steal webcopy from other sites; less, as in claim to have 10 years experience and served thousands of students when, actually, only couple of months and maybe 5 students?

MKM - do you think your opinion matters? J is following the board, BTW. You know my placeS of graduation but are trying to promote lies - ask Damin just how bad that is for you. You are going to find out soon enough, anyways :)

I've been through law school and I've worked for a law firm; that kind of writing has nothing to do with any academic writing; you don't even do any writing in law school outside of your exams and maybe a single writing requirement project. Same goes for the type of writing in medical and social worker reports. I have another private client who graduated from Harvard Medical School with honors and doesn't have the time to do his MBA papers while working as a cardiologist; I'm not worried that he's "not qualified" in his field and I'm sure whatever he does with his MBA, it won't matter one bit who wrote his MBA stuff in school. Those professionals are all trained in their respective substantive areas and any shorcomings in their writing affect them, (if anybody) not their clients. My friend the RN didn't need to write his own papers on arbitrary topics of his choice in nursing school to write whatever he has to now as a practicing nurse either. The only professionals for whom plagiarism undermines their professional qualifications are those for whom writing is a primary vocational responsibility, not merely an incidental part and I highly doubt any of them would need ghostwriting or they wouldn't be going into those fields in the first place.


It bother me as much as when they "CHEAT" at the tollbooth...guess you missed that point or you wouldn't still be harping on this nonsense.

As I said, they're are issues that could be argued (such as integrity and honesty), but plagiarism on academic essays has almost nothing to do with whether or not students are qualified for any vocational fields other than those in which writing is among their principal rather than incidental responsibilities. I assume they don't have problems writing their grocery lists either.

you're not exposing anything but your own fear and ignorance.

I fully expected you to condone this sort of cheating since you assist others to cheat in this way by writing their work for them.

When I did my bar exams the lecturers made it abundantly clear that we were not to get assistance from anyone else with our written work (even another student) and that anyone doing so would fail the course on the principle that they had breached the professional standards required of a student studying for the bar.

As I have said before I have NO problem with work being used as a guideline, BUT submittng the work without alteration is unethical and should result in the person failing that element of the course as it is plagairism now matter how you try to frill it up.

That's your subjective opinion and you're entitled to it. But you're trying to justify it objectively by suggesting that plagiarism on academic essays necessarily means the student isn't qualified substantively, not that it isn't ethical. I'm not arguing the ethics or morality issue; I'm simply pointing out how stupid it is to say that plagiarizing an essay necessarily means a student isn't qualified by any objective measure of subject matter knowledge. Yes, it's as unethical and dishonest as cheating on tollbooths; but it has almost as little to do with whether a student is substantively qualified in any field...except the field of writing for a living.

In fact, it works both ways: being a great writer doesn't mean you're qualified in any professional field in which you happen to have a degree. You, for one example, say you have a law degree; yet you can't seem to grasp one of the most fundamental of all legal concepts of discussing one logical issue at a time without confusing them. That would be much more of an impedimant to practicing law than just plagiarizing a history essay in college or whatever the case may be if the person at least knew how to stick to one issue at a time and/or had the intellectual integrity not to deflect from a losing argument purposely just to save face in a meaningless anonymous conversation.


...and to whatever extent that may ever have been true about my private work, it doesn't apply to any of the commercial sites that use me now; I've already explained that they're as careful as anybody in the business to try to ensure that students don't use their product unethically.

Bingo! I have been quite amused by the moron's insane accusations (accompanied by zero proof, of course) about numerous people and entities.

No matter what anyone says YOU have already decided that plagairism is ok, well here's hoping if you EVER become a published writer someone steals your work and gets the credit for it, then see if you are so happy to consone such a practice.

The whole essay writing business is unthical as it encourages cheating, but at the end of the day the students are only cheating themselves as they are basically buying their degree rather than earning it.

:) Suicidal tendencies! Public defamation and the propagation of misinformation :) I am enjoying it, though.

Tell me, what do you think of people who STEAL webcopy and testimonials from all across the internet?

Well, I think that they are spineless chunks of steaming refuse; but, of course, that's my completely biased opinion as a person who actually has a spine.

Well, there is this avid defender of the truth whose webcopies are remarkably similar to those of companies established long before ...
compare this articlesandbeyond.com to this onlinearticlehelp.com/.
The testimonials are particularly interesting ... onlinearticlehelp.com/testimonial.aspx check out the third one and remember: THE CUSTOMER WAS HAPPY.
The wonderful thing is that they promise originality and very firmly declare that each and every piece of work produced is checked for copyright infringement :)

Shall we say several sites like this one :) And all have served thousands of customers in the span of a few days.

Actually, I've agreed it's unethical; this conversation (on my end, anyway) is strictly about your idiotic statement that plagiarism on essays necessarily means the offending student isn't qualified in his or her field by virtue of ever having engaged in plagiariasm in any acadmic subject.

Again, you're confusing issues. The ethics of turning in plagiarized work as your own for academic credit has nothing to do with the issue of commercial copyright infringment, my relevant issue-challenged little friend.

