Those students are certainly well represented but many customers don't fit that mold at all. I get many working professionals pursuing higher degrees in their fields. Nurses seem to use writing services a lot and I get as many projects from working teachers and working education administrators pursuing advanced degrees in education very regularly. I've also written for more than one working professional whose previous degrees were from Harvard and several working physicians pursuing business or law degrees. Also, deployed military personnel and management-level civilian government employees. In my opinion, there are a lot of academic programs that require much more writing than people who are already perfectly competent in those fields or who have no problem passing their in-class tests in those course are comfortable with...or have time for. In most cases, those writing assignments neither test anything nor teach anything necessary for those people to become successful professionals in their chosen fields.

Sorry if I was unclear. I meant there is no 10 or 15-page order that I would take if I couldn't do it in one day's work. I've written a few dozen 50-pg assignments, about half a dozen 100-pg assignments, and as I mentioned earlier in another thread, one recent 300-pg thesis on a topic in American constitutional law. Obviously those types of assignments take much more than a day to write. I was responding to a post about a 9-pg paper taking two days to write because any paper of that length that I couldn't do in a day would not be worth the time on my end unless it was for a much higher price than I usually charge. In those cases, I refer them to one of two other writers I trust or to a company I trust.

I disagree. Difficulty in research might cause me to spend as much time on a much shorter paper as I would usually spend only on a much longer paper, but there's almost no paper that I'd agree to write in the first place that would take me longer than one day to write. Almost anything 15 pages or less is done in one sitting with short breaks. Part of doing this for a living is knowing how long a job will take you to do and making sure that you don't take any assignments that you can't produce cost effectively. In fact, half the projects that I decline are papers I could write if I had to but that just wouldn't be worth the time involved on my end for the usual price. I usually refer those to someone who handles those particular topics more than I do or to one of the companies write for with instructions for how to phrase the order or which company writers to request. Occasionally, clients who are already comfortable with me and don't want to start looking for a new writer or company will pay me for the time that will be involved on my end, but more often than not, once I explain that I'd have to charge much more for it than the usual price, they use someone else for that particular project.

As far as estimating how much time I spend actually writing in a typical day, it could be 3 or 4 hours some days or 12+ hours other days. I really don't keep track because I'm always working on and off from the minute I wake up until the minute I go to bed just about every day of my life. Just as an example of my previous account, since writing that post earlier today, I took 2 additional rush company papers also due today. So, even though I already finished two scheduled papers, I still have the same number of papers due later today as I did before. I monitor my computers 24/7/365 except when I'm sleeping or not at home, including when I'm working out or lying out on the terrace getting sun. Most of the time, I start writing something on my calendar as soon as I wake up and take breaks to eat, watch TV, feed the cat, spend quality time with my wife, or workout; but very often, by the time I check the clock, I've already been writing from late morning until evening with only food and bathroom breaks.

So if you want to know what a typical day is on my end, I guess I just worked about 7 hours. I'm going to hit the gym now and then write one more 10-pg paper tonight (overnight) before I go to bed sometime in the morning. That paper might take 3 or 4 hours, so that makes about 11 hours of work in a day. If another short rush paper pops up during that time, I'll probably take that and also do that one before I go to bed. It's not something I normally track, but I guess I just work pretty much all day most days and squeeze the rest of my life in around writing these papers. Still beats going to bed on schedule, waking up to an alarm clock, and commuting back and forth to work in an office.

...and I left out probably the best part of doing this work: There is no alarm clock in my life and when I sleep it's from whenever I want until whenever I wake up. Having to rush to get to bed on time to try to get the minimum amount of necessary sleep and waking up to that alarm clock 5 days a week was the worst part of a regular office job.

A few of us have indicated that we do sometimes write up to 25 pages in a day, but I wouldn't necessarily say it's "not difficult." A more typical day of work for me would be closer to 10 pages or so. Today, for example, I have three short company papers scheduled and one 10-pg private client paper to write. That may represent 6-8 hours of actual writing and doesn't include answering work emails or monitoring company boards all day every day for newly-posted orders every waking hour, even while I'm writing. Switching from writing one project to write a quick rush order due in a few hours is something that happens almost daily too. There's no distinction between day and night or any days of the week, or in my case, holidays, either. It's more hours and harder work than what I did as a "professional" Writer/Editor in federal government or as a Writer in corporate communications in the private sector and the work day never really "ends" the way it does at an office job: if I'm awake, I'm only a few inches from a pc screen anywhere in my apartment, including in my gym and bathrooms. But working at home, usually with the TV or radio on, and in shorts and a t-shirt beats commuting to an office to be at a desk at 7:00 or 8:00 AM and spending most of every weekend just catching up all the sleep you missed during the week, going to the gym because you didn't make it during the week, and running errands like grocery shopping and doing laundry.

You're confusing two totally different companies. I've never had a dispute with any company except the one referenced in the title of that thread by the other writer who started it. Those companies have nothing to do with one another.

As part of my agreement with this forum, I no longer discuss any company I write for here. I don't know what you've been told to the contrary but I definitely still write for them. There's one very simple way that anybody could check to see whether that's true but I'm not allowed to discuss that in greater detail because it would be considered promoting a website that I write for.

Generally, I don't need any help in the form of sources. I provide an appropriate reference list and corresponding citations in the paper. Most of the time, the same information could also be found in the texts actually used in your courses, so you should be able to find all the same stuff in there, such as in whatever Psychology or Nursing textbook you use.

There are certain types of papers that I may not be able to do without your reference material but I tell clients that at the time that I give them a price for the work. Sometimes, looking over the material you send becomes part of figuring out whether I can write it and how much to charge.

