or judging by some of the rubbish on here it could be called

recommend_a_donkey.com lol

I can see why this was rejected. There are a lot of grammatical (as well as technical) errors in this paper, and please for goodness sake learn to spell - it should be offence not offense.

or even 'Illegitimate' if you would care to spell it correctly.

Oh and yes, although illegitimate is the antonym of legitimate it is not incorrect to refer to something as being non-legitimate, as I am sure you will agree, unless you are going to argue that ANYONE who refers to something as NON-LEGITIMATE has got it wrong.

findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3643/is_200004/ai_n8889803

Hmm so you are neither of the above lol that's interesting since point (c) is in relation to a GENUINE student lol.

And non-legitimate ones too

Or (as admitted above) use this as a PERFECT opportunity to promote yourself. I would NEVER use ANYONE on here offering their services for the very fact that they are using sites designed to expose frauds to enhance their own fraudulent services


Which results in the gathering of over 100 pigeons and we all know the mess they make lol.


Admitting who you are DOES NOT make you legit, it just proves that YOU have NO respect for the forum rules vis a vis self promotion

For the purpose the site is designed for ie to warn others about scam writers, scam companies and hopefully stop students from parting with money for a load of tosh and writers slogging their guts out only to be paid peanuts or nothing at all!

I could ask what your purpose is in being here but judging by the posts you have made it is obvious that you are here to pat FW on the back for supposedly doing you a brilliant piece of work. Of course there is no way of anyone on here knowing whether you are a bona fide customer of FW or ********* or whether you are

a) related to FW and therefore assisying in promoting his services
b) FW signing in with a different name (to pat himself on the back), or
c) a genuine student (but then the question needs to be asked why you have SUCH a compulsion to praise FW)

Maybe the forum owner would like to set up another forum JUST for recommendations! Then not bother to monitor it because THAT would be a waste of time as ALL the scam companies would be blogging 24/7. Mind you it might keep them away from here for a while!

Possibly because the forum IS NOT designed for SELF PROMOTION or promotion of ANY company.

I could state that I work for a specific company, and then create another account pretending to be a student who had had work done by me and it was brilliant. HOW would anyone on here know that I was legit JUST because one or 2 other different account names says so? And no, FW I am not going to order a 2 page piece from you just to find out

A) because I don't need 1
B) Because 1 good OR bad essay is insufficient on which to reach a conclusion
C) IF I had an essay to do I would do it myself because then I would know that I earned my grade (good or bad) all by myself.

hey all have you tried

illignoretheforumrules.com

excellent service lol

I have sent you a private message so that you can contact me direct and I can advise you on procedure, as well as the possibility of success etc. Hopefully this will assist you in determining whether to pursue this course of action or not.

I figured it would be better to advise on a one to one basis as this forum is not really the right place to be discussing how to bring a claim etc and did not want to be accused of discouraging potential litigants by posting the pros and cons of claiming against these companies.

Everyone has huge workloads, and very little time in which to complete tasks, assignments etc, this is no excuse to get someone else to do your work for you. The essays bought from essay writing sites are supposed to be for guidance only, and you only have yourself to blame if the essay you submit does not meet the required grade.

To use the argument that you are lazy is pathetic, when you get into the real world of work you won't be able to DELEGATE as you put it. At the end of the day you are only fooling yourself. YOur final degree grade will not be as a result of your hard work and study, but as a result of someone you have paid to do this for you. DO you intend to pay a work colleague to complete your work tasks when you start working for a living - if so you aren't going to be earning much are you?

Louse? lol Could that be a blogger from academia-research lol

Now why would you put the above on 1 post and then


on another, doesn't add up really, does it?

the essays are supposed to be as a reference only, in the same sort of way that one would go to the library and borrow a textbook or journal. the answers will be written in a manner to show the customer the required format etc, and the proper way to reference. Any quotes included by the writer can be used by the customer so long as the writer properly referenced the quote. Its a bit like looking at past exam papers and model answers. The idea is for the customer to take the information supplied in the paper and then out that in their own words.

You say there is no difference between a student paying a writer to do their work then there is for a manager to get a member of staff to do a report, the difference is that the manager will give credit to the person producing the report, and also is not using the work to get qualifications to further their own career.

Which kind of indicates that you submitted the work as your own, which is NOT the purpose of ANY of these essay writing sites, though MANY turn a blind eye to this.

You can get GOOD and BAD writers on EVERY site, that does not make the company a SCAM. The scam comes when the company LIE about their location AND tell you that the writer was an EFL writer when in fact they KNOW that this was not the case.

