it's so easy to see through BS like this. you obviously think you have numbers here, that you're God's gift, and that everyone else is stupid, but really... you come off as sort of deluded.

oh, and that exhaustive list of slander against your competitors doesn't count as helping. sorry that you worked so hard on nothing.

thanks for answering my question, though, and stating another of your hilarious, corrupt, and indefensible claims in the bargain:


so, let me get this straight: someone who is a representative of a company within a given industry, can then be trusted to be a watchdog within that industry, without any risk of a conflict of interest. you're really sticking to that?

WB, those are both your opinions... although you phrase them as charmingly as ever, this does not make them facts. speaking of addressing issues, I wonder what you think about posing as an independent fraud buster in an industry in which you are employed? and speaking of stupid, it seems fairly stupid to assume that most people won't see through this huge conflict of interest, don't you think?

I feel comfortable on the 2 other message boards I belong to, where people like you and WB, instead of being allowed to take over and make a mess, are kicked repeatedly until they either learn to act like adults, or leave.

I'll take it from you; you seem like a real expert.

I did answer Jess, and much better than you did. with all of your extensive experience doing people's homework for them, people expect more from you... and you act more and more like WB, helping no one and, generally, being a shathat.

if you can't see the illogical nature of explicitly defining an "opinion" as a "fact," you need more help than I can give you.


you may also want to think about what I mentioned re: absolutes (hint, hint). and if you call saying the same thing repeatedly to a brick wall an argument, I guess I've lost a few arguments...

do I? I've learned not to use absolutes, anyway. oh well, at least I answered Jess.

btw, this statement shows you to be the last person who should be going on about logic or relevance. did you read it after you typed it? do you write this way when you're doing people's homework for them? if so, it's probably best that you don't get to see the grades you get.

so your opinions don't represent the whole universe... just everyone who reads or posts here. thanks for clarifying; you wouldn't want to seem egotistical.

that's a weird excuse.

just because you're a selfish jerk, doesn't make your opinion universal. if you can't show any dignity, try showing some restraint. you go on about logic, and then state something like this... what a fool.


I wasn't talking about writing; I was talking about screening writers.

with lazy overkill like this, it's probably best that you're writing copy on which you don't have to put your name. I don't see what was so offensive about Jess' question. at least you're actually typing the word now... as if you've just learned it.


did you forget already? the question was "who really cares?" the solution is to address your apathy, and start becoming more involved in the manufacture of your product.

that's an odd question for a company owner to ask, stu.

you think I'm full of ****? well, you're a random, sad weirdo on the internet, who has over 1000 posts and can't answer a simple question about your own industry without trying to make someone feel stupid.

I would assume that although companies differ, most have writers undergo a period of observation under which their skills are tested, and then give writers more autonomy if/when they prove themselves to be capable.

you're the experts!

if I respond when provoked by your asinine behavior, it doesn't make me a troll-- it just means I've sunk to your level. I'd also like to apologize to Jess, who still hasn't gotten an answer. it must really suck to come here for information, and get crucified by a bunch of entitled-acting shatheads for not having proper grammar.

it's logic you can't accept-- either way, you lose. just because it causes dissonance to you personally, doesn't mean it's not logical.

big surprise-- you're very brave on the internet.

I wasn't making any accusations here-- just wondering why no one is answering Jess' questions, preferring instead to attack his/her grammar. thanks, man, for making something you're declaring irrelevant your new focus, and a new focus of yet another twisted, bickering non-thread that not once addresses its title.


this goes for you, too, you twee nerd. calling me an a-hole-- and being afraid to actually type the word-- has nothing to do with why this person started the thread. again: no one has answered Jess' question, which wasn't a bad one.

unknown gender to whom, you selfish one... you, or the person using the construction?

you do peoples' homework for them-- try taking yourself a little less seriously.

Jess also had a pretty good question, which you're ignoring in favor of taking apart their (yes, their) grammar.

my logic is sound... and those are the exact negligible statistics that you've tarted up and trotted out again and again to prove your assertion. how dense can you get?

you can declare yourself the victor all you want. anyone can read your "assertion."


after the sneering tone of your first two sentences, this is a confusing break. I wonder if you're jealous of useful people. do you sometimes feel bad about what you do, pheelyks? don't tell me...

in any case, I'm not projecting deviance-- I'm projecting logic. if your argument is "I did this to save time," then why would you pay all that extra money for a custom essay in order to start a process (reading, analyzing, and rewriting the essay) that adds time?

sure, pat yourselves on the backs. it just makes it even more obvious who you really are.

WB: I am done with you. go ahead and claim to have no position or opinion on this issue; I've already quoted your "assertion."

JG: I don't believe you modify your papers. I'm sure you look them over, but if they pass your muster, I bet you change nothing. I don't have any proof; I just don't believe you'd pay for a paper written to your professor's specs, and then rewrite it, to save time. it doesn't make sense. and whether you're an over-committed older student or 19, doesn't mean a thing.

there's a difference between being righteously pissed and ridiculous, you putz.

convenient if you're the owner; inconvenient if you're the "independent freelance writer" busting your ass to make the owner's work-free profits.

most employers hold money back because of greedy anxiety.

once again, you go out of your way to be an unhelpful dick. you couldn't just answer the question, you sad piece of ****?