If the resources you provide make my job easier, I take that into account in pricing; same goes for when the sources you require me to use actually make the job harder than using my own.

Keep in mind that sending us too much material makes it harder for us instead of easier.

When you send us 10 files that you downloaded just because they sounded like they might be useful, we have to go through them to find what's useful and sometimes, none of it really is. Therefore, as a general rule, I don't need help with the research unless I ask for it but if you happen to have one or two really good resources on your topic, there's no harm in sending them. Just keep in mind that quality is more important than quantity and sometimes less is more.

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Some more "surgery" at Cromwell Hospital while they don't know you're there or in a hospital in NYC whose name you "don't know"? Could you please at least call your lawyers and SUE ME before you leave? Thank you.

No you won't because you know you're 100% full of BS. Just sue me already and then post the summons and complaint or the case information for anybody who cares to look it up. You're an international jet-setting professional, remember? This is beneath you. Just sue me already. I won't even try to avoid the process server when he serves me; in fact, I'll coordinate my schedule to make sure he doesn't miss me. Who's going to bring the paperwork? Let me guess: Your "chauffeur" "James"?

Fine. Have your company lawyers sue me. According to you, you never owed me any money and I publicly defamed your company by lying about it here. If what you say is true, you have an open-and-shut case, right? You won't even consider suing me because you know you're 100% full of BS.

Sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me.Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me.

Of course, when you don't everybody here will know who's lying.

Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me. Please sue me.

Thank you.

Make sure you include all the emails about the $1,750 in bonuses that you promised me for months. Make sure you post all your emails about "confirmation codes" and phony MG transactions and "Category 4" MG transactions that MG said don't even exist and about the multiple wire transfers that mysteriously failed even after you supposedly "waited in their office for hours" making sure they went through and about you "chauffeur" named "James" who was going to be driving my money over to me with your cell phone to reach me instead of just calling me on his, or from a pay phone...all for money you claim you never owed me.

I have no idea who WB is and was just responding to your saying that you sent WB info about me. You know much more about who WB is than I do but I did send her all those emails referenced in prior posts. Of course you can manipulate what's in screen shots, not once they're already screenshots, but by simply manipulating the data before you take the screenshot, just like I can change the text of this post to say whatever I want before capturing it. If I'm so stupid, that doesn't say very much about your making me a "platinum" or "titanium" or whatever the highest level of writer is on your site (I forget which it was); how stupid are your writers at the lower levels? You were obviously going to post everything you're going to post here regardless of what I said because you're a nasty, vindictive, theiving, lying, cheating psychopath. When I wasn't even responding to this nonsense you said you'd have to post it because a totally different member who defended me "must be" me responding.

If you believe you were legitimately "wronged" by anything I've ever said about you and your company publicly, why waste your time with all this pettiness? You own an apartment in a "Trump" building right here in NYC, remember? Just take a flight to NYC, file a legal claim against me in an appropriate court of law because you certainly know where to have me served with the papers, and let's present all our respective evidence in court. My pleasure. You won't do that, of course, because you know everything I've said is 100% true; that's why you're here doing all this instead. I'm begging you to sue me. Please sue me.

Your screen shots "prove" nothing because I'm not even refuting the point. yes, the bulk of the money you owed me was the "Easter Bonus" from 2011 and the multiple other "bonuses" you volunteered to give me last Fall. Obviously, you could black out my private financial information but you won't because the only point to any of this is strictly to cause me harm and not to "prove" any point here at all. You can also manipulate your own system to say anything you need it to say...you could "prove" that you paid me $100,000,000 in a screen shot just by typing those figures into your system anyway. If you wanted to, you could also post "screenshots" that say you paid me every bonus you now say you promised but later "revoked."

You spent MONTHS giving me the run-around with all sorts of nonsense about phony Money Gram transactions, phony wire transfers, phony "confirmation codes" that you promised to get me day after day and week after week...you told me you'd be in NYC to pay me personally, you talked about "chauffers" and money in your "safe" and you spent a whole month telling me you were in a "Trump" building but couldn't get me your address or phone number even thuough you promised that info as soon as you arrived in NYC. All of that nonsense is here in the thread started by the other writers you ripped off with stamped dates for anybody to read to decide who's lying about all of it. At no time did you ever deny the debt during all those months and phone calls and emails and more emails supposedly from your "sister" on your Ipad because you were "in the hospital"...a hospital that I called and that had no record of you by the name you gave me OR by your married name your "sister" gave me when I expressed my "surprise" that the hospital she said you were at had no record of you when I called. Only after I finally went public here did you ever come up with this latest nonsense about the bonus money having been "revoked."

You can send WB anything you like because it's all crap you're making up anyway. They already told me about the email saying that I was "stealing" company customers and planning to "take down" the company and start my own company and some other such nonsense, with supposed excerpts from emails that you obviously created. I've never actually communicated anything to you about anybody or any company that I'd worry about your sharing. You have no intention of paying me anything and you never did and you're just lashing out here like a complete psychopath because I finally went public with your having ripped me off. It's as simple as that.

There's nothing to "prove" by any screenshots: the money you didn't pay me was only whatever money you were referring to for MONTHS as $1,750 in all those emails and phone calls. So, none of this is about "proving" anything; it's about lashing out vindictively trying to damage my livelihood with your lies and exposing me to identity theft by posting my sensitive financial information because I embarrassed you for ripping me off the same exact way and using the identical lies and fabrications that several other writers here detailed long before I ever chimed in with my identical experience. They also detailed phony wire transfers and MG transactions that never seemed to go through AND they also detailed stories about hospitals and surgeries as excuses for nonpayment long before I ever added my experiences. Anybody contemplating doing any kind of business with you should obviously consider this before providing you with standard ID information used in business. They should know that if they ever complain about not getting their promised "bonuses" you'll retaliate just like this by posting all their private info publicly online and by making up ridiculous lies to contact their other employers to try to get you fired. All because they just wanted the money that you promised them for many many months.

