Not really true EW. The legitimate ones do not really consider nationality and have no qualms about hiring non-Western writers, as long as they are linguistically and academically qualified.

Linguistic qualification does not mean being able to write in grammatically correct English but being able to write as a native. This ability is predicated on an understanding of the nuances of the language (among other things) and not simlply on knowledge of spelling, verbs and vocabulary. I have come across many linguistically qualified foreign writers, as well as a whole bunch of others who have somehow deluded themselves into believing that they can write at a primary school level, let alone professionally.

As for academic qualifications, they are not limited to the possession of an undergraduate, graduate or post-graduate certificate. An academic writer must have graduated from a reputable institution and needs to be both cultured and well-read. An academic writer must know the basics of good research and how to go about collecting CREDIBLE SOURCES. Have you any idea how many (native and ESL) `professional' writers simply eschew the imperatives of basing their study on ACADEMIC JOURNALS and have the temerity to rely on WIKIPEDIA?

Most legitimate companies will hire foreign writers if they have the academic and linguistic skills/qualifications, explained.


We are certainly not in the same boat and only fraudsters and scammers would ever consider joining forces with the Ukranian gangsters. Our objectives, principles and business ethics are diametrically opposed to theirs. Their failure can only have a positive effect upon the industry and will not impact upon the legits in any way.

Peace - when you say "we," should I interpret that to mean that you are a writer? That you write PROFESSIONALLY IN ENGLISH? If that's the case ... well, I really have no comment ...

I cannot imagine anyone disputing that!

Good one :) You really hit the nail on the head. One doesn't have to be a native speaker to take up writing in English as a profession but THEIR ENGLISH MUST BE AS GOOD AS A NATIVE'S.

With reference to the Ukranian gangsters - not only don't they care, they would not know quality if it hit them in the face. Essay site owners such as Yuri and Alexey can barely write a sensible sentence and their admin staff are nothing other than a disaster. How can people who barely speak English and are incapable of understanding the simplest of sentences judge quality?

Take a look at this article published in Education Week (2/27/08, vol. 27). You all (of course) are aware of the staunch position which Barclay (Academic Answers) has adopted against plagiarism ... well, apparently, he decided to make news by reporting a coach who was buying essays for his athletes through ESSAYBAY (he did get a lot of oublicity out of that one). I, for one, think its high-time UkEssays picks a side: is he pro or anti-plagiarism?!

Essay Producer Warns of Plagiarism By Athletes
Section: Sports
Online bidding - for concert tickets, used furniture, rare books - is everywhere on the Internet these days. Another item subject to Web-based auctions: school essays.

The possible use of those essays by high school sports coaches seeking to help top athletes was brought to light recently by an unusual source: a British-based company that arranges sales of those written works.

EssayBay, an online service run by Academic Answers Ltd., based in Letchworth, England, allows customers to request essays on various topics - and have writers bid to provide them, and suggest a fee.

This month, EssayBay issued a press release saying it had received a request from a U.S. private high school coach for seven essays on the same topic, written in different styles. The company said the coach - whom it would not identify - later explained that he was attempting to boost the college résumés of a few stellar athletes. EssayBay also said a recent client survey showed that more than 45 percent of its customers said they were using the service to raise academic scores to "finalize sports scholarships," often with coaches' consent.

John M., the founder and chief executive officer of Turnitin, an Oakland, Calif.-based anti-plagiarism service, said it was "disingenuous" for services such as EssayBay to alert the public to possible academic fraud, when they in fact make it easier.

He believes his service, which enables teachers and others to check for plagiarism, can help "students to understand they're wasting their money" on such sites.

Jed, a spokesman for Academic Answers, said writers who sell their work through EssayBay can require that they be credited. Many of the essays of EssayBay and Academic Answers - services that have stirred controversy in the United Kingdom because of their work - are used as "study guides and model answers," Jed added, but that depends on the buyer-seller agreement.

Even so, company officials also felt it important that the use of papers by coaches "be brought to light," he added.

It's good to be back!

