Is it not mentioned in Quran? Please bother to read that again. Even it is considered in Christianity, too. Nuns cover their head. It is really respectable. You won't understand I know.


English please.

Huh? I highly doubt you are in senses. LMAO!

This actually suits you, con artist. Lol! How do hire your writers? By asking the meaning of their names?

Jahiliyya is "ignorance", and "jahil" is ignorant. I think you are the latter one. Tsk tsk. Would you mind google it?

I said hijab. Do you know the meaning? Should I teach you the language, or would you google that word? I am sure you know how to do that.

My life is awesome. Really.
I do not work for any site. Good luck finding that! ;)


Huh? Are you mad or what? I think you have established a link between ulcers and senility. LMAO!

I provided a source. You did not, Hi. ;)

You started all this.

I respect hijab, but am not covered in black garb. Lol! I am a moderate Moslem, too, and respect all the religions. Thanks!


... but you are definitely a scammer and jahil. LMAO!

By the way, why can't you prove false the accusations made against you by the writers you actually conned?

It doesn't make any sense, by the way. It depends on how you spell it. Some people would like to spell it as Aminah, too. I put it as Amna for I don't think it to be wrong. Amn is not Amin. Lol!


No. But he may be called Moosa, or Eisa, or Ibrahim, or names we can respect. LOL!

By the way, Amina has the same meaning. Congrats!

Does that mean people can no longer have such names? Actually, you seem no more than a jahil to me. I am serious!

What about name Haleema which has Egyptian origin? Isn't that was from the same period, jahiliya? ;)

The funny thing is that your name is not on the list. LMAO!

Idiot! LMAO!


Really? Provide source that Amna means fleas in Arabic. Or is it because you say so? Liar!

Amna derives from Amn which means peace, security. C'mon people can't be called Amn.

I doubt if you know who AMNA was. Does having Egyptian nationality mean you are a Moslem?

Idiot!

By the way, why can't look at PRIMARY definition for the name AMNA? You are not only a scammer and liar, but also an illiterate.

When your name has those many meanings (but you prefer HALO ;)), is that Amna, according to you, mean only what you think that to?

You are not smart, dumb.

Amna - "Security, safety"

"A word spoken to congratulate a persons stupidity."
"Have A Loose As, meaning your butt is not tight anymore, meaning something was probably stuck in your as in order for it to get loose"

ROTFLMAO!

Don't tell me you are a Moslem.


Yeah, thanks. I learnt it.


followed by ... ;)



Decide first. Is it flees or fleas? LMAO!

Yes, I am Amna. What's wrong with that name, Kim?



What is this?

Lol! I am not in Pakistan. Take me seriously please. I beg you. LMAO!

Wow! you are still going to believe her. Initially, WRT was denying she owed you money, as you being a partner of her company. Now she has called you and you are telling others to butt off. Did you not read FW's posts about how many times Kim had made excuses about payments and other things?


I agree.

WRT, put it this way. Are you denying that you own money to FW, AmonsEssays, and others? If you admit that you have yet to pay the writers, what is the reason that you are defending yourself against their thrusting claims about you?

Is it okay now? This is not answered, by the way. :)

Why are you ignoring this?

Okay. That is what I wanted, WB. You could have already stated these facts. I definitely accept this, and believe that this will be helpful for others who do not actually know about these laws. One more question, please, if you are able to answer. Does the "courtesy" your writing companies provide to students not make them break the law? Hey, what about ghostwriting? Does your law allow that?

One more thing you should note that. Your sources do not say that ownership cannot be transferred to students. What you have provided so far is: students should not submit the papers under their names. This is not debatable. I state earlier:

I already told you I pointed out different arguments.



My point is proved. You agreed! LMAO!

Do you really think so? I think you overlooked all other posts, and just focused on that compilations part. Hahahahaha. I at least provided the sources. Academic writing does not fit under compilation and/or literary work, because you do not believe blogs. Why do you apply work-for-hire in this case? Your companies are fooling you. You cannot operate on work-for-hire basis.

Do you have any legal proof that the writers cannot transfer copyrights? Why do you keep ignoring my questions? Hey pheelyks, you have nothing to say, which is why you are just making baseless claims.

I already told you such level of debate is beyond you understanding. That is why you can't understand any argument and what you understand is that you are ignorant and now you are pretending that you are not.

Actually, this better suits you. I am not losing anything and you know that, pheeLeaks! LMAO!

LMAO! Okay. So this is what you were trying to prove ever since the argument started. Joke of the century. Hahahahaha.
I think you have given enough proof of your ignorance. It would be better if you did not reply to the post. LMAO! Can't stop laughing!


Oops! ;)


You think sandy was not shady? That implies you were the scammer. Wow!

With my caps-lock on, I declare, PHEELYKS IS ENTIRELY UNQUALIFIED!

Precisely.

Why don't you provide your own source that proves your point?


That does not disprove my point. I say writers should transfer the copyrights to the students, does that mean they have to transfer others' rights (the rights they don't own)? I must say you are not qualified for this level of debate.