Are you also such a vocal advocate against unethical behavior on tollboothcheating.net and taxshelters.org and forcedfemalecircumcision. net and shadystockbrokers.com? Why your particular preoccupation with this one specific aspect of unethical human conduct that is so much less harmful to society than so many others?

I am not preoccupied as you put it... it would, however, not be the right forum to post any other unethical behaviour I am against on a site DEDICATED to issues related to essay writing service... now whose not following the plot. Why on earth would i comment on issues concerning anything but essay writing services on a site that is specifically for that purpose.

At the end of the day YOU do not believe that cheating in such a way reflects on that persons ability to perform their role in the future. I however feel differently. That does not make you right and me wrong or vice versa, It is merely a matter of pure opinion. At leaset we both agree it us unthical, however, you still are actively involved in allowing this to continue, whilst I followed my morality and walked away from such employment. Each to their own I guess!!

whatever makes you a happy bunny...

Actually, the question is then why the preoccupation with a site dedicated to a profession with which you say you're no longer even involved?


It's not an "opinion" or about "feelings" at all. You have made a very specific testable claim that you say is true. The flawed reasoning behind it has been highlighted by several people. Personally, I'm perfectly comfortable letting anybody who reads this decide whether or not your suggestion that plagiarizing an essay in any subject means the student can't possibly be professionally qualified in engineering or nursing, etc (as opposed to writing) is completely ridiculous. All this nonsense about ethics is simply attempted deflection from that discussion.

To the best of my knowledge freedom of speech has not yet been abolished!! therefore I CAN and DO go on MANY discussion forums. My interest in this forum stems from the fact that a) I used to be a writer, b) I do not condone plagairism in any form, c) I still assist students by way of proof reading their work and making suggestions on how it might be improved and also am actively involved in online tutoring of students who are having difficulty writing their own essay. I assist such students by suggesting how the essay should be set out, the content and method to answer the question posed. By doing this the student produces their own work under guidance.

Anyway both of us have managed to take this off the original topic.

In response to the question of whether a teacher will find out if turnitin has been used, it is my understanding, based on my own daughters recent attendance at university, that each student is allowed to use what is called the play pen area of turnitin for a certain amount of times during their course. Work submitted in this area is checked for plagairism but is not stored. Once the work is to the students satisfaction the entire piece is then submitted to the full version of turnitin, where the work is then stored and a report sent to the university detailing the percentage of plagairised work within the piece. If the work has only be submitted to the playpen area then the teacher will not know that this has been done, as this is the very purpose of that area, so that a student can check their work for plagairism content before submittng the finished piece for marking.

I'm now starting to doubt your claim of having a law degree; nobody with any education in law would ever confuse the issue of the legal right to express an opinion publicly with a question simply asking you why you choose to be so involved in this specific issue.

Out of curiosity, what other types of forums and human issues you devote similar attention to? Or are you going to confuse that simple question with privacy infringement by the government and assert your "legal right" not to answer the question?


Speak for yourself. The only point I was discussing on this thread was your idiotic claim that no student who ever plagiarized any academic essay could possibly be professionally qualified in any academic area. I stand by that characterization and believe any objective person following this thread thinks it was an idiotic claim on your part.

Have you always been this objectionable or is it a recently acquired attribute. I do not have to explain to ANYONE why i chose to post on ANY forum nor am I going to. We all know why you post on here as we have seen on MANY occasions how you use this as a platform to boost your writing work.

I care little whether you believe my qualifications or not as I do not have to prove anything to you and will not be engaging in further debate with you on this matter. You can claim as many hollow victories as you like based on the fact that I refuse to continue this argument with you. Let it be noted that never once have I insulted or debased you in anyway, unlike your personal attacks on me. Carry on justifying the way you encourage and applaud students for cheating it speaks volumes about your character as does the way in which you resort to insulting other posters who express opinions contrary to yours.

Don't flatter yourself: this waste of a conversation is nothing I consider any type of "victory." It was just a simple question and nobody ever suggested you had any obligation to answer. On the other hand, it is a little weird that you'd choose to be so secretive about what other ethical interests you're equally involved in, especially on a board that's totally anonymous in the first place. And I wouldn't call it a "personal attack" that I suggested there's something a litttle fishy about someone with a law degree confusing so many basic issues in an argument and actually claiming "first amendment" privileges in response to a question about why you're so vocal about a specific moral concern.

I soooooo should have read this thread before the one I just posted 15 mins ago. Good stuff here.

Do not trust Turnitin when they say they will not keep a copy of your paper. They are part of the Big Tech companiesthat are running out of control They have developed various systems that allow them to use loopholes when it comes to data storage. Busting them is like putting your faith in a Google Privacy Browser. nothing can be further from the truth. It is always best never to plagiarism check your work, unless you paid someone to write it for you. In which case, you have no choice but to check it for plagiarism problems

If you know that your teacher uses Turnitin as a plagiarism checker, it would be best to not use the same system for your own plagiarism checker needs. Wether you submit it to the repository or not, you cannot be certain about the deletion timeline. The paper may still be in the system when your teacher uses it. It is always better to not have any possible traces of your work because of the unknown factors. There are several other plagiarism checkers that you can use for this purpose. Use an alternate checker just to play safe. Regardless of which program you choose to use, it should function in a similar manner to turnitin