Well EW, I wish he creates a similar blog for my nemsis - ALEXEY or ALEX WESSON, as he is so fond of calling himself. You know what I think? He should have found himself an Eliza Doolittle Professor Higgens to stamp out his E.European accent before Americanising his name :)

Seems that the "change in ownership" is just a futile yuriy-boy attempt to extricate himself from the trouble brewing all around him.

Unbelievable and unacceptable criminal behaviour!


Good for you Freelancer!

Seriously ... call Essaybay Admin at once and report the writer ... they have a duty towards you, the customer (just as they had a duty to check up on their writers). Also, do not show that SOB that you are in the least bit fazed by his/her behaviour. Write back to him/call him and do as Freelancer suggested - make it very clear that you will report him/her to the police and you must mean it. The police will not drag your university into this ...

But Serene ... this is not acceptable! Even if they don't want to lodge a complaint, the authorities should be tipped and they will take it from there. This isn't a jungle ... Look, I thought academia were scum but this is a whole new level of scum! Even if I (for the sake of argument) accept what he says about the work of the writers in question ... the fact is that he hired them on that basis and hence, is required to pay them. He says that they claimed to have certain certificates but he found that to be untrue - it was his responsibility to check it out prior to assigning them work! He cannot, after assigning them work (thereby entering into a contract for service) backtrack on the issue of payment by referencing their (poor) work and (lack of) certificates - it is not legal. THERE IS NO EXCUSE.

Serene, I just accessed and read through the thread where Pete had multiple tantrums. He's absolute insane; only a raving lunatic would ever rant and publicly succumb to epileptic fits the way he did. I have never come across anything even remotely comparable to that sub-human, mentally deranged creature. What does he do about students who don't pay (charge back or whatever)? Order one of his equally loony goonies to kill them? Serene - it really isn't right that none lodge a complaint against him. UK employee and consumer protection laws are extremely stringent. Report him for harassment! This guy needs a straitjacket!

This is one of the most unethical things I have ever heard of! Basically they are thieves and they respond to the rightful demand for wages through blackmail! Who is the owner?

Do they really do that?! You should report them ... this is nothing other than disgusting blackmail!

Yes but I bet you she's going to come here and start attacking me

I got to the bottom of that one and not all were clients. The `insider' responsible is now an outsider ...


They were terribly funny :)

EW - I thought you were my friend :) What do I think? I believe that we will come under heavy attack from many.


On the issues which I have restated in the previous post, yes ...


Where do I find a few minutes here and there? The `long' posts you refer to take about 5 minutes? So, I guess I must have plenty of free time on my hands ... (this post took under 30 seconds)

When it is operational, then you can all give your opinion and should the company ever scam anyone, then you all have a right to call me out. And, as it operates under UK law, it is really within the reach of the courts. Furthermore, any who want to clarify anything about the company can easily PM me and should I not be 100% transparent or should I say anything which does not hold up to any independant investigation - pls call me out.

And, EW ... why are you changing the subject? I understand that any who agree with anything WB says are automatically labelled ENEMY but ... so be it

Well ... is my representation of her position accurate or not?

And pls let me be very clear about MY position:
1) What distinguishes one writer from the other is the ability to write, not whether one is a native speaker or not.
2) What distinguishes one academic writer from another is ACADEMIC qualifications, not nationality.
3) What distinguishes a legit company from an illegitimate one is
a) fair and timely compensation to writers
b) accurate representation of their identity to both writers and customers
c) ensuring that writers hired are qualified, both linguistically and academically
d) guaranteeing customers that writers are linguistically qualified and NOT claiming that "all our writers are American and British" native speakers
e) guaranteeing customers that writers are academically qualified and NOT claiming that "all our writers hold, at least, a master's degree"
The list goes on forever but, in brief, it is a question of honesty.

How many companies hire writers WITHOUT even checking whether they are qualified or not? That is unfair to the customers who end up with shoddy work and unfair to the writers who are asked to perform a job which they cannot do and, ultimately, suffer fines, etc.

What is so wrong about the demand for a modicum of honesty?