All I ever did to you was provide very good work and then wait patiently for many months for money that you said you were sending (many times) and then finally posted my 100% truthful experience here when it finally became obvious that you weren't going to pay me another dime. Another writer you ripped off even posted and predicted that you'd just wait it out unitl I finally stopped being polite and then you'd use that as the excuse not to pay me. That's exactly what happened. He just didn't know that you'd also stoop to publishing personal financial information to retaliate under some transparent excuse of needing to "prove" something that's not even being argued.

I have no argument with you and, I believe, it was a project that I declined first because I couldn't guarantee that I'd be able to do it well enough to take. (Apologies, if I've confused you with someone else.)

My only point was that WB would have responded that I was lying about having fwdd WRT's emails at the time if I hadn't really sent her all the nonsense about Money Gram transactions and wire transfers and promises about her "chauffeur" driving over to pay me the money she now says I never deserved in the first place.

As you know, I no longer discuss any specific essay companies here, especially the ones I write for, because those were the agreed-upon terms of maintaining my membership here. I'm sorry you had the experience you did with any site that I also write for.

First, WB doesn't work for or own the companies we write for.

Second, we're not "stealing" anything from anybody. We have an explicit understanding with our companies that we cannot take private work from anybody who is already a customer of the companies, and we don't. I've declined work from existing customers of theirs many times, including some who aren't even members of this forum but just figured out (or guessed) how to contact me directly after I wrote company papers for them. However, when it comes to taking work from anybody who is not yet already a company customer, we have absolutely no restrictions and we compete (fairly and openly, unlike you) against one another and also against all essay companies. I've also referred my existing clients to the companies for certain papers and helped them get the best possible company writer...and I always makse sure to let the company know because that's beneficial to me and to avoid any possible misunderstandings in the future about whose customer they were first.

If anything, the fact that Pheelyks and I have been allowed to stay on this forum for years actually demonstrates that our companies don't own or control this forum at all, because if they did, they'd obviously have banned us from posting here a long time ago. As always, I never receive more inquiries than I do after answering your nonsensical accusations and (obviously unintended) confirmation that I do, indeed, write for some of the best and most successful US essay companies in the business.

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Let me get this straight: She invites me to respond while simultaneously saying that if I do respond she'll have "no choice" but to publicly post screenshots with my bank account information here. When I don't respond because of that obvious threat but another poster with whom I don't even have a particularly good relationship does respond on my behalf, she says that poster "must be" me, so she'll "have to" post a refutation disclosing all my personal information anyway tomorrow morning even though I hadn't responded at all. The moderators can and should confirm that I'm not Editor75 or Rusty. I have nothing to "hide" other than not wanting my confidential information posted publicly, just the same as anybody else.

Now that she's already poster my full name, anybody who wants to see who's lying about my law degree can simply look up "New York Law School" online ("NYLS" not "NYU Law School") and just call to check with the Alumni Affairs Office to verify my degree.

Yes, the money I was owed was mostly promised bonuses, so there's nothing even "proved" by posting any screen shots and it's just an excuse to post them anyway with my bank account and everything thing else regardless of what I do (or don't) say in response to this. In any case, as the owner of the website, she can manipulate the financial figures and words like "paid in full" (etc)any way she wants. She's also exposing the owners of this site to liability if they allow her to post all of my private info. Obviously, she could very easily redact all my private information but that would defeat her only real purpose since she clearly intends to post all my private info regardless of what I do or don't say in response to any of this. I'm just hopeful the American owners of this website understand why that would be a problem for them to allow her to do this even if I can't easily reach her. I'm not even arguing the point about whether or not the money at issue was bonuses so there's not even any point to posting "screenshots" that just happen to have all my private info. The fact that she's threatening to do it anyway and probably will even though I'm not arguing the point about what was earned and what was promised as "bonuses" should make it very clear to anybody that it has nothing to do with "proving" anything at all.

If she really "revoked" my bonuses for being "inactive" and "rude" why the months and months and months of 100+ emails and phony MoneyGram transactions and phony wire transfers and pony "confirmation codes" being "verified" and overseas phone calls promising iPads, and promising cash drop-offs using her "chauffeur" "James" and a month-long nonsensical ruse about being holed up in a Manhattan apartment without knowing her own address? I forwarded dozens of those emails to WB at the time and I referenced that here, which WB certainly would have refuted here had it not been true. Why do all that instead of just telling me my bonuses were being "revoked" back in 2011 because I didn't deserve them or whatever until long after I finally publicized the dispute here in 2012? I was never the slightest bit "rude" to her during all that time because I was hopeful that she might eventually pay me after all. I figured all along she was just waiting for me to finally say what was obvious, that she'd ripped me off, so that she could use that as the excuse not to pay me...which is exactly what happened. I finally told her she was a liar and obviously had no intention to pay me (after 6 months of BS). That's what she calls "rude" and "obnoxious." Even in late March, in the very last phone call, her last words (recorded as all of our ridiculous conversations) were "You'll get your damned money!"

