You can continue arguing your pointless point. If you have nothing to contribute to the topic, shoo.

@ topic progress

So far, everyone agrees that such evaluations are at least partly valid. Allow me to now pose a second question. To what degree do you think should university professors in subjects other than English (Chemistry, Calculus, History, etc.) have mastery over the English language (in the context of tertiary level institutions that have English as the language of instruction)? Should the mastery only be at the level of an average university graduate or should it be higher, such as the level of a graduate who majored/minored in English?

Shows how desperate you are. You made another boo-boo and are now trying to sidetrack the matter using pathetic technicalities. I didn't "quote" you? Really? That's your comeback? C'mon... ^____^


Did the above quote need to be in your most recent post for me to say this?


Heck no.

If you're going to argue otherwise, I'll make another thread where you can do so all you want. Stop muddling this one.

Hey, way to TRY to make other people believe that the response was irrelevant. ^_^


ROFLMAO! Yet who was demanding that I post the evaluation of my client's paper in the original argument from which this topic developed? Oh right... you. See how that backfires? Knowing how stupid you are, bet you don't.

Hey there, paranoia incarnate. ^__^ You have no idea how hilarious your little conspiracy theories are, if they can even be called that. I already told you that I have no plans of posting the grades that my clients got from my work. I'm not going to place their well-being on the line just to humiliate you. I humiliate you plenty enough times without their help so don't even try to flatter yourself.

Like I said, if legitimate reasons prevent you from answering the question on this thread, then nobody is forcing you to answer. However if you're not going to contribute anything to the discussion, then I think it's only proper netiquette that you stop posting on this thread. Same thing goes for you, Fracturegang.

@topic
So far, everyone agrees that such evaluations are at least partly valid. Allow me to now pose a second question. To what degree do you think should university professors in subjects other than English (Chemistry, Calculus, History, etc.) have mastery over the English language (in the context of tertiary level institutions that have English as the language of instruction)? Should the mastery only be at the level of an average university graduate or should it be higher, such as the level of a graduate who majored/minored in English?

So would that be a "no"? :p

It's not. It's an argument taken from another thread in which WB insulted my direct client, saying that he/she was not a qualified judge of academic writing. So I asked her if my client's professors would be. You can read the rest from the link I provided on the first post if you're interested.

As far as that old debate is concerned, I stand by my argument that writers in this cloak and dagger industry have as much right to hide their identity as their clients. However in response to what you shared, I also tell my clients whenever they ask me if I live in the states that I don't. Of course, I don't tell them where I live. None of my clients ever had a problem with that.

To recap the answers to the original thread question:

FreelanceWriter: British-yes, American-no.
jwolfe2: Yes?
My answer: Yes. This doesn't mean that there aren't any unfair evaluations and poor evaluators (Edit: or for that matter, poor evaluations and unfair evaluators :p). There are, but my position is that a writer must always strive to please who he/she is writing for if the written work is to be graded, not the other way around. ^_^

I still find it mildly funny every time you try to pass off s-i* as a legitimate answer to an argument. Guess I get a bonus kick in your ass tonight. This has to be the last one for now though, I still got a 3000-word paper to finish. Here goes...

Your response is irrelevant. When are you going to get it through that senseless mush you call a brain that having the uncanny ability to nitpick grammar does not give you the power to say who's a competent writer and who isn't. Everyone may agree that the errors you pointed out in rusty's posts were indeed errors (not.. typos? LOL!!!), but that does not mean that anyone would agree to your conclusion that rusty is an incompetent writer.

Capiche? ^_^ Goodnight everyone.

On kicking your a**? Hmm.. has anyone except yourself agreed with you? Other competent writers on this message board may agree with you on many things regarding this industry, but when it comes to your personal gripe with me, they've always preferred not to get involved. For example, none of them called me a criminal when you did despite you hollering it over and over again hoping for them to take a cue. Hey you know what, I DARE YOU to ask them who made a fool of who in each of the issues enumerated here. ^__^ Just don't do it on this thread.

Btw, I think you'd have a hard time convincing anyone that rusty is an incompetent writer. Even the competent writers on this message board who've had squabbles with him haven't gone that far simply since it's obviously not true.

To potential clients reading the above statement: I am not advertising rusty's services. If you're choosing between him or me, I'm still the better choice. Sorry, rusty. :P

Got nothing better to say, huh? Well, better luck next time... not. :)

You do that. I was minding my own business in that other thread (which btw, I already linked at the beginning of this thread even before you did) when you came in and totally misconstrued an honest attempt at reaching essaybay admin with your psychotic ramblings about advertising. That's hardly what can be called "exposing fraudulent sites and companies," especially since Essaybay is a legitimate site. Then when you get your a** kicked multiple times again, you come running here to insinuate that you were humoring me?

