Come on, each and every company stretches the truth because they write an ad copy. There is absolutely NO ONE LEGIT company that has 100% true text on their website. And that applies to each and every website out there.

The same scenario is with TV ads and still nobody believes 100% such ads. An ad in itself always stretches the truth and only a fool would try to point out inaccuracies or in an commercial ad because there will always be inaccuracies in an ad.

No, I don't defend "the crooks," I just noticed how some of you use stereotypes to defend your arguments.

Like someone called me "very ESL" then it means I'm a fraud or Ukrainian scam. Get over it, that's not how it is.

Right, but do you call them "frauds" or "criminals"? Have they stolen your identity or credit card details? Probably not.


What do you mean by "you"? One company usually has one or two owners and hire dozen of freelance writers and managers from different countries.

I know for a fact some Toyota trucks are made in Mexico.


IF it was as bad as you claim, do you think these companies would still be in existence after having done business with American or British clients for the last several years? You sound as if all their orders were unacceptable. If that was really the case these companies would have enough complaints to be shut down. But that's not the case.

You said you were hired by one of these companies and then say they only hire Indians, Africans, or other ESL writers. Unless you are from one of these countries you prove that they are in fact telling the truth and also hire American writers.


So you worked for a "foreign scam site" - you must be a scammer and fraudster too. This is where your stereotypic thinking may take you.

Ok, so which essay research website in your opinion is a classic example of a scam website? I'd like to visit it and then ask you some questions.

Seriously, I'd like to see a 'classic scam website' example. Is MasterPapers.com a good example of such site? Or BestEssays.com?

OK, I see their contact numbers (US/UK landline phones and fax):

Our Contacts

Us Sales Toll-Free:
1-800-346-9168

US Support Toll-Free:
1-866-337-9866

US Support:
1-302-289-3168

UK: 44-20-022-7240
Fax: 1-302-450-4197

Are these numbers fake, do they exist or not? I'm almost sure they are operational. Live chat support is also working.

A scam company wouldn't post their landline phones (and if they do, they would not be working).

What have I missed? I don't think it's a fraudulent website run by criminals who want to scam innocent students.

I thought a fraud is someone who takes your money, runs away, and hides. Even if they use call forwarding there must be still a real person behind it who paid for the services, for the mailbox etc.

A consensus is that we know who are the company owners and even where they live, don't we? IF they were criminals or FBI was looking for them it would be easy to find them. But that's not the case, isn't it? THey are not hiding in mountains because they don't have too. Is there any court order against them?

Why in the first place would you call them frauds or criminals if you don't have any legal order? Is it even legal to call someone a criminal if they are legally innocent?

It's not illegal to pay writer what they want (uless the writer is their slave, but that's not the case).

I'm sure you've just made up this thing about 'go fu*- yourself.'


But the system allows anyone in the world to use this forwarding feature as they wish, doesn't it. If it was ILLEGAL such system would not work this way. But it is legal and many companies do it.


Does it mean they use stolen credit cards? How can a transaction be "fraudulent" if a person (the card holder) willingly pays for it?


Hasn't Yury or Alexy (?) posted here? They live in the UK, don't they? They don't hide in the mountains. IF they are criminals, they are easy to find, aren't they? Maybe you need to get a dictionary to read the definition of a criminal?


So you THINK they are doing something illegal, but the courts and business organizations don't think so (if they did, they would shut them down).

This is an AD copy. Car dealers legally advertise they have a new BMW for $15K (and in fact they may have but only one, but not all cars at that price).


Is this a criminal offence? They could say their writer first used an email account (ie. first got online) in 1997 and that claim won't be illegal.


Now they killed anyone?


If that was the case, every product or service would qualify for a refund. Because "Misrepresentation" is in the eye of beholder. If car dealer writes in his ad that his BMW is very comfortable and I purchase it and after a few months I claim the car's seat aren't that comfortable, will I get my money back? You pick on issues which are as absurd as my examples.