I want to ask you a question - how many companies out there REGULARLY scam writers and customers? Many of the writers and customers have complained about this exact thing on the forum and yet, when some consistently speak out against the issue, they suddenly become anti-ESL and racists.

If QUALIFIED WRITERS, irrespective of nationality, are happy being scammed and being paid peanuts, so be it ... If QUALIFIED ESL writers are content being grouped alongside the unqualified ones, that is your choice ... However, when a person denounces the practice, don't denounce him/her for speaking up ...

While the loyalty which some exhibit towards the Ukranian gangsters is commendable, you all know that they are scammers. And what you should all know is that they are going to have to shape up and adhere to the laws which govern the sale of services or they are going to have to SHIP OUT. Some of you are skeptical about it and live under the assumption that they are beyond the reach of the law - they are not. In fact, they have placed themselves squarely within reach through incorporation in both the UK and the US.

Call me an advocate if you wish, as I certainly do not deny my advocacy of the position WB has adopted towards the issues raised here.

Not true learner :) A great many ESL writers are EXCELLENT ... not just good but EXCELLENT. As for a writer's rates, that should only be determined on the basis of qualifications - nationality does not enter into the equation at all. As I said before, I have come across numerous so-called writers whose native language is English ... their writing is not worth a penny. At the same time have dealt with many native writers whose writing is nothing less than superb. The same applies to ESL writers. What I am trying to say here is that nationality does not matter - what matters is whether a person is qualified to write professionally or not. You have to admit that many of the so-called professional writers can't write if their lives depended on it IRRESPECTIVE OF NATIONALITY. So, all I am saying here is that any who dare ask a fee for their writing should have the requisite academic and linguistic qualifications.

Do you think it right that companies proclaim that all of their writers are native speakers with, at the very least, an MA when, in actual fact, they are ESL writers with none of the academic qualifications these companies have promised? By the same token, wouldn't a qualified ESL writer feel demeaned by their employers' request that they pose as American/British? Qualified ESL writers (and I am not talking about wages here) arereally selling themselves short by agreeing to all this play-acting. Your qualifications are really all that matter.

I want to ask you a question ... read over your posts and those of EW and compare them to someone like Chacha. Are you guys in the same boat? Is Chacha as qualified as either of you? Compare the use of language ... and know this: when totally unqualified ESL writers enter the industry they negatively reflect upon the qualified ones and prejudice customers against using the service of QUALIFIED ESL writers. They certainly do not reflect upon native speakers. Do you see what I mean?

While I am speaking here for myself, I believe that WB would agree. She has repeatedly stated that:
1) she has nothing against qualified ESL speakers
2) she is opposed to unqualified individuals, irrespective of nationality, touting their services as writers
3) she is opposed to fraudulent claims such as ALL OUR WRITERS ARE NATIVE SPEAKERS and ALL OUR WRITERS HOLD, AT LEAST, AN MA.

Presisely! Deception is unequivocally immoral, as is deliberately depriving customers of the right to choose (by not giving them the correct info). From the legal perspective, it is outright consumer fraud.

And should we just use a tiny bit of logic here, we'll find that any who so blatantly lie about who they are and their writers' qualifications do not have the best intentions in the world. If the Ukranians (and all other scammers) were remotely serious about fulfiling their contractual obligations towards their customers, they would not have to conceal their identities. They are hiding behind false personas because they believe that doing so will protect them from legal charges by making it more difficult to tie them to the countless charges of consumer fraud they are bound to face one day (soon, I hope).

Ok ... that's one step forward. You admit that WB is credible and that her evidence stands up ... Therefore, you recognise that the woman has something worthwhile to say. It is precisely because of this that I don't understand why you are trying to goad her. Leave out the `fun' part ... you are infinitely more intelligent than that. So why are you trying to goad and discredit a person whose evidence is solid? By doing so, you really are playing into the hands of the scammers, most of whom would give an arm and a leg to shut her up.


Some ESL writers are exceptionally talented ... flawless English, a real flair for words, etc. I, personally, do take on ESL writers and have no qualms about doing so. I do not, however, ask that they degrade themselves by posing as American or British and I do not tell my customers that all are American and British. I guarantee flawless language skills, irrespective of nationality.