Hey WB I have no desire to continue bickering, and I will be asking the Mod to remove the latest offensive post of voir which I find throughly disgusting. So disgusting I do not intend to re-quote.

(MOD PLEASE CAN THE LAST POST ON PAGE 2 BY VOIR BE DELETED AS THE NAMES HE CALLS ME ARE DISGUSTING AND UNCALLED FOR, ESPECIALLY SINCE MY CHILDREN READ THIS FORUM AND I DO NOT WISH FOR THEM TO SEE THIS KIND OF LANGUAGE USED ON A SITE LIKE THIS_ THANK YOU KINDLY)

I agree we are supposed to be here to stop writers and customers getting scammed, and I should not have stooped to voir's level with the insults (to this end I offer my apologies to you and other genuine posters).

I have decided in the future to ignore all posts from voir, regardless of any personal insults/comments, in the hope that he will become bored with getting no response, and instead fuel my energies into assisting with the fight against fraud.

I have discussed with a colleague whether there is any course of action that can be taken against these companies who declare false addresses, in particular in the UK as that is where I practice, and she has said that she will do some checking up to see if this could be regarded as some kind of offence under the Fraud Act 2006, s2, fraud by false misrepresentation, though this could be problematic as they keep changing the address once exposed. There is also the difficulty on whether papers charges can be brought against a company for fraud in the UK when there actual address is in the Ukraine. I will keep you posted once my colleague and I have done our homework on the matter.

fly swat anyone? lol

You are truly boring lol!

Ha ha ha ha ha Thanks for making me laugh! Do you really think anyone is interested in the ramblings of an idiot like you lol

Damn WB I was going to let you have the last word but this post is just so funny I had to respond lol

Does Voir really think I care who he has supposedly raised this with lol especially since I CAN prove everything I have stated about myself lol

Get a life voir! lol

Damn knew I should have bought some more fly spray when I went shopping lol

SWAT SWAT lol

Linda- I can log into the site as I used to work for them. If you can give me the order numbers I could check on the status of them for you see if there is any messages on there etc.Least then you would have some idea what is going on!

Like the writers from losing MORE money. Name 1 decided case against an essay writing company that has been won by a disgruntled writer - the absence of ANY high;ights the likelihood of success - oh and OF COURSE I declared my earnings from writing- least my accountant did- which amounts to the same thing. I don't need to hide from the taxman- in my job it would be porofessional suicide to try to hide extra income- I don't intend to gey myself debarred for a few measly pounds.

Says he who constantly tries to promote his own second rate writing service- gee and that isn't against the forum rules?

Note no matter how much you insult I refuse to drop to your level of name calling, I guess that's down to self respect.

Anyway i'm bored with winding you up now, it was fun for a while, a bit like eating cold soup, but then it becomes tedious, so i'll bid you adieu until next time I feel like pulling your chain.

Oh and remember your own previous comment about people who like to have the last word ha ha!

Oh i get paid well for my work in court, very well lol and as for students - I dont work as a writer now (hence the title ex writer) I jut tutor and proof read and edit work.

Actually I am very successful in what I do. I am after all a QC and very well respected by my colleagues. Please enlighten me as to when I have ever been a BULLY lol

If you were not sso hypersensitive you would not rise to the bait all the time lol

Lighten up life is too short to get your knickers in a twist over a forum chat! lol

Oh i don't get paid for winding you up! that i do for fun lol!

In fact the only work I do get paid for is presenting in court, prosecuting low life individuals who break the law, speaking of which off to do some case prep, got a 5 day case starting tomorrow, unless I persuade him to plead guilty seeing the evidence stacked against him.

Least I work for the good guys, would hate defending some of the scum I see on a daily basis.

Oh how easy it is to wind you up LOL my work here is complete!!

Maybe you should take a leaf out of your own book after your attack on me when I tried warning people on here of the pitfalls involved in legal action, from which you concluded I had a hidden agenda.


If that is true then eventually everyone will realise that allegations you made against me were untrue, for example

1. you alleged i was male
2. you alleged i was not a barrister
3. you alleged that i was not a writer
4. you alleged i was several people posting under 1 name
5. you alleged i was working for one of the scam companies.

All of the above are false- so who will look a fool when the TRUTH does come out lol

And just how much are they paying you for such blatant promotion?

I know of many who have had VERY bad experiences with this company. One satisfied writer (if that is what you really are!) does not make the company great. Heck there are loads of posters on here that praise academia-research, essaywriters.net etc etc that does not make them a good company.