I'm not asking you to answer the question anymore. I won't even call you chickens-i* for not answering. Let's just say that there are legitimate reasons that prevent you from giving a definite answer to the question, Ok? Just don't muddle this thread for everyone else who wants to discuss the topic.


Ask it in your own thread. Wait, here.. I made one for you.

Selective blindness? :p You're the absolute idiot, and the proof is all here for everyone to see.

Thanks. So British-yes, American-no.

See, the question really isn't so hard to answer if one has nothing riding on it. ^____^

I provided the email that I use to communicate with my clients. That was what you demanded so shut your trap. ^_^


Have EB email me to say it's alright, dufus.


Blah blah blah.... more cowardice. You just can't bring yourself to answering a simple question because you're too afraid of what's going to happen next if you did. Don't worry, I'm not going to post copies of the evaluations that my direct clients send me after their papers had been graded by their professors. Don't be AFRAID. ^_____^

Did I say that I was going to give you the evaluation? No. Would I be stupid enough to actually do that and expose my client? Heck no. Did my question have anything to do with me needing to give you the evaluation? No. It's a simple question that you're just too afraid to answer.

Hey, I'll even make the question easier to answer.

Do you think that the ratings and comments given by university professors in reputable American/British higher education institutions on their students' research papers/essays/theses/dissertations are valid evaluations of academic writing? ^__^


I think you deserve that term much more than I do, you chronic loser. I called YOUR challenge, I gave you the email that I communicated with my client through. That WAS your challenge when you called me a coward for blocking it out the first time (I blocked it out in keeping with the rules of the forum that you so often profess your undying love and devotion to). You can't even answer a simple yes/no question. :P

Oh.... You wanna go through the "Don't buy from ********* because they will not sell you papers that you can turn in as your own and they have a legal obligation to turn you in if they are asked to" issue again?


Wow.. why can't you just ANSWER the question? I wonder... ^___^

Coward.


Why should I post my eb email? That's just as bad as posting my username.


Direct clients have and can reach me at @yahoo

and remember:



Riiiiiiight...

I repeat:


^_^


Cool excuse. So is that a "no"? :p C'mon.. I can reveal my email right now. This just shows how flimsy your accusation of cowardice is. :p

Btw, you didn't answer again:


But would you say that his/her university professors are? ^____^

I think it's pretty clear who the coward is between the two of us. :p

But would you say that his/her university professors are? ^____^

By the way, you didn't answer the question:



Riiight... I have "remedial skills" because I use quotation marks according to the context of the sentence. Keep dreaming. As I've said before, no amount of nitpicking can take away the fact that I have provided high quality written work to literally thousands of clients.

Are you asking me to post my email address for other potential clients to see? ^__^ I would gladly do so as long as the mods would consider it your offense and not mine. :p


Wow... you really can't hack it that a person who definitely isn't a writer called you "truly pathetic", can you?


When he/she called you truly pathetic and not worth my time, I REALLY don't think he/she was judging you based on your grammar. LMAO!!!

WritersBeware = Simply lost.

Excerpt from an email conversation with a direct client yesterday (Read from the bottom up):

From: client <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >
Subject: Re: Urgent: Comments and final review are here!
To: me <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >
Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 1:06 AM

sure, go for it hehe.

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:58 AM, me <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > wrote:
Haha.. it's a pastime. ^__^ I didn't see the comments in the conclusion. I'll attend to this now. Shouldn't take long. Is it alright if i posted your comment on the board? I won't mention who you are or anything. i'm sure it'll tick her off all the more. :D

From: client <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >
Subject: Re: Urgent: Comments and final review are here!
To: me <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >
Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 11:16 PM
And lol, ditch the duels with WB, he is truly pathetic and not worth wasting your precious time on.

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:46 PM, client <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > wrote:
and take your time with this, if you want submit it tomorrow or the day after then its fine.

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:42 PM, client <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > wrote:
Thank you for everything xxxxxx, you truly did great. (edited out: requests related to the paper) Thanks once again!

O.o A typo is not an error... because when WB refers to errors, she doesn't mean typos. WB doesn't commit errors... she commits typos... which aren't errors. WB doesn't check her posts for errors, she reads them and if she sees an "obvious" typo, she corrects it, and THAT'S NOT checking posts for errors.

You've GOT to be the biggest joke of the century. ^___^



See in the world of academic research which you are so obviously alien to, we don't believe anything until it's peer-reviewed, published, and corroborated by multiple parallel studies and meta-analyses. ^____^ Still wanna play?