I never demanded any of those bonuses in the first place...she promised them spontaneously as part of her apologizing for the lateness of my last payment in December of 2011 for work completed over the summer. She also pretended to be horrified to fnd out that I never got the previous "Easter Bonus" she promised back then. I never wrote another paper for her after September or October of 2011, but the payment promises and excuses and phone calls and stories about Ipads, and bonuses, and taking my wife and me out to dinner, and Ipads for my kids (that I don't have), and being unable to get out of her bed for weeks while she was in Manhattan in a building whose address she didn't know went on throughout November, December, January, February, and March. Never a single word about being "revoked" or "not" being owed the money at issue until sometime in March or April and only after I finally went public by adding my experience to the list of other writers here who also got ripped off by her company.

She already emailed my employers falsely telling them that I was "stealing their customers" and that I had some plans to "take down" their business with a competing website I planned on launching. All completely psychotic nonsense that they didn't believe and that's why I'm still writing for them. She also knows that there's not much I can do about this, at least without great expense and trouble simply because she's located overseas.

I suppose the two most important points to come out of all this is that now anybody can confirm my law degree without taking my word for anything; even she repeatedly confirms that my work for her AND my work for all the private clients she referred to me previously was "excellent"; and she's done me the favor of posting my direct email address. Incidentally, anybody who also thought I might have been lying about having been a senior writer for the U.S. federal government can now also confirm independently through Google that I wasn't lying about that either and that I used to write for the U.S. Dept of Health & Human Services Inspector General in New York City.

Thanks to anybody reading and please excuse any typos because I'm not wasting even more of my time proofreading this.

Stu:

Why can't you answer the question about exactly what your connection is to this industry?

I've always admitted that I write for a living and even what essay companies I write for and my user designation honestly reflects that I'm a writer. You say you're not a writer and your user designation says "observer" but that is an outright lie if you have any association with any essay-writing company, isn't it?

Why do you lie in saying that you're just an "observer" if the truth is that you're really associated with a direct competitor of all the companies and all the freelance writers you do nothing but criticize so viciously?

Since you're "associated" with another competing essay-writing company, why should anybody believe that all your statements are truthful or in any way "objective" or that your motivation is to protect intellectual integrity in academia?

Why should anybody reading these discussions trust anything you say more than anything all of us writers and other company reps say?

What company are you "associated" with?

At least I'm honest and admit to my exact role in this industry.

Why aren't you?


What is it that your experience teaches that has you so convinced you that I'm a "charlatain"?

I've admitted since Day One that I write for a living.
I've admitted since Day One what companies I write for.
I've demonstrated that I don't just attack competing writers because I've even defended the one who is my main competitor for private work when it would have been much easier and more beneficial to me to jump on the bandwagon when a thread was started by someone else claiming that I'm a much better writer than he is.

I've always been 100% honest in calling myself a "Writer" on my account.
There has never been a single complaint against me here by any customer and numerous positive comments.
Even the company owner I accused of ripping me off has since said that my work was "always excellent."

Meanwhile:

You're being very evasive about exactly what you do and for whom. Why?
Your User Designation is an outright lie because you're clearly not just an "observer" and you have a personal financial interest in saying all the things you say. Why lie?

You (admit) that you've never read my work at all, yet you regularly call me a "rewriter" and a "fraud" for saying I have a law degree and when I post information to prove my degree, you just refer to my law school pejoratively in response. Why?

You call me "uneducated" just because I'm American-educated, yet you call anybody who suggests that many ESL writers aren't sufficiently fluent in English to purposely misrepresent their ESL status to customers a "racist." Why?

So, why should anybody here believe anything you say when you won't even answer what you do for a living and what companies you do it for?

You can't just "dismiss" questions like these if you expect anybody to believe anything you say, especially about your competitors. When challenged by you and mre about my law degree, I didn't "dismiss" your challenge; I took the trouble to get my evidence scanned by someone who owns a scanner and I uploaded it here. Your friend hasn't been seen here since I told him it was now his turn to do the same in reference to his claim of having a law degree after also calling me a fraud when I was just being 100% truthful.

Why do you refuse to answer questions about your professional role and company affiliation?

Absolutely not: "observer" suggests that you have no reason to say anything untrue about any writer or any essay company. It's an outright lie, as is your statement that your motivation is to defend academic integrity.

So, what is that you do for an essay company and which company do you work for?

You already said that, but why can't you answer the question about exactly what your connection is to this industry?

I've always admitted that I write for a living and even what essay companies I write for and my user designation honestly reflects that I'm a writer. You say you're not a writer and your user designation says "observer" but that is an outright lie if you have any association with any essay-writing company, isn't it.

Why do you lie in saying that you're just an "observer" if the truth is that you're really associated with a direct competitor of all the companies and all the freelance writers you do nothing but criticize so viciously?

Since you're "associated" with another competing essay-writing company, why should anybody believe that all your statements are truthful or in any way "objective" or that your motivation is to protect intellectual integrity in academia?

Why should anybody reading these discussions trust anything you say more than anything all of us writers and other company reps say?

What company are you "associated" with?

You mean delusional? One would expect that anybody who's such an authority on and protector of educational standards across the globe would spell and write a little better than the skills evident in every single one of your posts in any thread where you post.

If you're not a writer and not associated with any essay-writing company, what is your connection to this industry that you obviously care about so passionately?

Stu, you never answered my questions despite still being active on this thread since I asked them. They're perfectly fair, simple, and very logical questions, so why don't you just provide a direct response?

If you go back to some of my earliest posts here from the Fall of 2008, you'll see that I asked the exact same question of the person to whom you're obviously referring. I also posted at that time that one of my employers asked me to stop arguing with her here because she defended them against untrue allegations, so I did.

How is your assumption that no Americans are as smart or as well-educated as their European counterparts any different from the prejudices that you accuse Americans of having toward all ESL writers?