When I worked for AK I used to get paid on time, however, when there were issues over extra words needing to be added, minor alterations (which demonstrated how the customer OBVIOUSLY intended to submit MY work as THEIR own) and then the 300% fine (of which I only had 1, because then I jacked it all in) that was the straw that broke the camels back.

They are constantly sending emails asking for minor amendments within a short period of time, and as I work full time and was only doing this as an extra outlet I was often under a lot of stress to do the changes after having already done a 10 hour day at work.

When you also consider the amount that they charge the customer compared with the amount they pay the writer that is diabolical. DO yo not realise that the essay they are paying you £100 they are charging the customer £300 for. Why not cut out the middle man and set up your own agency, and keep all the profits for yourself.

When you also consider the lies told by Jennifer about her supposed academic qualifications, does it not concern you that if they can lie about things like that what else do they lie about? With any of these companies there is room for them to rip writers off, after all they are the one dealing with the customer. As a writer, if the company tells you there has been a complaint about the quality of your work by the customer how can you disprove this as you have no contact with the customer.

One company I have worked for actually gets the student to scan the marked paper so that they can send it to the writer if there is an issue. One recent client of this company attempted to aver that one of my pieces of work did not get the grade he wanted. the guy running the company asked him to scan the results page and comments and he would consider a refund. Needless to say the student did not scan the marked piece because he was lying about the grade he had got and was just trying to push for a refund. If AK were to take this line then maybe they could justify the fines imposed etc, but we know they wont do that as it is so much easier to fine the writer. It should be noted that the 300% fine means that even after they have refunded the customer they still have a nice profit of 2/3 of the amount charged.

I know several who have been fined. I once was scammed by them for £240 for an £80 essay

Yes they do through fines etc which are 3 x the amount they pay for the writer

Obviously, as I am not privy to any of the commnications between you and any of your students I am not in a position to comment on who said what to whom. That is obviously between you and your writers. Obviously in this particular manner you and the writer are both making the same accusation albeit that M is making these through the posts of Serene. My comment on the Malicious Communications Act applies to all persons that have received such offence material, and will be regarded as a criminal offence for which prosecution is an option.

I very much doubt that you know more about the law than I do, but I am not here to compare qualifications. The information I supplied to Serene with regard to a possible course of action was contingent on her friend being able to prove the claims she is making. I agree that she is foolish to make such assertions if she is unable to back these up with evidence, however, from the tone of the posts made by Serene M was not supportive of her decision to make these posts, but was persuaded by Serene that this was an appropriate way of exposing you. If the allegations are false (as you claim) then Serene has indirectly caused a lot of problems for her friend.

You may have difficulty in pursuing a claim against M for libellous comments since she has not specifically made any declarations on here herself. She could rightly argue that these were not her opinions but the opinions of Serene and therefore she cannot be held liable for comments SUPPOSEDLY made on her behalf. If it were possible to pursue someone for comments made by another I could make any assertion on here stating that someone else had told me to make that comment knowing that they would get the blame for the comment. That is not how the legal system works. You can only pursue the author of the libellous offence, not someone they claim has asked the to do it as you have no way of proving that the other person asked the poster to make those allegations.

Given that this is a forum and names created cannot be associated with a particular author claims for libel or unlikely to be achievable as the poster is only identifiable through their email address, which does not have to even be an address that is in existence at the time of registering with the site. The moderator also has a duty under the data protection act not to disclose the details of posters on the sites and so therefore tracing a poster is nigh on impossible.

Yes you can take the action you propose and send the essay to M's tutor. What will this achieve? You will still not be able to take legal action against her as you cannot prove that she has had any direct involvement with the posts made by Serene. Surely your company would gain more kudos and respect by just accepting that in business you are always going to get a number of people who do not like the way you do business. The way you have conducted yourself on this forum shows a lack of professsionalism and potential writers are likely to be discouraged from applying to you for the way in which you have felt the need to expose details of one of your writers just because they have dared to accuse you of not being legitimate. If your company is as successful as you claim, comments like this would have little or no impact.

This is the same way in which academicknowledge reacted when being exposed for the exorbitant fines they levy which they eventually admitted to after initially denying that they charge 300%.

I am sure you would have got a better response if you had not publicly exposed the writer in the manner you did.

It may well stop peter from sending further threatening emails knowing that your friend can bring an action against him if he persists.

I was only pointing out to peter that he has no rights over the essay so that his threats to your friend are meaningless.

If your friend has saved the malicious emails then the police will intervene to prosecute peter for malicious communications. I can assist with this if your friend would like me to.