What I object to is (regardless of nationality) the entrance of poorly-educated, linguistically challenged individuals into the industry. They give both the industry and the real writers a bad name. Does it even stand to reason that someone like Chacha proclaim himself a professional writer and demand payment for his WRITTEN work? I would similarly object to a poorly educated, linguistically limited English person working as a writer - and, believe me, there are many of those. So, as far as I am concerned (and I am sure WB would agree because she has emphasised this point on multiple occasions), the debate is not over nationality but over academic and linguistic qualifications.

The poor sod probably didn't count on your calling him out! :)


Some of the very best researcher/writers I have come across are Indian. Extremely hardworking, very thorough and awfully responsible.

As WB has repeatedly stated, the problem is not ESL writers at all - the problem is that some who must be forcibly disallowed from writing in English (whether ESL or not) because every sentence they compose comes across as a murderous onslaught upon the language, are touting their skills as "professional writers." Grand ol' Uncle Fool is one of them. Not only shouldn't he ever be writing in English (let alone on a professional level) but he has compounded his crime by launching his own essay writing website/company!


Hear, hear!

Uncle Fool, indicted on several counts of idiocy, fraud and linguistic murder, to learner:


Who has learner cheated, exactly? He is a self-identified ESL professional academic writer. Learner didn't need to tell anyone here that as his command of the language is excellent. Added to that, he comes across as a very well-educated, `call them as I see them,' kind of person. So, Uncle Fool, rethink your hysterial accusation.


Why would you ever doubt Uncle Fool, WB? He is obviously such a gifted writer that he must be on every site's mailing list. Which company wouldn't want to count Uncle Fool among their writers?!


Such mastery of the language! You must be so very proud of yourself, Bruchman.


Why not? I, for one, had thought him born, bred and educated in the UK - don't you get that impression from his mastery of the language?


Some do, actually. When writers don't come through, some site owners step in and get the work done thsemselves. Added to that, if the owner is not an academic writer her/himself, how in the hell is s/he supposed to check the work completed by writers? I worked with a couple of high-end, genuine, American sites whose owners did precisely that ...


If you understood English you would have known that the reference wasn't to me ... and, if you knew anything at all about the market which you have the guts to try and enter, you would have heard of oxbridgeessays, oxbridgewriters and oxbridgegraduates. As I told you before Brunchman, `no go.'

C(h)aC(h)a ... your latest homepage is just as bad as the previous ones:
For over 5 years now we have helped thousands of students like you fulfilling thier custom essay writing needs at an affordable cost. We proudly claims to be the low cost solution providers for your essay writing needs because we keep our administrative costs low. Over the period of years our commitment for offering you best custom essay writing services has never changed.This commitment has made Essaybrunch, a part of Academic Excellence Ltd, your true companion during your years of study.

Please check spelling and grammar. If your linguistic disability is an obstacle to your doing so, get one of your highly qualified, "committed to excellence," writers to help you out.

We offer you direct access to our writers so that you can contact them directly on their phone numbers.
You should not be using the same word (or a derivative) twice in a single sentence and, while at it, check prepositions - hell ... check the whole thing!

By not using services like Essaybrunch, you will only limit your chances to get the best grades because research has suggested that no writer can write every assignment in best manner therefore you will only limit your possibilities besides putting you at a risk of dealing with unknown individuals

Really! Check this part for idiocy, logic and, of course, language.

We are group of programmers, marketers, freelance writers as well as anthropologists offering a freelance essay writing services to our clients all over the world

Down on my knees and begging ... remove that part about anthropologists!

EW, what I said was the people would come if they found out who you really were and not if they found out your essaybay ID. I also said that I have never ever come across anybody who sells themselves as short as you do.

EW - I believe that your primary purpose on this forum is to goad WB and try to discredit her (something of a marketing technique for essaywriters). The only problem is that you cannot dscredit her and, to date, have not. The reason is not just that she talks about sites which we all know to be trash but because she publishes evidence ... she is credible.