Besides, the BestEssays owner lives in the UK. So any talk about him or his company being "foreign" should be void. Probably the same applies to the other companies that are being slandered here.

So will you have the guts to call them "criminals and fraudsters" just because they outsourced their customer service and use foreigners to do the job? How is it different from ESL writers writing an essay in English? They also try to talk in English to you (even though English is not their first language), don't they?


If the company is doing business or is located in the US it doesn't have to post their address.


It was proven that American writers are being hired as well. Why do you pick on ESL writers again?


Not all writers are, but some are. You probably added the word "all" yourself.


So the company is legitimate enough to do daily business with national banks, but not legitimate enough to provide the service to anonymous students? IF the company was a fraud, do you think banks and other entities the company is doing business with wouldn't notice (they had several years to notice that).


Is there any court order against them? Are there any sanctions imposed on Ukraine for hiding these "criminals" (who apparently freely travel to the UK and spend there most of their times, ie. live there?).


If I was to listen to your advice, I would land in a jail within a week. You claim that if a company does not provide me with "all information relevant to the purchase decision" then I have the right:

1. To sue that company (and win in all cases).
2. To demand a refund regardless the circumstances.

What you write is utter nonsense. Here is why - let's say I went to a barber to cut my hair. I liked the cut and the service. But after a few days I was short on cash. I knew my friend (who is gay) also used their service. So I went to the manager and told him

"Dear manager, I need a refund because you haven't informed me that you cut hair of gay people, too. I just didn't know and since I don't like gay people it was your legal duty to inform me of that. You haven't provided me with all information relevant to my purchase decision. Thank you for your cooperation, waiting for the refund."


If you carefully read the TOS you would probably notice a point about possible deductions.


The fact that you may believe in something is not equal to what others may believe in. If the feature was misleading to the point that it was illegal - it would be illegal, period.

I couldn't find an example that they claim "We ONLY hire such and such writers." Could you show me on which page they say that?


I checked it and couldn't find it.


If there were as many complaints as you suggested, the banks would not be doing business with the company. It's in the bank's rules.

So IF the company has been scamming people for the last several years then it would have easily more than allowed % of complaints = not doing business with banks any more. In other words, if the company scams their clients it would eventually be able to accept cash only. That is apparently not the case.


Let him show you if you ask him. I don't live with him but this is what I know from my private sources.


As far as I know the client doesn't care if the writer composes his paper while sitting in a bathroom or outside on his yard. The fact is the FINAL product, not the process of doing it.


No, I think you can argue just about anything. We can argue if selling knives should be legal or not (legal - when you use it to cut meat, illegal - when someone uses it to commit a crime). You showed my your personal interpretation, I showed you another interpretation is as valid and true as yours.

The bottom line is your case against all these "fraudulent sites" is very weak. You keep repeating yourself and your arguments are very easy to beat. You make a big fuss out of nothing, you focus on things that are completely irrelevant, and the only advantage you have is your English "eloquency." But talk is cheap. I'm just ashamed of you, those who call yourselves "businessmen" but still cannot be fair towards other nations and other businesses.

But I don't care because I have no connection with such businesses. I just wanted to tell you what an outside person may think after reading your stories.

I disagree. A customer may receive an inferior product (but that is not always the case since there are American/British/Canadian/Australian writers who work for these companies too). BUT the customer pays LESS than he/she would have paid using a company that is based in the US or UK. Pay less, get a little worse product. That's a simple and thougtful economic behavior.

Some of you, on the other hand, the owners of the companies based in the US or UK, try to tell the public that your competition is 'foreign scam.' Because you don't know any better and you try to use stereotypes to fool the readers.

You try to tell the readers that if you are a FIAT then you are a "FOREIGN SCAM" because you manufacture cheaper cars in a foreign country. You cry like babies because you own a CADILLAC.

That is fine that you own a Cadillac, but that is not right that you call your competition scammers. In fact, you disrespect all customers because you think they are or should be idiots if they choose to buy a worse product for less.

All you want is that all people shopping for cars (or essays) should buy your Cadillacs, even if there are cheaper versions of the products.