WB: this is an issue that directly involves your customers. to say you don't care reflects a very poor attitude.

again:


your assertion seems to be that the majority of students use their papers as references, because that's what your evidence supports. your assertion has now apparently changed to, "I don't have an assertion; I was just challenging your and EW's use of absolutes." but you've still not managed to find any proof that I mentioned any such absolutes. I don't know about EW. my question to you, if you would care to answer it instead of throwing a temper tantrum, is: what is your position? do you think that most students use their papers as references, as it seems? "I don't have a position," is a really weak cop-out, because this is obviously an issue you've thought about, and in which you're invested.

see above. how does this not look absurd to you? you're the one being cowardly-- I keep asking you what your position is, and you keep insulting me. it makes it look like you're afraid to answer.

JG, doesn't your school offer tutors who offer tips on composition for free? teachers can help you with that, too. why do you need to pay top dollar for an essay, when you can get that service for free?

I'm referring to the corner into which you're backed, where you can't answer a simple question about what seems to be your indefensible assertion regarding this issue (see above). I'm not asking you for proof; I already have that. I'm asking you, if you're going to deny this proof, to define your real position on this issue, so that we can all be enlightened. everybody makes mistakes; if your initial assertion was mistaken, or we're mistaken about it, this is your chance to tell us what you really think. I'm not sure why it's so difficult for you.

that's not an answer; it's an insult. you've painted yourself into a corner, where you're acting like a cornered rat.

I'll ask again: if your "assertion" above isn't your position, what is?

you're the one in internet drag...

but whatever, as to proof of the position I claim that you've taken, it's right here (and right up there). you might want to get your eyes checked before you challenge someone to define a position you've made in that very thread... even lazy people like me can shoot fish in a barrel.


now, please explain how your "assertion" here differs so greatly from your "position," and enlighten us all: if this isn't your position, then what is?

you really like losing, don't you? the quote is right in that very statement-- when I say "anyone who wants you to believe differently is either a fool, or trying to fool you," and you assume that I mean you... yet again. you really need to stop doing that.


as for your trying the same trick, it's not so successful. where do you see me saying ALL clients turn their papers in directly? --because that's your accusation. you said nothing about logic... big surprise. on this page, I have simply tried to explain how it's logical that most students would not use their papers as the legal caveats warn them to, but nowhere do I use the absolute "all." and you're telling me about selective memory?


you're the one with the selective memory... and it's probably because you're stubbornly stuck, yet again, behind a position that's not defensible (and from which you're now desperately trying to distance yourself).

speaking of twisting positions, would you care to quote where I claimed that all students who buy papers cheat? I'm very careful about my use of absolutes on this message board, because it tends to be inhabited by such nit-picky, spiteful asses.


don't you remember? you went out of your way to counter it, first by insulting me, and then, when I disarmed you, by stating your stubborn, anti-social attitude about the impossibility of civility in this forum.

exactly-- and then WB has the nerve to say "I win," based on this pathetic manipulation of statistics. WB, you are a sample size of one that proves everyone on the internet is an idiot.


Cyberwriter008 (2011). Order 10832. Undisclosed Location: Term Papers Inc.

yeah, I'm sure tons of customers do this.

it's a matter of logic. a student is rushed for time... they're over-committed with work, family, school, etc. life sucks; there's no time for anything. they can't drop out, so they spend $150 on an essay, which is written by someone who gets their professor's exact instructions. are you seriously suggesting that this person then uses the pre-written essay made to their exact specifications as Cliff's Notes? it's not a reflection of my dishonesty-- it's a reflection of logic. it's also a glimpse at the the two-faced nature of the industry, which, due to legal constraints, hides behind the "research guide" front. it's BS, and if you believe it, you're, as I said, either a fool, or trying to fool others.

while we're on the subject of being two-faced, WB, you're a male pretending to be a female, and you work for ET, while pretending to be an objective scam-buster. speaking of inherent dishonesty...

companies state this to avoid legal trouble, and customers agree to it because they have no choice. as to who follows it, it's anyone's guess. mine is that the majority of customers hand the essays in as-is, or with very minor "changes" (adding a couple of sentences and putting their name on it). a lot of customers are doing this because they have no time; why would they spend the extra time reading, interpreting, and rewriting the essay they bought? it makes no sense. anyone who believes that the majority of students use these pre-written essay-mill papers as "references" is either fooling themselves, or trying to fool you.

people make friends with each other, share knowledge, post pics, arrange IRL meets, etc. on positive message boards. sure, everywhere has its share of snerts and flamers, but they are usually kept down. this place is a pit; it is the complete opposite of a functional message board. the qualification of senior membership is to be a paranoid, unhelpful ass. even the regulars who are on the same team here-- ET's ugly hyenas all-- seem to dislike each other, and only defend each other out of a sense of duty and obligation to their shared employer. it's a corrupt mess, just like the industry it shadows.

no one put you in charge of who is allowed to be on this forum, or what it needs. you think you're the boss, but no one voted for you. it's a position you've assumed, with all that process entails.