But why would you choose to police this particular industry of all the possible industries in the world? Why not phony online charities or counterfeit goods dealers or medical and surgical and nutritional quackery sites, or any of the nearly countless other much more widespread and important world problems than bad academic essay writing? Wouldn't it make infinitely more sense to devote your efforts to exposing the many online diploma mills that issue phony academic degrees than worrying about the credentials of such a small handfull of writers in this infinitesimally small online niche community?

Just out of curioisty, since you say you "don't" work in this industry at all, what do you do professionally for a living?

Obviously, I'm asking all this rhetorically, because it's just not remotely believable that you're here without a financial interest in this industry, but if you can refute that assumption with an intelligent response, please do. Until then, nobody here believes that you're merely an interested and unbiased beneficent "observer" whose only interest is in saving the world from bad academic essay writers.

Why, exactly, would you assume that an American-born writer (also) with a college and a graduate degree would be incapable of doing research?

Why would you presume to make disparaging comments about the research or writing abilities of any person whose actual writing you've never seen or read?

You've previously admitted to never having read a single sentence that I've ever written on anything beyond my forum posts, yet you continually call my work terrible and accuse me of "rewriting" instead of writing. Even the owner of the British-based essay company that I very publicly accused of ripping me off here referred to my writing as "always excellent" long after I made those public accusations.

How are your accusations any different from someone being racist and what could your motivation possibly be if you have absolutely no personal financial interest in this industry?

On what basis, other than my being American-born and American-educated do you presume to challenge my writing or researching skills?

If you have absolutely no financial involvment in this industry as you claim, (other "then" as an observer), what, exactly, is your interest in this industry and in this forum?

All fair questions and I'm just asking.

It's one thing for people who are actually part of this industry to spend our time on this forum. You really expect anybody to believe that you have no personal involvment in this industry but choose to come to this forum of all of those on the vast Internet just to fight with and insult people you don't know? Even your life can't possibly be that empty, right?

I realize this would be a tremendous stretch, asking you for a substantive comment or opinion on the actual topic of a thread discussion instead of your usual nasty personal attacks, but what's your response to any of the points made about ESL writers and proofreading English? You know, since you're such an interested "observer" of this industry.

Ladies and gentlemen: Another ESL writer who thinks he's qualified to take money for writing in English even though he can't compose a simple short sentence without at least a few glaring mistakes.

And we have no evidence that your friend "mre" earned a degree from any law school, as he claimed, let alone from one any "better" than mine.

Here's a little free "proofreading" for the person who obviously considers himself capable of proofreading the English of others:


The real point here, other than your being totally delusional, that is, is that practically every single one of these mistakes is characteristic of ESL issues and not of the ordinary "writing" or "grammar" issues of native English writers in need of correction. Nobody here is anti-ESL learners or even anti-ESL writers who aren't delusional about their English skills and nobody is criticizing you about anything except your belief that your English language skills are good enough to write English professionally, let alone to "proofread" the English writing skills of others. I've never had a problem competing fairly and good-naturedly with any other comptetent professional writer; only with ESLs who are totally delusional, or dishonest, or dishonest because they're so delusional that they believe their English writing skills are so good that they don't need to be honest about being ESL to their prospective customers.


If that's your logical conclusion from my saying that my parents escaped Nazi Germany, "English writing skills" are hardly the main reason that anybody would be crazy ever to pay you to produce anything remotely intellectual. For the record, being German is a nationality not a "race" and I have nothing against any Germans who weren't Nazis and who don't share Nazi ideology.

Incidentally, I haven't seen any further posts from your friend "mre" ever since I uploaded and posted the evidence of my law degree in response to his conclusion that I was lying about mine and I suggested that it's now his turn to post his because it's obvious to me that his claims of having one are total BS. Don't worry, though: I'm not expecting an apology from you for calling me a fraud in that regard, either.

Leave it to this idiot to focus on that and to throw in a little anti-Semitism.

Two points:

1. Your English isn't bad at all; it might even be fairly characterized as fluent. But you're not even remotely capable of "proofreading" English writing for this very reason illustrated by your use of the word eligible in a way that it simply cannot be used because it is not a synonym for capable or able. (That does not mean that it doesn't have any relation or that it couldn't be the correct answer to an SAT-type of question asking for the closest thing to a synonym among other choices that are even worse, because it could.) Proofreading requires exactly the skill that even relatively good ESL writers lack and that even the very best of them acquire last. You may have a good vocabulary and better grammar than many American students, but if you were to proofread their work, you'd only be correcting mistakes that are typical of American students and substituting different mistakes that are completely uncharacteristic of almost any American writer at almost any level. In an ordinary context, I'd say that you speak and write very good English; in the context of being able to proofread American writing without adding your own mistakes, (even) you simply do not, by any stretch of imagination.

Marsvictor's English skills, in particular, is so incredibly far from being able to proofread English that it's unbelievably presumptuous, delusional even, to start this thread whose title suggests, rhetorically, that the answer is "yes" and that he believes it applies to him. You're not even close to English language writing fluency, let alone to the ability to "proofread" the English writing of even an average American college freshman or high school senior.

2. Only a very few ESLs ever learn English well enough to proofread a a native English speaker but I'd be the very last person to suggest that it's impossible. My father and uncle were both German-born (Jews) who escaped Nazi Germany in 1938 and spent the war in England, attending Oxford. They both became bona-fide expert English language grammarians capable of proofreading the English writing of anybody and at any level. The other principal influence on my English language writing skills was a high school English teacher who was a Chinese immigrant but whose knowledge of English was so good that even my father wasn't aware of some of the subtlties he taught me and that ever enabled me to "teach" my father anything about English. So, my English language expertise is entirely a function of learning directly from three "ESL" mentors. In fact, I never learned anything about English from any native speaker at all.