That is all what it's all about. You don't care about the customer, you only care about your pockets and try to play the devil's advocate at the same time. I'm sure the readers have already spotted your agenda because it is so clear to spot.

And before once again you accuse me of owning a 'foreign ripoff site', I must disappoint you. I write from the buyer/customer/reporter's perspective.

PS. I'm not really sure that Cadillacs are any better than Fiats.

If you didn't notice yet, we live in XXI century and the job is done 100% online. Who cares about the location when everything takes place on the World Wide Web?


It would probably take 10,000 words not to "lie" about qualifications because the only way of not "lying" would be to put detailed resumes of ALL writers. How do you imagine to describe the qualifications of all writers in a 500-word web copy? It is obvious they only take the best parts (that they have a few or more qualified writers based in the US or UK) and omit not the greatest facts (like that they also have ESL writers in their team).

It is not a crime they do it this way (look up: commercial ad copy). At the same time they do not lie what you are trying to insinuate. A commercial web copy is not a legal or scientific document.


See above.


Wow, so now we should get back to the 'black man' / 'white man' era? How the nationality is relevant? If you knew the owner was black or Hispanic, wouldn't you order from them? What if the owner was a woman, no good either? What you try to propose here is even illegal.


Do you mean to tell if they are black or white? Or what nationality they are?


If the hired writer is good and responsible there is no need to check for plagiarism. Besides, the customer is supposed to use the essay as a way to start their own research, isn't he?


See above.


It's a part of the marketing strategy. It is not illegal to be creative. I can award my dog "The Smartest Dog in Town" today and give him a treat for that. Then I can legally blog about it.


This argument is laughable. It is legal to pay writers as much as the writer wants to work for. If you want to get 100% of the paid money, you can set up your own business.


Again, this is an internal operation or policies. It happens in all companies, some are worse some better about it.


See above.


How do you know that, from your own experience? I read that some American companies are much "better" in that.

Let's again read bestessays.com[DND*] TOS regarding refunds:

Conditional Refund Guarantee

If you are not fully satisfied with the research product or services that is prepared and provided by our company; you can submit a refund request in writing no later than three days after the completion of your order. If your refund request is not received within 72 hours it is to be assumed among both parties that you are satisfied with your order and at that time you will not be eligible for any refunded amount. If you need to cancel your order you may do so at any time prior to the fulfillment of your order. Please note that account credits are non-refundable. All refunds and cancellations should be communicated and expressed in writing by using our order messaging system or can be e-mailed to our support department. It is the sole discretion of bestessays.com[DND*] to approve or disapprove your request on an individual case by case basis based on the violation of your user agreement. The following is a list of potential issues that may affect you in receiving your order by the requested deadline. We can not guarantee a refund of your order or services if any of the following should occur.

bestessays .com/disclaimer.php

Where does it say they will UNCONDITIONALLY refund the money if you are not satisfied?


You repeat yourself, see your point #1 above. Besides, when post comes correctly to the PO Box which is set up as an office address, HOW IS IT FAKE?


This is again a dominance of some of the American companies. But I'm sure you don't want to look into that further.

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To sum up, your case against these 'foreign ripoff companies' is very weak. To make it even weaker, just compare bestessays.com[DND*] with any "legit American" company. I could put exactly the same points you mentioned above next to them (and add a few more).

You are fooling yourself and the public. You believe in something that does not exist (or exists equally the same within the 'American' or 'legit' companies). The sooner you wake up, the better.

In this thread it was PROVEN than they ALSO hire AMERICAN WRITERS. Did you miss that point?


How do you know that? What kind of tests do American companies do? Do they call their former professors for references or tell them to write a 5-page paper for free?

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I defend them because it got to the point it's impossible to read all these accussations by those who don't look and tidy their own backyard first.

Again, your biggest advantage is your excellend command of English, but as far as facts are concerned they are all twisted or exaggerated.

I'm not going to post more in this thread because I have no interest of doing so other than to defend good business practices and fairness in dealing with competition.