You do not pick your customers, by the way. Customers pick you. Do you have any evidence that you clearly state them not to use you paper for submission purposes? How do you know your customers know what is legal and what not? Do you ask them? Any evidence?


That means the companies you write for are scams, too, and so are you. You had this problem with biscuit and sandy. Remember?


I think you have just come to learn that concept, and you are trying to show that your 2 English degrees have made you learn things at least.


Even if a custom-written model paper is not a work-for-hire, what is wrong with selling the paper?


In this case, companies hold the copyrights and they have to pay the writers. In case of private customers, writers get full amount of the paper. They are ready to transfer rights to the companies, but not to the customers, because of the fear that customers will use the papers illegally. In fact, the writing companies give the same benefit to the customers in terms of "courtesy".

Please provide your own sources for academic freelance writing before arguing more on this topic. Thanks.

Edit: I will definitely agree with you guys, if the sources are worth believing.

Okay. Why don't you provide any evidence?


Yeah. Knowledgeable! Like you said:



Please keep this knowledge to yourself. LMAO!


That is absolutely understandable that the company owns the copyright. I am just asking why it is offensive to publish the paper instantly. That "courtesy" makes people break the rules as they get the chance of turning the papers in.

Please do not be angry on what I am pointing out. This is the concern of most of the customers here. I do not work for any writing company, but many other writers do. You better understand the position, right? Why is it difficult to explain the things? You guys do not try to understand the point of argument, rather try to prove others wrong. If you think you are right, you can simply state the facts. Why to throw garbage at each other? Does that make you look any more knowledgeable?


"Clearly, a freelance writing project does not fit neatly into any of those nine categories though it may be considered a contribution to a compilation sometimes."

Please read, and let me know where I am wrong. I am actually learning from you guys. Thanks!

Is this wrong?

freelancewritinggigs.com/writing-success-resource-center/ - or freelance writers though, it is important to know that all of their creations fall under the category of a "literary" work"


This is because they do not know they cannot turn the paper in as it is. You should clearly tell clients before confirming the deal that you own the rights of the work created by you. More often than not, customers assumes they purchase the rights to submit them.


This was unnecessary to write, by the way.

Of course, people buy them. Every time, I have to write a new paper. I can understand why you are amazed, as you resell the same pathetic paper 100 times. ;)

... nor do you. In fact, you never did.


Which law you are talking about? The one that was never made? If they have problem with transferring the copyrights to customers, why don't they lower their prices?

I have provided the example in which a company actually transfers the copyright to the customers.



You are absolutely wrong.



You are just trying to argue without having a clue. Please get schooled first. I have provided sources for all my points. Why don't you provide any to prove me wrong? You keep saying my points are contradictory, but do not provide evidence to support your claims. Do you want to say US laws are bulls-i*? Hey, what "make you" think that?

First you said:


Then jumped on saying:


I think you are confused. In that case,


I think I should leave you here. I have whipped your ass to the extent that it has started bleeding. LMAO!

No. You did not explain anything, but that you are dumb and entirely unqualified to answer with logical arguments. Nothing was contradictory. It is just that you are trying to make it contradictory due to your ignorance and can't just accept what the people you don't like say. I don't think your calling me stupid makes me look so. Maybe it "make you" want to cry! LMAO!


Why can't you do all us a favor by ignoring what is beyond your understanding? ;)


Do you think my points are contradictory? Am I wrong to consider that the ownership of the papers should be transferred from a writing company to customers, and the freelance writers to private customers? If it can't happen, the prices should not be that high. By the way, why can't it not happen when the laws permits it?

Personally, I never resell my papers or show them to other clients. Some customers ask for samples, but I prefer losing them than showing other clients' works to them. When I transfer the rights to my customers, I do not violate them. Customers have all rights to do whatever they want to do with what they get from me. This is not unethical on my part at least, as I have transferred the copyrights to customers, and have nothing to do with what they do with the work. If they turn in my work under their names, they are not engaged in an unethical practice because they have the rights...BUT from the perspective of the academic institutions, it is unethical at the students' part because they were not allowed to submit others' work.


No one buys a bear just for throwing it to the dustbin, not even for just checking how the beer looks like so that he/she may buy one in future. It is quite clear that the one buying the beer will drink (not necessarily drive after that), or gift it to someone else to drink. It depends on the use of the product one is buying. What else can a person do with a "custom written" paper? If the person does not want to submit the work under his/her name, there are a number of research works for a far little price, and even for free on Internet. What is the point of getting the work which meets all the stipulated requirements, and then checking the paper for plagiarism? In some cases, students provide their own sources, and why are they doing so? When students know what to write in the paper using particular sources, why can't they just write themselves? The debates goes long...

Asking question is claiming something? You are too much pheelyks. You are actually trying to hide your ignorance by looking retarded. Lol!


Even if I claim this, what is wrong with that? I have provided the sources that may help you understand the concept of work-for-hire law. You better follow them and read the content before participating in the debate.