It's still a contradiction, unless you are actually claiming that the "countless (qualified) foreign, ESL writers" who exist are occupied with much more glamorous writing careers than the native writers who are left with no other options but to write homework for students? See how that bites you back in the a**? Considering how stupid you are, I bet not. :p

What does that even mean? o.O


Sez who? Oh.. you? Did you make a valid statistical study on the preferences of American/British students when selecting writers to do their homework for them? Oh wait, I forgot. You're a general statistics kind of gal. ^____^


Neither do you. ^___^


Anyone wanna say it? s-e-l-f-c-o-n-t-r-a-d-i-c-t-i-o-n. Beautiful and ugly at the same time. Yukyukyukyuk!!!!



was edited to:


LOL!!!!


Way to go, you four-time, moron medal awardee. ^___^

Gee.. what are those traits again? Oh yeah.. the ability to provide excellent quality writing that gets clients the results they want.

Hey moron, it also shows how much of a bigot you are when you actually try to pass off being geographically located in the US/UK and being highly educated in the US/UK as critical/mandatory traits of an academic writer.


Anyone back you up yet? No? I thought so. ^_______^

Wow, how dramatic. So if clients are supposed to have full disclosure, should writers give out their real names and social security numbers to clients as well if asked? Get real or get bent, you pathetic, intellectually deficient sack of ****. ^___^

NOBODY on this message board will back you up on that one, idiot. ^__^

If you think they're pointless, then you won't mind me including links to them in my posts from this point forward. Gotta go for now but don't worry, I'll be back. ^___^

Oh please, the proof is all here for everyone to see. Don't worry. From now on, I'll make sure to compile succeeding accounts of your deficiencies as they occur. I encourage other posters to make verifiable contributions to this list. ^___^

So you're a mind reader now? ^__^Evidence of your incompetence cannot lie.

Still think so? ^________^

Hey sure. I'm almost certain that essaybay management is aware of who I am. If essaybay sends me an email that my account will not at all penalized if I divulged my identity on this message board, I will post my username.


Riiiight... I average $30/250 words when including all of my direct transactions which do reach over $100/250 words (you'd be surprised how much people would be willing to pay when they know that they'll get their money's worth). At essaybay, my average is around $18/250 words. However even if I post my withdrawal list from essaybay, it won't show you the ppp. If I showed individual order pages to prove it, it wouldn't take a genius to find out who I am even if I blot out other details because the price would identify me enough. In fact a mathematically sharp individual would be able to determine who the writer is just from the recent list of withdrawals.

Care to bet on that? ^___^


Nice try. Now that's something that no reasonable person would believe. ^__^


Haha! Riiiiiiiight.... averaging about $30 per 250-word page net is peanuts. Dream on, loser. :p

Then you weren't rebutting. You were ignoring the argument and nitpicking on an irrelevant correction that does not affect the validity of the argument at all. Can't you get that through your head? I guess you're even more hopeless than I realized. :)


Oh that would be nice. Why don't I and get my account suspended? :) I've said this before. If potential clients who view this message board knew who I was, I'd most likely get to boost the number of direct clients that I have at least tenfold. However, I certainly do not reveal my essaybay identity to any potential client.


Is there any other meaning and context to the proven facts that
1.) you cannot count
2.) you do not understand basic statistical principles taught in high school
3.) you have an otherworldly notion of what a payroll is
4.) you failed time and time again to grasp the concept of a C2C business model; and
5.) you don't even know what a rebuttal is?

Do enlighten us. ^____^

Sadly, no amount of dictionary-quoting can save you. I already pointed out that your "rebuttal" does nothing to refute my contention that you are not just a noble philanthropist etc. etc. but someone who does have vested interests in the term paper mill industry. You can point out how I shouldn't have used "American" all you want. It doesn't put the validity of my argument into question and so cannot be considered a rebuttal.

Thus far we have established that WritersBeware is ignorant of:

Statistics

Arithmetic

Business and Finance

Logical Argumentation

I wonder what other high school and grade school level deficiencies we will uncover about this character in the future. ^_______^

The above post still highlights your gross inability to understand what a rebuttal is. A rebuttal isn't just something wrong about a statement, it has to be relevant to the point that the statement is making. Sorry, I'd love to give you a full seminar on the fine points of formal debate but I gotta finish some orders due today.

On a positive note, Essaybay has been responding well to my messages since Monday so I guess I won't be needing this thread for now. Of course, other people may still use this thread or create their own if they're not getting the same experience I am.

