Oh please, there are multiple versions of that same court case written all over the internet. Plus, were the freelance writers of ***** (are they an essay mill in the first place) pursued by the law? Heck no. What's your point? :p Oh wait, once again you help prove mine.

Not at all. I'm saying that it's silly for you to try to counter my argument when your actions actually show that you agree with me. And hey let's not lose count (why do you keep forgetting things?), within the past week you criticized all the writers who have come to this message board compalining about getting fined/fired by ew. This is contrary to your feeble rebuttal that you remember doing so only once in your lifetime. :p I'm sure that if I put some more effort in to find the threads of other posters in previous months who have come here compalining about getting fined/fired by ew I'd see you right there criticizing them but hey, why bother? The incidents with yoge and that other guy prove just about the same thing.

Hey but that's the thing. It's her opinion on the matter that we're asking about. As far as her legal views are concerned:



How did WB say it... BINGO! ^___^

Fair enough but like I said:

The bottom line is until courts actually order essaywriters.net to cease its operations, working for them is not a friggin' crime. :) Opportunistic jackals will continue to use legalistic bull to try to scare clients away from their competitors. This strategy will continue to fail since customers really only care about two things in what they buy: quality and price.

Prof: Can you explain where you got this article that you cited in your paper?
Student: Oh, I got it from an essay mill.
Prof: I see. So you had them do the exact same assignment that I had you do and then you cited some of the work they did?

Student: Yeah.
Prof: You used the same sources it did?
Student: Yup, I added one or two more though... for good measure.
Prof: Nice.. nice... and you quoted the same stuff it quoted from the sources?
Student: Not all of them, I paraphrased the others.
Prof: Oh, good. Can I see the source?
Student: Here you go.
Prof: The work you submitted seems to be just an entirely paraphrased version of this source.
Student: Well, yeah... it's a model.
Prof: Oh, ok. *stamps F on student's paper* Nice model.

Fin.

Wow.. you really are thick when it comes to logical argumentation. >.<

I said:

I did however claim that the people who come here crying over getting booted/fined by ew usually deserved it.

Then you asked:


To which I responded:


and then you tried to rebut by stating that:


Does everything make sense now, or do I have to explain how I humiliated you all over again? :)

Blogs, blogs, oh and guess what? MORE BLOGS. :) What's worse is that the blogs just come from one person who once (if I'm not mistaken) was just a disgruntled writer.

The bottom line is until courts actually order essaywriters.net to cease its operations, working for them is not a friggin' crime. :)

Hey WB, nothing to say about this? ^_^

Writer 5231. (2009). OMG this is so friggin' crazy. Essay Mill.

Thank you very much.


Well said, I agree entirely. However, let's let the courts be the judge as what is and isn't illegal activity by essay mill companies and let's not use allegations as propaganda to sway clients and insult writers (I'm not referring to you OR, but I bet you know who I mean).

Yeah yeah, like allegations of holding fake fire drills, having fake addresses, etc. etc. let's put those in the mix too.

Is that really your stance OR? Am I a criminal for working for essaywriters.net when I know that there are several allegations against it? Just answer the question. Am I a criminal or not?

LOL! You must have a very poor memory then. :D Why don't you share with us what you think about yogeshmittal's English writing skills again? :) Here's a sample from your previous posts.


Who's yogeshmittal? :P Haha.. the thread starter that rusty said you scared away. Where in this forum did you criticize his English writing skills after he complained about getting fined by ew? On the first page of this very thread! :D

I 've stated no such thing. I did say that as far as the essay mill industry goes, offshore writers are highly limited to working for offshore companies. Plus, writing homework for students isn't exactly what I'd call making a decent living.


Is that really your stance OR? Am I a criminal for working for essaywriters.net when I know that there are allegations that it is misrepresenting me to its clients? Just answer the question, am I a criminal or not? I'm sorry if I may seem pissed but once again, your being lukewarm over issues where you should be defending competent ESL writers is getting to me.

ROFLMAO! How many times have you criticized the writing abilities of those who came here claiming to have been fired/fined by essaywriters.net? :p You're actually all the proof I need.