Actually, the companies you work for are operating in contradiction to the laws.


If you think this is what I claim, tell me what is wrong with it? Isn't it not possible? If you think they ain't, refer to the links I posted above to understand the concept of work-for-hire.


This is even easier. Do you know ghostwriting? Companies can definitely sell to customers as work-for-hire. I posted an example of Pay For Essay.

These concerns are indeed contradictory, but I did not make anything. I am just raising the points. I know pheelyks you can't answer the questions. Go away.

Maybe: this is all because the writing companies are somehow engaged in unethical practice of selling academic papers to students. They do not want to look unethical, which is why they state in their terms and conditions that they do not allow customers to violate copyrights by submitting their papers. Knowing that customers will definitely do so, they state that they will not resell the paper for few months. This way the business looks honest to both the students and the academic institutions. In fact, there should be no concept of half honesty, but the writing companies attempt to establish it.


I mean companies can definitely transfer the ownership of the papers to the customers.

LMAO! I never claim any such thing. How many times should I repeat the things? Please read my posts again.

Wow! What a nice reply. Hey, did you ever go to school? I seriously doubt that would happen.

My points are not stupid or contradictory. FYI, I did not make laws or rules that any writing company operates on. I was raising the questions as to what the rules are and how they are contradictory. You do not have anything to say in response to my posts that is why you are just pretending to have fully understood everything, and that I look stupid to you. In fact, there is no such case. I know my position very well and people reading through this thread will know that, too. You have proved that you are not eligible for this level of debate. Period.


The question is: why do they need to be that courteous to their customers? They know that the students will be submitting the essays under their own names, so why don't they just publish the work instantly to not allow the students to turn the papers in?

Hey, WritersBeware. Would you mind to have a look at it?

"2. This website has been created to provide customers with original documents including those academic in nature. These documents are drafted by independent contractors, and all the rights of ownership are transferred to the customer. Pay For Essay does not retain any copyrights, nor do the independent contractors who draft them. All products and services sold by Pay For Essay become the intellectual property of the customer.

3. Other services include revising and proofreading of documents provided by customers. This entails review of and possibly rewriting of documents. Changes will be made in accordance with the requests and desires of the customer. All rights are retained by the customer."

Source: Pay For Essay

Sue the company, WB. According to you, they have committed a CRIME!

PS: Please don't think I am promoting the site.I am in no way associated with the company.


You are wrong. This might help you.

"Works Sold to Another: If the creator sells the entire copyright to another person or business, that buyer becomes the copyright owner."

Do you want to be schooled more, WB? Read it.

"(b) copyright.gov/title17/92chap2.html - Works Made for Hire. - In the case of a work made for hire, the employer or other person for whom the work was prepared is considered the author for purposes of this title, and, unless the parties have expressly agreed otherwise in a written instrument signed by them, owns all of the rights comprised in the copyright."


Now, did I state my points clearly?


I know that you are not fully aware of your own (US) laws and ethics, let alone the foreign ones.

I already stated my points clearly. It is just that you want to ignore them. LMAO!

Hahahahahahahahaha. This is what you got from my points! Why don't you go to school?

To prove someone wrong is not always right. It will be better for you to change this habit of becoming a sworn enemy of people who cannot accept your bossy attitude.


No. These are separate questions.


A freelance writer is not a company by the way, you ignorant ass. I know that a company can't transfer the copyright, so why the hell can it not publish the work just after sending it to the customer? What is this policy for? There are other concerns which you keep ignoring. Lol!


You better fu*- off as you are damn good at it.


You are trying to blur the argument. Please shut up if you can't give logical answers to the questions.

Earth to ignorance:


Yes. This implies that you are truly unwelcome. Buh-bye!

Tsk tsk. The +1s from fazlikazak were of no use.

No. I did not. By private customers I mean the ones who hire private, independent freelance writers. Freelance writers agree to operate on work-for-hire basis for companies. Why can't they do the same in case of private customers? If this is unethical, what is wrong with publishing the work at the same time as delivering the work done to the customers? Why is it wrong to show it to other clients? I think WB and pheelyks can't do anything but ignore the main points of an argument. People who can actually contribute to the discussion are welcome.

Wow! What an ignorant fool you are. Did I say that the company should transfer the rights to the students? I was pointing out the complicated issues regarding this matter. Please read my posts again. I can't explain to you over and over again as you can't even make sense of it. I wondered:

You are a delusional crackpot.

Give me a break! You sound like a coward. Better read this: writerswrite.com/journal/sept97/cew2.htm

Basic Copyright Concepts For Writers.

The students can get the rights through ghostwriting. Isn't that unethical?
What about price issue? Why should students pay a huge sum of money when they can't modify, copy the content etc.? They can't even follow the structure of the paper, which means they have to do their own research, so what is the point of ordering the paper? Just for HELP? Isn't that they also should sign the work-for-hire agreement before confirming the order?