If any of you recall, I personally clashed with WB twice. The first time was when discussing the *****/SNR case. The Westlaw case I'd accessed discussed the ruling against SNR - WB said it wasn't true and we clashed ... a couple of days ago, I stumbled across the New Jersey case and, guess what ... she was right. The ruling had been against *****. Love or hate WB but, at least admit that she is CREDIBLE.

At the end of the day, why is everybody so bothered by what she says? Chacha claimed that according to WB and others on this forum, ALL companies in the industry were scammers. Not true and that was never stated nor claimed. A great many are and isn't it the purpose of this forum to call them out/expose them?

Well ... they certainly should be taken to court on multiple counts of consumer fraud for ever allowing YOU to write for them!


Great - give me the address and I'll have someone check it out in the morning ... FYI - Oldham is in GREATER Manchester (Lanchashire), not Manchester proper (8 miles out).


I cannot believe I am actually going to say this but ... you're right learner. Even the Ukranians are better than C(h)aC(a) the dancing fool ...

Dancing C(h)aC(h)a has been knocked out!

Have you used correct English? Hmmm ... let me think ... Actually ... NO!

Learner - we'd better stop responding or we'll catch the virus which has so horribly infected the dancer's English ...

I will learner :)

check out the diner's blogspot. This is just for starters (couldn't get beyond it to the main course ... it was way too filling):

essaybrunch.blogspot is a new revolution in the custom essay writing industry. We are some of the best individuals with more than 5 years of industry related experience to offer you a unique and most cost effective solutions to all your essay writing needs.

We are also a social entrepreneurship- a concept pioneered by likes of Dr. Yunus- Noble Laureate and founder of Grameen Bank Bangladesh as well as internet's giant Ebay.

I know :) But you have to give the other forum members some credit to. So, how about a big thank you to WritersBeware, Exwriter, Learner and all who tried so hard to help you overcome your linguistic disability?

Deal! And I'll even throw some English lessons into the bargain.

Yes I do!!! I'll go order one from essaybrunch now ... mind you, if I get food poisoning, I WILL REPORT YOU TO THE AUTHORITIES!

Chacha! Just when I was thinking of auditioning as a singing cook you go and change that on me! Ok - I'll be the bigger person here and will sign up if you promise to dance the chacha as I fry up a couple of essays.

Get this (from the diner's site) "Our commitment towards you and this world is reflected from the fact that we have set our administrative fee at an extremely low level i.e. 25% of the writer`s bid amount." For those of you old enough to remember ... doesn't this remind you a bit of Live Aid's "We are the world ..."

Chacha - get down to correcting the English ... "is reflected from the fact"! Give us a break (or a KitKat)

:) You need to use simpler English (the dancing burger queen won't know what inundatedmeans).

Aren't you supposed to be over at your diner with your singing writers? Your starving customers want their fried essays


C(h)aC(h)a - you are not in any way affiliated with essaybrunch but a few minutes after I posted that spelling correction up there, the cooks down at the diner corrected it?!

Ok - while you're at it, correct this "EXPERIENCE LOW PRICES EVERY DAY AS ESSAYBRUNCH." And don't capitalize as it comes across as shouting ...

Chacha - I see that we no longer have to "conform" our email addresses when singing up. I am beginning to feel just a bit exploited here ... giving away all this advise for free! The least you can do is give me a cut!

So, you only learnt to write 5 years ago? It shows ... thank you for finally being honest

No go :)

I will concede to that ... but only because
1) the site is 10 minutes old
2) any who visit it and read the webcopy will run screaming in the opposite direction

Chacha ... while you have emphasised the importance of creativity in some of your posts, please do not try to be "creative" with the English language. What's this "crooked by"? Or did you mean "cooked by" ...

Only if s/he stops pigging out on fried essays ...

No, none have heard of them except you ...


And my "serious" to you is learn English before having the temerity to demand payment for your written work.

I don't believe essaybay will worry too much about a diner, run by a chacha-dancing queen, which employs singing writers ...

Very very interesting! Will read up on that case now