Like I said, I'm sorry if my reaction towards your hypocrisy offended you in any way. I really do not have any interest in exchanging subtle insults with you (really) and hope that you can understand that I just had to say what I had to say. ^_^


Darn.. there goes your hypocrisy again. >.< But hey, I'm fine with it now. Still, are the values that you are talking about the same ones that made you say that perhaps us homework writers should think about establishing a union? ^_^


That's the thing. Based on what you've revealed so far, it seems that the worst things that ew's done to you were delay your payments and not believe your story about your child. Honestly, is this it? You say they still owe you money. Do you mean payments that have yet to be paid but are scheduled for payment?

So this means that you are not categorically stating that it is wrong for ESL writers to continue working for allegedly frauduent sites even after realizing the existing accusations against their employers, right?


I am actually holding my ground that it is not wrong (and certainly not criminal) for a writer to continue working for a company even if that writer knows that the company is making some false advertisement regarding him or her as a writer. Do you agree with me or are you against me on this one, OR? I advise you to think deeply about this before responding. ^_^


Another lie from this forum's most grammatically correct liar. Go back to sucking on that egg.

Errr.. aren't you a writer? o.O

Hey so let me get this straight. Were you paid every dollar that you were owed? So by "screwed" what precisely are you complaining about?

Nope, I don't, but I know someone who's raring to answer that question whether she actually knows or not she actually knows the right answer. :) However, I think she's still busy sucking on an egg.


Let's see. I think the CNN reporter would be very interested in making a visit to an actual essay mill office. ^_^


Anything yet?

Nope, I'm calling you one, egg-sucker.


Hey so let me get this straight. Were you paid every dollar that you were owed? So by "screwed" what precisely are you complaining about?

and how does a writer actually "promote/advance the needs of fraudulent companies"? Is simply working for these companies as writers despite knowing at least about the allegations against these companies enough? (this question is directed at OR since pheelyks claimed that the statement came from her)

Really? o.O


Cool.. I wouldn't have so I'm glad someone else did. >.<

Can you tell us what crimes you are referring to exactly?


Is it the same guilt that's making you think that a union for us homework writers would be a good idea? I'm sorry if this seems to be an attack but hey, hypocrisy is a pet peeve of mine. XD This reaction is directed entirely at your two posts and not at you (or your other posts for that matter).


Hmm... but did they pay you all that you were owed eventually? I agree that ew doesn't care. However, I fail to see how this situation makes them fraudulent or any different from the cold-hearted but legitimate capitalists in the first world. You can call them unprofessional, cruel, and unfair based on your story (I actually agree that they are all these things), but I don't think you can say that they scammed you out of your hard earned cash, can you?


That's a lie. I did however claim that the people who come here crying over getting booted/fined by ew usually deserved it.


Oh go suck on an egg. If a similar story was told by someone who didn't agree with you, you'd simply ask for proof and call the person a liar when he doesn't post the authenticated medical records.

Hey, I'm glad you posted this thread.

So to clear things up, those who agree with OR's message are in fact stating that they have nothing against competent ESL writers working for offshore sites that falsely claim to only hire native writers even if such ESL writers are aware of the possibility that they are being misrepresented, right? If people here agree with this statement, then I can most certainly agree that native writers are not opposed to the presence of ESL writers in this industry.

She can't help it. Err.. anybody wanna support/defend WB? >.<

I still stand by my statement that the reporter would have visited the address posted on the site regardless of her knowledge of essaywriters being owned by some Ukrainian. She would have done so in order to see if a business that sells homework to students is actually doing so out in the open.

This makes me wonder. Has anybody ever visited ET's office to see if it was actually there?

Way to go, WB. :P


Oh you had disagreements over more than personality. You clashed on various issues about "fraud, law, and business ethics" such as when you tried to attack competitors that offered papers at 250 words per page.

Hey, but let's get back on topic shall we?


Wow, so are you actually implying that CNN's message was "it's alright to cheat so long as you buy American"? Get real, Mcbeal. ^_^ CNN wanted to send a message that students shouldn't buy from essay mills period by making it seem like the activity would just get them an F. However, this motive was defeated by the very introduction of their report in which they stated how more and more Americans were using essay mills.