^__________^

Let's see... you said:


To which I responded:


To which you "rebutted"


Did your "rebuttal" respond to my accusation that you do write for students/are connected with particular essay companies? No. Does your "rebuttal" prove that you do not write for students? No. The problem that you pointed out about my statement can be simply corrected by changing "American" to "particular". Do you still suck? Hell, yeah. ^_^ This shows that you don't even know the meaning of the word "rebuttal" which severely limits the areas that you can competently write about . ^______^

Oh yeah, that too. ^_^


I'm sure you'd love people to believe that. ^____^


That's because aside from checking spelling and grammar, you have none. :p


'Sez you. My grammar has always been considered outstanding by both my clients and their raters. No amount of nitpicking is going to change that. :p


Sure you don't. You're just a noble philantrophist out to make sure that students who wish to
get their homework done by other people do so using American services. Ever asked yourself if anybody actually buys that crap?

Oh brother, here we go again. Unlike you, I don't go through the trouble of meticulously checking the spelling and grammar of my posts. Nevertheless, I do write better than you. My prose is much more engaging and creative. On top of that, we have proven several times how I run rings around you in various subject areas that you can only dream of writing about.

Dream on. I write at least just as well as they do and definitely better than you do. :)


Excuses, excuses. You think adding percentages to your statement would make the contradiction go away? Sorry, it won't. :)


You can fantasize about your silly conspiracy theory all you want. Amuse us with your fretfulness. ^___^

@Liam
Still no response from eb admin. We were promised a 48-hour response time. It's been 60 hours since I sent my messages and my deadline is in 48 (or is it 72) hours.

...and the conspiracy just keeps getting deeper and deeper. >.< I don't need to say that I work for eb to get direct clients. I've been getting direct clients from this message board just by posting. Actually, I've found that humiliating you was a really good come on to several of the direct clients that I've been able to get through the years.

Plus your stand is self-contradictory. On one hand you believe that I am genuinely airing out my needs as a client (writer) of essaybay with all that talk about how selfish I am and how eb has better things to do than attend to my concerns, on the other you think it's all just a big publicity stunt (LMAO!) for me to get more people to register in the site... and then on the other (metaphorical third hand) you say that I'm out to cut the middle man (ROFLMAO!).

You can pull your hair out all you want. This thread is here for a reason and that reason is to get eb's people to act on responding not just to my emails but to the emails of all their clients. As evident from messages posted by other eb clients, I'm not the only person who's not getting any responses. They promised a 48-hour response time but were not able to provide even that.


Great soliloquy. ^_________^

You suck:


Publicity? You call having a writer posting a thread to complain about a site suddenly going off-line without so much as a warning to writers who have multiple current projects PUBLICITY? You're trying to pass off a discussion about how slow responses from the temporary email-based ticketing system are going, PUBLICITY? LOL!!! Hey, maybe next time you can also ask students not to post about getting scammed by companies anymore.. perhaps those companies are just faking the scam reports to get some publicity for themselves as well. Talk about the proverbial snake oil salesman. Sheessh...

Pathetic and hopeless.

The funny thing is, the above question WAS THE ONLY ANSWER you gave prior to my message telling you that you never answered any pertinent questions I posed, and my perfectly reasonable response to your response was left completely unanswered. Nice try but sorry, no cigar. :)


Wow, you're really loony. o.O I already said that I don't even know if the site would actually go back online. Who knows what actually happened? For all we know, somebody may have hacked through the site and messed up their database. Furthermore, who knows WHEN this problem would be solved?! How nicely EB solves problems?! How nicely is it solving problems at the moment? They're not even sticking to their promise to make sure all concerns are answered within 48 hours. I still can't get in touch with my clients and my deadlines to them are approaching. THAT is how nicely this problem is being resolved. You're really one paranoid piece of s-i* who thinks that everything is a sham because that's precisely WHAT YOU ARE. ^___^


Ha! I came back and you can't get over the fact that despite my being gone for so long, I can still kick your a** and there's still nothing you can do about it. Your opinion carries crap. You want new posters to believe that you actually are this unreal philanthropist in this shady industry but posts from people like me expose you thoroughly for the scam artist you are.


Thank you for FINALLY answering. Now allow me to point out that since you AREN'T a moderator and it is the moderators' sole discretion to determine what is a publicity stunt and what is not, you are completely out of line in continuing to force your wild imaginings on us in this thread. The mods don't think that we are promoting essaybay. We are not promoting essaybay. We are disgruntled clients trying to get them to handle this situation better. If you're going to keep on making baseless, fairytale accusations, then you are just showing the people here how afraid you are of essaybay. ^___^

To Liam and the others:

Once again, is there any update as to when this matter will be resolved? Also, why isn't anyone responding to our messages sent to the corresponding emails that you assigned? Given this emergency, I don't think it is too much for us clients (buyers and writers) to ask for someone to be available to answer emails within 12 hours.