Unlike his picture lol

You almost feel sorry for him- I did say ALMOST. Surely he didn't put that picture on his web page of his own free will- someone must have forced him to do it- why else would you include such a hideous picture of yourself for all to see.

I did not assume- I asked if she had kept these emails because if she has THAT is proof. I did say I could ONLY assist IF she has kept them.

IF as you say none were sent then you have nothing to fear. HOWEVER, if you did send such emails AND she kept them then maybe you should be worried.

Has she retained a copy of these emails, as a thought has occurred that there is a possibility of pursuing a criminal action under the Malicious Communications Act 1988 or possibly under the Harassment Act 1997. If she has let me know, I will have a browse through Archbold to check the charging standards, but I am sure this should fit the criteria.


If you didn't pay for the work then it is not yours regardless of whatever changes you made to it. You cannot claim something as yours just because you proof read it and changed it. You need to have given SOMETHING as consideration for it to belong to you!

On what basis are you supposedly claiming the copyright. IF you had paid her for the work, then YES legally you can do with it as you wish. IF (as you state) you have not paid for it then it does NOT belong to you and therefore you cannot claim the copyright on the work. A contract is only formed once there has been offer, acceptance and consideration. Consideration would only occur if you paid for the item received. YOU have NOT paid so therefore the contract has not been created.

The author of the document CAN retain the copyright, in certain circumstances. This is generally in relation to published articles. Essay writing companies include the sale of the copyright with the payment made to the writer, ergo if the writer is not paid the copyright remains the property of the writer. Now that is a lesson in UK law for you Peter.

I once had the same argument with AK when they refused to pay for one of my pieces of work, so I sold the essay to someone else, and guess what... despite their threats of legal action nothing happened...why? because they knew they would lose as they could not claim ownership of something they had not paid for.

Just how many times have they tried to fine you 300%!

Don't you also find the endless badgering for confirmation annoying and I used to dread emails from the quality department even though sometimes it was to tell me I had scored high enough to get a bonus. I used to also get annoyed with clients asking for trivial amendments such as reducing the word count (an obvious sign that they were going to submit my work as their own) and requests for things like page numbers to be added or the line spacing to be increased or the font to be altered (even more evidence that these essays were going to be submitted without any alteration to the content etc).

Says he who accuses me of working for a company rather than trying to save writers from losing more money.

Now you are showing your true colours. I hope the Mod reads as they are bound to see who is supposedly insulting who!


If you read the thread properly YOU were the one starting with the personal attacks. However, once again I find myself agreeing with WB and refuse to continue debating this matter with you. Let the writers decide based on the information supplied. At least if they do decide to fork out money for legal action AND lose they cannot say they were not warned.

Voir- I refuse to resort to your level. I have stated the facts ACCORDING to English law.

I have irrefutable proven that YOU would not be exempt from charges, and that any potential LITIGANT wold only have such an exemption IF they met the criteria. IF not it is going to cost someone to bring this action.

I DO NOT WORK for any company as your comments IMPLY suggesting that I am PROTECTING someone. If you has an ounce of intelligence and READ the post correctly you would see THAT MY AIM IS TO PROTECT THE POOR AGGRIEVED WRITER FROM WASTING MONEY bringing an action which is ALMOST certainly doomed to failure.

I will let the writers be the judge as to whether they BELIEVE that I am doing this for any other reason but to protect them. I am sure WB has sufficient intelligence to appreciate what I have been saying here since she also agrees that there is very little recourse through the courts as the rights of AGENCY workers are not protected as you claim.

I notice that you DID NOT address all the points I made including the link pointing out the status of agency workers ar WORKERS and not EMPLOYEES. Something which makes a WORLD of difference when pursuing a legal claim.

You are just destroying yourself here. Better go back to work, you need to pay your bills.
I am no longer going to reply to your posts because I feel sorry for you right now. I would only be destroying you further.

How dare you suggest I AM NOT PAYING MY BILLS. Fortunately for you defamation through a forum is not actionable otherwise you would have been feeling my wrath. I am however going to ask the Mod to monitor your posts as you are becoming most objectionable and also giving false hope to writers based on NO LEGAL KNOWLEDGE AT ALL.

As far as I am concerned I will not indulge you further. If Mak would like my opinion or indeed the opinion of a colleague of mine within chambers to consider the strength/weakness of the propose case once he has finished gathering the evidence I will gladly supply both.

Mak if you would like this please reply using the forum and I will private message you with the address to send the documentation.