So, in principal, the answer to the rhetorical title of this thread is "yes"; but it simply doesn't apply to any ESL on this particular forum, especially the one who was delusional enough to start this thread using that title.

[Correction] I meant Cambridge, not Oxford.

In my opinion, if the customer never asks, you don't have to volunteer that you're an ESL unless you actually realize that your English language skills aren't that great and could be an issue. In your disclosure, it's fine to make the argument to customers that you're such an expert in the academic area that they should overlook any ESL-related language issues as long as you leave the decision to them based on your honest disclosure. The only thing that's not OK is lying to them about it after being asked; they wouldn't ask in the first place if they didn't care about the answer.

I practice exactly what I preach anytime a UK client says he prefers a UK writer. I may indicate that I can do the topic well enough to overlook that I'm a US writer, but I never pretend I'm UK-educated, such as by typing my emails in UK spelling. It would be easy enough to just use UK spelling and say that I'm UK-educated, but I don't lie to get anybody's business. Obviously, that's another concept that's completely foreign to some writers on this forum, like one quoted below.

In my opinion, there are 4 types of ESLs in this industry:

1. ESLs who are genuinely delusional and don't know or believe that practically anything they write sounds like ESL to us;
2. ESLs who genuinely believe that subject-matter competence trumps their lack of English language proficiency;
3. ESLs who are completely honest about it when asked; and
4. ESLs who are too stupid and/or too rationalizing to understand that customers have a right to an honest answer to the question about their location and primary language of origin and who are too stupid and/or too rationalizing to understand that just suggesting writers be honest with prospective customers isn't the same thing as racial or nationalistic prejudice or hatred. (See below.) Some of them lie because they believe it's their right (and not the customers') to decide that their subject-matter competence trumps their lack of English-language proficiency. The worst of the worst (again, see below) actually admit publicly (in other threads on this forum) that they lie because they know most American customers do care and would probably choose not to hire them if they're honest when asked if they're ESL.


Only you, and your armband should have the entire text of your forum post where you justify lying to customers because telling the the truth when asked about being ESL makes it "unrealistic" to expect them to use you for their projects.

You seem to have missed the entire point of this discussion. Nobody is suggesting that ESL writers can't possibly do good work, only that ESLs don't have any right to misrepresent that they're ESL. One of them has repeatedly made the ridiculous argument on this forum that nobody should expect them to be honest if it means the possibe failure to get clients who prefer native English speakers as writers. If ESLs disclose that they're ESLs -- and according to you, there's absolutely no reason for them to lie about it, anyway --that's perfectly fine. The many ESLs who choose not to be honest about it, especially when specifically asked by prospective clients, seem to agree with me that American clients tend to prefer non-ESL writers. Otherwise, they wouldn't lie, would they?

No, I don't believe you understood me at all if your conclusion was that ESLs have any "advantage" from the view of the American customer or the American student choosing a writer. Let me say it more simply this time: No American customer and no American student wants to buy any writing produced by anybody who doesn't sound the way we do in our written "voice." Customers and students who are customers get to decide for themselves what "matters" to them and almost none of them want a writer whose written English (including aspects of "good" grammar that are uncharacteristic for most Americans) just doesn't sound like them. (And the last two words of the previous sentence would be one simple example of something that's grammatically imperfect but colloguial for Americans that an ESL probably wouldn't write, substituting something instead that might be grammatically perfect but that sounds completely unnatural to our ear.)

It's much more about customers' wanting their work written by someone who sounds like they do in their written "voice." It's not really as much about English language knowledge or even grammatic perfection. There's no question that many ESL's (those who speak English fluently, that is) actually have better grammar than most ordinary educated Americans. It's the myriad different idiomatic expressions and other quirks of colloquial native speakers that ESLs frequently get wrong, and (especially) the ones that they add that native speakers would never use that makes even pretty good ESL writing very recognizable to Americans as ESL. It really is very much the same type of thing as an "accent" in spoken language and most American customers don't want their written work written in any foreign accent, regardless of how good the grammar or even the substantive work is.

Not easily and not that regularly. I routinely write a single 10-pg paper overnight and could do two in 24 hours if really necessary, but a more typical night for me (like the last 8 hours or so) would be a 1-pg paper, an 8-pg paper, and then a 5-pg paper. About 10 pages a day on average in some format would pretty much be a requirement to make any kind of a decent living doing this. Some days it's closer to 5 and other days it's closer to 15 or 20.

Your first question to me was:


That question already sounded to me like someone either showing off that he knew what "Shepardizing" is or someone hoping to find out that I didn't. In any case, here was my first response.


I'm really overflowing with the "defensiveness" and "arrogance" there, huh?

That should have been the end of the exchange. Then, instead of asking another question (if you had one) or restricting your statements of ability to yourself, you publicly announced this ridiculous conclusion that I "wouldn't be able to complete an article asking for a case analysis" which I found presmptuous and offensive, as would most other professional writers with law degrees who routinely write case analyses all the time.


You don't know the first thing about what my capabilities are or what resources I have. If you can't "complete an article asking for a case analysis" because you don't have Lexis, that's you, not me. Speak for yourself and don't publicly announce what type of projects a professional writer you don't even know can or can't write.

So I responded appropriately to that obnoxious nonsense while also directly answering your question about where I went to school:


Quite honestly, nobody with a legal education would ever use the phrase "an article asking for a case analysis and your findings of specific facts based on those cases" because it's gibberish that sounds much more like someone without any education in the field slinging "legaleze" that he thinks sounds right. In fact, I still believe that sincerely, and unlike you, I don't base my arguments on the way I "feel" about a person. When challenged by you, I took a few minutes to look around my apartment for something I could scan to prove where I got my degree without divulging my identity. Now, it's your turn, because I'm flat out saying that I doubt you're a graduate of any law school...and that's based strictly on how you use language talking about law and law school. I didn't expect anybody to just take my word for it and nobody here just takes your word for it. I don't even own a scanner and had to ask a neighbor to scan it for me.