Err... the reporter would have visited the address posted on the site regardless of her knowledge of essaywriters being owned by some Ukrainian. If she did find ew's office there, it would have meant a heckuva lot more trouble for essaywriters.net since that would mean that the company can then be prosecuted for breaking state laws against selling homework to students.

C'mon.. can't you do any better than this? :p I'm humiliating you without breaking a sweat.

Like writing for foreign sites that you consider fraudulent? Ha! That's like saying that you're fine with ESL writers as long as they don't write for American consumers. :p You're sentiments about ESL writers working for essaywriters.net is well encapsulated in what you think essaywriters should do:

Hmm.. so how many interviews have you conducted with native American writers and how many were you able to hire? ^_^


But they have. Accepting that reality does not mean that you should be forced to hire any of us. I was just stating that competent ESL writers in this industry are here to stay and cruddy propaganda will not make us go away. Writers like myself, humble, dearbats, and several others have been operating in this industry for years now and have taken our share of the market. I really don't think that we're alone in our success, do you?

I love these things. :D


Hey, I asked you a question. :p

Sigh... you never "buried" me. I undeniably tore you apart in the very thread where you tried to get people to rally on your side.


Wow, so are you actually implying that CNN's message was "it's alright to cheat so long as you buy American"? Get real, Mcbeal. ^_^ CNN wanted to send a message that students shouldn't buy from essay mills period by making it seem like the activity would just get them an F. However, this motive was defeated by the very introduction of their report in which they stated how more and more Americans were using essay mills.


Err... the reporter would have visited the address posted on the site regardless of her knowledge of essaywriters being owned by some Ukrainian. If she did find ew's office there, it would have meant a heckuva lot more trouble for essaywriters.net since that would mean that the company can then be prosecuted for breaking state laws against selling homework to students.

C'mon.. can't you do any better than this? :p I'm humiliating you without breaking a sweat.

Oh, but you don't even need to do that explicitly. By making generalizations about foreign sites (calling ones from Ukraine substandard and ones from the UK overpriced) while rebuking clients who post anything against ET, you hope to lead observing clients to infer that ET is their only choice.


Did it really? I think people here would agree that the report's point in showing that a student can get an "F" using one of the essay mills is to not use essay mills regardless of where they're based. If the report wanted to actually determine the general quality of papers that come from foreign sites, it would have selected more than one company to investigate and placed more than one order.

Once again clients, if you're bothered by bestessay's "F" so much, then don't order from bestessays. There are many more companies to choose from. Don't be scammed into thinking that your only option is the most expensive option. Find a site or a writer that you can depend on at prices that you are comfortable with and stick with that site or writer. Only let price and quality be your guide. After all, I think you'd agree with me that price and quality are all that matters.

Great. How about you pheelyks, rusty, and FreelanceWriter (Lav too if you're still out there)? You folks alright with us foreign writers getting in on the action?

Right... and leave competent writers who just happen to not be Americans out of the picture. :) Sorry, it's way too late for that. Like it or not, the "native English-speaking, culturally-aware, American writers (with MA or PhD degrees)" have to share today's essay mill market with us English-speaking, culturally-aware, foreign writers (with MSc or PhD degrees).

Is that alright with you, prowriter?

Actually thanks to CNN, the existing prevalence of foreign essay mills in the market (not just bestessays) has been brought out in the open. Those who still doubt the ability of foreign sites to deliver quality work need only watch the CNN report to see how many students are actually availing of this cheaper alternative.


Haha.. isn't name-calling your middle name? :p

Right on!

Thanks. ^_^

Like I said people:


Everything else is irrelevant.

Folks, I never denied working for essaywriters.net, one of the most abused sites on this message board. I also never defended my employers as good people. In fact, I often acknowledged that they were selfish, uncaring, *******s. However, the fact that essaywriters.net still maintains over 500 orders daily during peak seasons proves that it is one of the strongest sites in the market. Those couldn't be all just one time clients as one moron would like you to believe.


