In all fairness, "Frosticles" (that makes me chuckle) appears to have a problem with the whole industry. Posting things like "the industry doesn't pay writers" and it includes "too much frustration" while claiming to no longer be writer and still frequently the board seems a bit off, frankly. Seriously Frostat, if you aren't a writer any more, you have no reason to still be randomly posting on this board.

Well, I think that is a bit too general a statement. Maybe it didn't work for you but that doesn't mean that it isn't a paying profession. In the two years I've been doing this, I love it. It pays very well, I make my own hours, and I can work in the convenience of home everyday. No job is free from frustration and with a good support team, the frustration is minimal. It's a constant and total win.

lol.

EW, you need to reign in your co-worker.

Work finally slow down for you? I have been enjoying a self-imposed rest this last week.

Lol. You are really presenting your company and your product to your intended audience so well. I'm sure that the consumers reading this forum will love you calling them lazy and stupid. Keep posting, please.

PS - You can tell us apart by our cars. I drive a hot little convertible, WB drives a gas guzzling monster truck.

My comment was talking about the future, not the past. Their payment breakdown appears to be cyclical based upon comments by other writers.

But that's just a language miscommunication, right?

And I'm sure every writer dreams of a job where he or she has to contact support and threaten in order to get paid. I'd go sign up to work for EW now if they increased their pay, really!


Right... B/C EW is so good at honoring revision requests made by clients. Maybe you need to read the many complaints about EW written by customers to see how great your company's management is. They don't stop with lying, they continue on with complete ineptness and fraud. Woohoo.


Not the same person, try to be a bit more original or humorous in your accusations, hmm k?

And if you note, we actually tend to make different, though often complimentary arguments. But that would take reading comprehension, dear.

Wow, you are a marketing genius for EW. Really. I'm sure the consumers who browse this board will be clamoring to hire you.

Cool, then don't come here to complain when they don't pay you or don't pay you on time. You've been warned, you know they have problems, you keep putting your hand in the fire despite seeing others get burned.


I don't think that students wanting help from individuals who were educated within their own country and are therefore familiar with their system of education, citation styles, language usage and research methods are lazy or stereotyping.

You seem to have a very low opinion of your clients. That's a shame, really. With such a low opinion of your clients, I have a really hard time believing that you produce quality work.


I doubt you have evidence for this. Even if you could prove this, it doesn't matter. Why should a well qualified US or UK writer work for 4$ a page when there are legit companies that will pay them 3x that amount? So, the sample that you are using for your comparison is flawed.

Don't you work for EW? Why not ask your employers? They apparently don't feel comfortable with your skills as an ESL writer and choose to lie about your background.

I don't even know what that means. I'm not the one making accusations, you are.

Huh? You don't know me. I'm hardly an insider but more importantly, I don't work for any company that resells it's essays. In fact, if I were purely concerned only with my financial well being, I'd praise your initial post b/c it disparages the companies that compete with my employers - get it?

I'm not saying that there isn't a risk of a company reselling. However, not telling potential customers who does this really doesn't help them. Name the company and give folks real information that they can act on. Otherwise, you're just bringing up an amorphous fear in a post that really doesn't do anyone any good.

And the blackmail excuse IS silly. They can't blackmail you - you're an anon poster. If they rampantly resell their original essays, then I guarantee your not the only client to notice. Expecting that they will be able to track you down irl based upon a forum post is giving them WAY too much credit.

I think I've posted enough on this forum to demonstrate that I care about both clients and writers.

You, on the other hand, haven't. WB's right, you're just a tool posting assertions and your immediate attacks directed at me and WB sure don't look like the response of a rational person acting purely out of the well-being of others.

I think it's pretty worthless to post a blanket statement without naming the company that you encountered. It's like saying all British are smelly b/c you met one Brit who refuses to shower. And the blackmail excuse for not naming the company is just silly.

IMO - busy season is mid march to the end of may and then mid october to early december. in my experience, january is the slowest month of the year.

I consider it the height of comic praise to be complimented by a Brit. John Cleese was a visiting prof at my college and life was never quite the same. The country that produced The Black Adder and Monty Python can't be all bad.

Sorry, I'll try to stop that.

Well, come on, honestly of course they are flawed. One can't focus upon one member of a representative group (1 American co, 1 UK co, 1 whatever co) and then attempt to draw generalizations.

Let me give you an example. SolidSnake you are from the UK and male right? WB, you are from the US and female right? From this data, I conclude that All Americans are female and all Brits are male.

Great scientific method, right there.

EDIT: I had to change SS to SolidSnake to differentiate from StrugglingStudent - seriously, you guys couldn't pick names with easy initials?
That's just rude.

IF SS finds out ********* hires ESL writers, which I doubt she will but I'll grant it's possible so far, that doesn't mean that all American companies hire ESL writers any more than if UKessays hires her, that means that all British companies do. That's all I'm saying.

I frankly have a really hard time believing that the companies I work for hire ESL writers to save money and still keep me working - if ESL writers were so cost effective, I wouldn't be run ragged with work over the last month.


Well, I certainly hope so. I've been recommending to other writers that they not work for only one company for months.

When writers work for several companies, it boosts the overall quality of the industry b/c it forces companies to compete for qualified talent, which means that they treat their writers better in the long run or they lose them. Happy writers translates into much happier customers b/c when writers actually care about their job, they produce better work. Everyone wins.

/hug free market

I don't know of any reputable company that limits the amount of work that their employees take, once they have established themselves. The companies that I've worked for limit newbie writers until they prove themselves responsible and capable. Professional writers should be able to manage their time just like any other profession.