So, post something proving your degree now or just do what anybody lying would do in this situation and announce that you have "nothing to prove" to me.

Thank you. I don't remember what I said about your language skills, but if I did criticize or ridicule them, it would have been in the context of believing that you'd been unfair in your comments here to someone else. I'm not in the habit of just jumping on anybody about language skills without some other reason for being antagonistic in my tone. Thanks for remaining objective; I've tried to as well since then.


It happens to everybody in this industry. If you write approximately 700 or 800 assignments for a few hundred different clients every year, there will be some instances every year where someone isn't thrilled with your best conscientious effort for them. It ruins your day when it happens. I've had 2 or 3 so far this year, halfway through 2012. Sometimes, clients can also be unreasonable and get angry we don't offer free revisions to add things they forgot to tell us until after the work was provided. Other times, once we explain that, they just pay for new material and there's no problem. But even in the worst case, there's a good-faith dispute about something and never about getting plagiarized work, or no work, etc.

The worst experience I had this year was for a 30-pg literature review that I was hesitant about in the first place and said so up front. The client pre-paid for the first 15 pages and sent about 25 sources. In the interim, I spoke to the client on the phone and we discovered that we had fundamental differences about our knowledge and belief on the the subject and we also had a personality conflict. We ended up shouting at one another about a nutrition topic. Since exactly half of the sources (12 or 13 out of 25) were on the half the material that we didn't have a disagreement about, I did 15 pages of the lit review on that part, using all 12-13 sources on that stuff. By that time, the customer had paid me for the second half and I refunded it in full immediately and referred her to a writer I trusted to do the second part based on the other 12-13 sources after checking with him first and sending him all the material, (and it's not the person you know and don't trust). He was standing by waiting for her to contact him but she never did.

This same client was also very upset that I changed around the structure of her paper to make the most sense to me. As I said, I write about 800 papers every year and maybe one-quarter of them provide a similar outline. I usually end up making some changes to them as I'm writing to produce the best possible paper and if I've done that already 100 times this year, I got "thank you so much" 99 times. Sometimes, customers can get overly ambitious dictating the details of writing that they're not doing themselves. Most of the time, if they were capable of fulfilling their own requirements for the project, they wouldn't be paying for my services in the first place. Every once in a while, we just outright blow a very difficult assignment that we didn't realize would be so difficult for us. That also happened to me once this year so far, and I immediately issued a 50% refund reflecting the part I just couldn't do without even being asked for it. The client wasn't happy, obviously; but there was nothing dishonest about it.

Anyway, the point is that's not a "scam" and that happens to even the best and most honest writers. As you said, I'm a genuine writer, my work is usually very good, and I'm honest and fair and appreciative of my clients and their trust. I'm not perfect by any stretch and sometimes I do make mistakes...honest ones. Of course, there will soon be two barely-English-speaking idiots chiming in about "how dare you ever change an outline?" and "why should a client have to worry about your nutrition beliefs?" and "how dare you not be 100% sure you can do a good job on any project before taking payment?" (etc), but they're not looking for any honest conversation (like you), just in sniping from the trees to "compete" with me by trying to damage my reputation. I appreciate the way you posted about it instead of using it the way they will both try to soon enough and hope you consider this a fair and direct response.

Everybody here already understands your position: Many ESL writers (like you) have no choice but to lie about being ESLs because they know full well that most American students don't want anybody who speaks and writes like an ESL doing their work. You think that's fine because you believe the ESL writers' right to take their customers' money under false pretenses trumps their customers' right to decide for themselves what kind of writer they want to use. I got it; I just strongly disagree. So does every criminal justice system in the developed part of the world when it comes to fraud in every other industry.


What else would you like me to "disclose"? I've "disclosed" exactly what essay companies I write for since the day I first joined this forum and I was recently told to stop defending them or discussing them as a condition of maintaining my membership and I've abided by that request. A few days ago, I uploaded scans to "disclose" that I earned my law degree exactly where I said I had after you and those other two idiots suggested that I'd lied about my education and started publicly congratulating one another for "outing" me. In the process, that also "disclosed" that I live and work in NYC, which is something else that you idiots have previously accused me of lying about to discredit me. What else do you want me to "disclose"? Should I "stand in the shoes" of someone who really needs money more than I do and also "disclose" my bank account and PIN for their use? My full name and street address so you nutjobs can stalk me and harass me offline too?


I know absolutely nothing about the person you're referring to except whatever everybody else here knows from previous posts and all anybody has to do be sure of that is go back to some of my earliest posts on this forum from around October 2008 to see how much we once detested one another.


There are exactly 4 types of members on this forum:

1. Writers
2. Customers
3. Company Reps
4. Company Reps pretending not to be company reps.

Nobody joins this forum just to "observe" this industry without a personal interest in it. I've always admitted that I'm here for the exact same reason as every other writer here; I just don't break any forum rules or resort to dishonest attacks on anybody else to "compete." You've clearly "disclosed" that you believe it's perfectly OK for writers to lie to customers about their native language skills because you can't compete for their business if you're honest about that. Your two friends, "Stu4" and "mre" think it's perfectly OK to "compete" by making totally false allegations about other writers and other companies. Lucky for any prospective customers (and legitimate American writers like me who speak and write in good English), their English language "skills" are clearly evident in all of their posts.