Oh, but what am I typing? Clients, I'm not asking you to order from sites supposedly owned by essaywriters.net. All I'm asking you is to ask yourself: do I want to be bullied into buying my essays at over $30/page by some moron on the internet? I think you'd agree with me that being bullied into doing just that is what would really make you... a gullible idiot.

Nice try. Did I say that or even imply that? Heck no. I called this:


Hopeless propaganda. ^_^

Again people, if you want to trust the say so of the moron quoted above, then you do so at the risk of paying much more than you should be paying for a service that technically is supposed to help you earn more money. If a friend of yours recommends one of the sites listed above, would you take WB's worthless accusations over your friend's actual experiences? Of course not! Don't be fooled. Find a site or a writer that you can depend on at prices that you are comfortable with and stick with that site or writer. Only let price and quality be your guide. After all, I think you'd agree with me that price and quality are all that matters.

Again, nothing more than hopeless propaganda to dissuade clients from ordering. People, if you let this opportunistic moron deter you from availing of the more affordable services offered by foreign companies, then you're losing out on a sweet deal that's already being enjoyed by thousands of your peers. The CNN report proves exactly that. Try a one page paper from a foreign company or writer today. ^_^ If you think that you should avoid bestessays because of the "F" they got even if your classmates tell you that their experiences with the same company are different, then by all means, find another company. My point is simple, do not be limited to high-priced sites regardless of where they're situated. Find a site or a writer that you can depend on at prices that you are comfortable with and stick with that site or writer. Only let let price and quality be your guide. After all, I think you'd agree with me that price and quality are all that matters. Goodnight! ^__^

o.O Errr... that's "being mean" in your book? Hey boom, did I offend you?

There you go again posting things and making them seem to matter when they don't. I already said:


Did I say that only U.S. sites post such things? No.

So yes, you lose again. >.<

Now I get why you wanted out. :p You know, I also felt like this over a year ago when EW took over $200 from my pay. The excuse that they gave was that the system made an error and one of the orders I took was not priced correctly. I was furious and I also did consider quitting. I mean, even if what they claimed was the truth, it's still their system's fault and they still should pay up because I took the order under false pretenses. I took another look at the order in question (a 20-page editing job priced at $20/page) and went to the site where they supposedly get their clients. I saw that the price that they gave me for the order was almost equal to what they would have charged the client had the client used the site that I went to (bestessays). After a whole lot of thinking, I finally decided to let it pass and just charge the mishap to experience.

Looking back at it now, I still think that ew was wrong and that they should have taken the hit from their own mistake. However, I don't think what they did was fraudulent, just very, very selfish and unprofessional. With how much I'm earning from them, I simply reasoned (both logically and mathematically) that that one incident was not enough for me to stop. But hey, I'm not trying to convince you to go back nor am I trying to convince you not to "pay back" the company in your home country. Please do by all means. ^_^ Maybe the lesson would teach them to start treating their writers as well as the American companies supposedly treat theirs. :)

On the issue of yogeshmittal's writing and penalty, I agree with rusty that there was no cause to berate the newbie for his writing skills. However I do believe that yoge should give us more details about the order that cost him $579 before anyone can judge whether or not he was "scammed' by essaywriters. I think ew makes it a point to check the credit card details of anyone who orders from them and even puts orders on hold when the details become suspicious so it seems shady to me that they would let a $579 order slip away.

Dude... I don't think you're that naive. Companies post those things about "model papers" to protect themselves. In particular, companies based in the U.S. have to make it appear that they don't allow students to submit bought papers for credit on their website because if they did not, they could be held legally accountable in several states. However, do you really think that some student would spend $100 on a 6-page paper and just use it as a reference on his paper which he will still need work on from scratch?

Oh please, until an actual court ruling interprets the law as it applies to writers of offshore essay mills the way you want it to, you can take your legal opinions and shove them where the sun don't shine. ^_^ Again, the customers reading this thread should be aware that WB's agenda is simply to dissuade you from buying from foreign essay mills.


Why don't you quote them where they said so? Then I can show everyone that you've just quoted them partially to make it seem like they were agreeing with you about me. :D

P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C. ^____^