Now, to be fair, let's try to remember that the company that started this discussion is a well known fraud. The paper in question was 60 days late... that's 2 months! That isn't just a writer problem, that is, more significantly, a serious breakdown of customer services and management. Any respectable company would not let an assignment drag 60 days past the deadline without getting involved. Which is exactly why customers should seek out companies with excellent CS as well as qualified writers.

I try.

Good Luck (sorry to hear about EW, I hope that you keep trying to get your money back).

There are a lot of good freelance writing sites that feature want ads for all types of writing jobs, such as online-writing-jobs.com (one that I've used in the past). Essay companies as well as other jobs will be featured on such sites. They're probably more useful than coming to sites like this one and asking about specific companies that may or may not be hiring.

You really can't prove that ALL sites will employ ESL writers unless you test ALL sites. Of course, any and all are CAPABLE of scamming, you don't need to test for that, but the fact that many choose not to is what's important. (No heckles up, just saying). You didn't pick any of the companies that I work for which is kinda disappointing but I look forward to your results, regardless.

Really? Your pointless trolling earlier in the thread made it appear otherwise. Silly me for deciding to indulge you.

Please don't drop trollish comments and then refuse to engage in a discussion. It's rude.

SS, did you post somewhere which companies you are applying to or will you be doing that after you get results back?


Prove it! Sorry, i couldn't help myself.

So, there was another thread too? I am right in remembering that there were more posts on that linked thread and that they were removed, right?

Great, glad you agree.

Technically, the whole thread was not removed. The thread is still here: essayscam.org/forum/wc/writing-essaybuy-custompapers-essaywriters-experience-531/

There were about 4-5 posts removed but the thread is still there.

I read the post asking about ******, WB's response and then the accusations. I can see why folks might have thought WB's response was an endorsement but I also think her explanation isn't crazy. WB had already yelled at someone for not asking for not using the board appropriately and expecting her to do so again doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

And, the thread suggesting that ****** may have screwed up is still on the board. We'll see how that transaction went when the client posts an update. It is entirely possible that someone at ****** saw the complaint and did a double check to make sure that the client was being taken care of... if that's what happened, then that's good for the client.

And no, I don't work for ******.


WB, you, Struggling and I have all been "censored" by the mod. Remember that lovely thread where you first introduced yourself to the board.

Complaining about the mod is nonsense. This is a board with a mod. Don't like the mod, don't post. You're totally free to open your own forum and control it as you see fit.

I've been working. And we took a trip to Vegas for an early vacation. It's nice to know I was missed.

Who are you? Who am I trying to rescue?

A client should not need an editor to fix the spelling and grammar mistakes of a product bought by a professional writer.

That's ridiculous and it is exactly that nonchalant attitude that garners most of the complaints about the products of this industry.

Research is easy.

Electronic databases and books online make researching most topics facile.

Individuals who are degreed and working in their field will already be familiar with the body of research anyway.

Oh, and a writer who can't edit and proofread work is going to lose out on a ton of work that is exactly and only that - jobs to revise existing papers - not to mention the many jobs that do not require sources or research.

Seriously, this attitude is what contributes to the negative image of this industry. Writers should be able to write to a high standard as well as have strong research skills. Frankly, the research skills are less important if writers stick to topics with which they are already familiar.

I really don't understand why you'd offer to recommend someone for a writing job based upon some barely literate posts.

Jeez, WB cannot win.
First, she gets criticized for not being nice enough, then she gets criticized for not being mean enough.

C'est plus la change, c'est plus la meme chose.

Ilit, you can complain through paypal. You have to do it within a short period of time, like a month from the purchase, so initiating the complaint through paypal asap is important. If they don't answer Paypal, then you'll be automatically refunded after a short period of time.

Probably, but they are putting themselves at risk for doing so. There are ways to have a bit more protection within the work relationship. For example, a contract and working for companies within one's nation helps to protect a writer if things break down.

Outlandish, I thought the pimp comment was rather insightful actually. I think you are correct to use it to describe some companies, just not all of them.

It's likely that for a lot of writers, this is a supplemental form of income. It's a great part time job or a way to make extra money when you work for established companies with strong reputations and a large population of active consumers.

I doubt that many writers would want to involve themselves in the business side of the industry, particularly when enjoying this as supplemental income. I would question the wisdom behind entering into a business arrangement with strangers as well.

I think that some companies do more than others for their writers. The suggestion that all companies are "pimps" seems a bit off but I could see that applying to some of these companies that do little more than match up potential clients with potential writers. I don't think that they offer much to writers or clients.

However, the companies that I work for do the things that I have neither the time nor the inclination to do. They do the customer service, they handle payment processing and they do the marketing. They pay me on time, every time, and they let me pick the extent of work that I do, leaving me a lot of freedom to do other things as well. Seems like a win-win to me.

Jeez, I sound like a commercial.

Anyway, back to study and work.

I think you are right about that Frostat. I think one of the links suggested that researchwritingcenter was owned by the same folks from Masterpapers.

essayfraud/scam-fraud-ripoff-3.html

yup, that is correct.

OK, those were really funny, thanks for sharing struggling.

Why not suggest all writers to apply to both sites Ron? There is no rule saying you can't work for multiple companies.

I've never heard of essaysoncall. Would like to hear info about them too if anyone knows.

Take more jobs Cheap. Pick jobs with long deadlines if possible. That way, if you do have to threaten them for payment, then you'll have some bargaining room. They won't want to risk you not doing your assigned projects b/c of non-payment. Get the payment caught up and then i'd recommend leaving.

In the United States, towns that house reputable institutions tend to have sky high real estate prices and elevated prices for pretty much everything else. Everyone loves to rip off students.

But, if you're thinking grad school in the U.S., I'd strongly consider only doing so if you get paid to go to school. There are lots of opportunities for fellowships for grad students and it avoids needless debt.