Furthermore, I'm "in your shoes" anytime a British student specifically requests a British-educated writer. I may believe that I'm qualified to do the work but if I submit a bid for it, I always admit that I'm a US native and US-educated and I never try to get their business by pretending I'm British-educated. That's all I'm suggesting ESL writers do: admit it and try your best to convince customers that you're still qualified to do the work; just stop lying to get their business under false pretenses.

I know nothing about the company, but (generally) your chance of getting a refund from any company depends on what your complaint is and whether or not they're honorable about the way they do business. If you mean what are your chances of getting your money back after a company refuses, it still depends on what your complaint is and how you paid. Paypal has a dispute process and so do credit card companies, but you still have to convince them that you didn't get what you paid for. Subjective criticism (like your personal opinion of the writing quality) probably won't result in a refund but if they missed the deadline, never provided the work, plagiarized, or left out some part of the assignment, you have a much better chance. Nobody can really answer your question without knowing what your complaint is and how you paid for the paper.

Because purposely failing to disclose something that customers obviously care about (a lot) in making their decision about what writer to hire so that they unknowingly hire an ESL is dishonest and shady. That's why.


The fact that customers don't want ESL writers doing their work is not an "issue" or a "language quirk" of the customer and it's none of your business why customers don't want to hire anybody who communicates in the broken ESL "English" evident throughout this forum in practically every post from all of you ESLs. Nobody wants to pay you for work that they're going to have to translate back into native-language-sounding English. Your "language quirks" shouldn't be a customer's problem. Most American customers simply don't want anybody whose writing sounds like that of most ESLs and that's why many of you shady dishonest ESL writers continue to try to hide the fact that you're ESL.

As Helenrob loves to say, "just let customers decide for themselves" if it matters to them whether or not a writer is a native English speaker or someone who speak English and writes English with a very thick foregin "accent." Just be honest about it because customers obviously do care very much where (and when) their writer learned English.

It's got absolutely nothing to do with the quality of my work and this wouldn't have been my choice for a writing sample to demonstrate it; this essay is thousands of essays in my past

and from my student years, long before I started writing professionally. But an allegation was made that I've misrepresented my academic background so I just dug up a few things that I

could post to refute that baseless accusation without disclosing my identity to any psychopaths. The point is simply that I've never lied about my degree, not how good my work is or isn't.

If I didn't respond, someone not familiar with who's a legitimate writer here and who's just an obnoxious, sniping clown might actually believe these two tag-teaming nutjobs and the 3rd

one whose post got deleted by the moderator. Anybody who's already a client knows my work and could call NYLS to confirm the truth; but all anybody else reading this stuff knows is

what's written in these posts. In any case, now "the clients" have a little more information to "decide" who's telling the truth here and who is just making up totally untrue malicious

nonsense to try to create doubt about the legitimacy of another writer because that's the only way they can "compete."

Let me first say that I don't think it particularly matters whether or not someone has a law degree to do what I do for a living; it really doesn't, especially for someone who doesn't claim to do any legal research. I'm not a qualified writer because of a law degree; it was being a good writer in the first place (and being very smart in just the right way for law school) that made it a pretty easy experience for me from day one.

I wasn't "bragging" about it, either. I just told another poster that he should trust someone with a law degree who's also been writing fulltime for major essay companies and freelance (obviously) for about a decade that it's totally irrelevant that we may be "independent contractors" as far as how essay companies feel about "their" independent contractors poaching company customers for freelance work and cutting out the company. Trust me: they care a whole lot and they have every right to.

As soon as this clown started asking me questions about "Shepardizing" the recent 300-pg dissertation I mentioned writing about the historical analysis of a First Amendment topic, I knew he had no real interest in the answer but was just looking for some basis to "challenge" my educational background. That's why he irritated me, but I still tried to just answer politely when he asked where I went to school and what citation style I used. Then he announces some nonsensical conclusion about what kind of writing I must be incapable of doing. How is someone supposed to respond to that intentionally insulting idiocy? (The transparent phony polite & innocent act only makes it that much more obnoxious.)

Anyway, it wouldn't be good for me if anybody here actually believed these three barely-English-speaking clowns and their totally baseless accusations about my education. So, I dug up an old paper from law school, along with the page-long letter the professor wrote me spontaneously after he read it. He was the dean of the law school before he was my professor but still a pretty busy guy when he took the time to write a letter of this length to one of the thousands of students he'd taught in his long career. I scanned his letter and the first page of the paper. The other crap superimposed over the bottom of p.2 of the letter is an old NYLS Alumni card that I never bothered to renew, a NYLS Alumni Association credit card, and the back of an old NYLS Alumni magazine from 2010. Obviously, I redacted my name and address on everything except for the city and state.

If I were going to lie about a degree in this business, I think a fake MBA would be a lot more valuable than a fake JD, and NYU or Columbia would be better NYC law schools to lie about having earned it from than NYLS. Again, I don't think it matters all that much that I have a law degree because I don't do any legal research or writing. On the other hand, it's probably not a bad thing to have a writer who's smart enough to have had a pretty easy time in law school. Admittedly, it's super valuable anytime I get those typical college business law and criminal justice assignments and law-school-style issue-spotting or case-analysis-type assignments, and I've probably written 200+ Criminal Justice papers on 4th Amendment law alone.) It's also somewhat helpful when writing about a lot of general legal topics, but anybody equally smart who writes as well as I do and just likes reading or learning about law could probably do it just as well. I'll be the first to admit that. Sorry for the lengthy post, but the point is that I don't lie about my qualifications, my experience, my business practices, my educational background, or about anything else on this forum.

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