You have got to be kidding. OF COURSE THEY STORE AND KEEP FOREVER YOUR WORK, and pay you nothing for making money off of your work. Needless to say, there is also a risk they COULD abuse your work, and ultimately get you in trouble.

HAS ANYONE ACTUALLY READ THE TERMS OF USE you must agree to before you use writecheck.turnitin.com?

What they say they do, and what they have you agree to allow them to do with your work, are two very opposite items.

All you can do is hope they do what they say on their site, and not what their Terms of Use says they can do.

Nothing is safe, apparently. If writecheck was what it says it is, there would be no need for such an onerous agreement, since THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED


TO STORE OR ARCHIVE ANYTHING YOU SUBMIT.

You pays your money and you takes your choice.

The one thing that SHOULD NOT happen is turnitin showing your submission to writecheck as plagiarized when you or anyone else uses turnitin to check it.

READ PLEASE
WriteCheck User Agreement

writecheck.turnitin.com/pricing_signup.asp

"License to Use Papers Submitted. With regard to papers submitted to the Site, You hereby grant iParadigms a non-exclusive, royalty-free, perpetual, world-wide, irrevocable license to reproduce, transmit, display, disclose, archiveand otherwise use in connection with the Services any paper You submit to the Site. Please note that papers submitted to the Site are not read or reviewed by any individuals, but rather are only analyzed using the Service."

Undertow2, Perhaps that means you surf in Rio, Brazil, worst undertow I have ever experienced, and a friend of mine died there as a result.

First, Humble, How do you do that quote stuff. When I do it, there is no highlighting.

Second, I and everyone I know Always WRITES OUR OWN WORK AND WE DO OUR OWN RESEARCH.

Third, if you have ever read anything about what is considered plagiarism then you know the definition can be as narrow as quoting "ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country" without referencing JFK, or as broad as ALL PARAPHRASING OF SOMEONE ELSE'S IDEA without referencing that work, to plagiarizing YOURSELF. I can give you references from the narrow to the broad, but you can find most of it on turnitin.com. It is an interesting read.

Clearly, when anyone and everyone writes their own work or research, they think it is original, done for the first time in their own way, but generally it is not. What is needed is to have a tool that can check your work, and tell you when you have missed a reference for an idea or have inadvertently quoted someone without realizing it, simply because THEY SAID IT FIRST. Most often ethical people don't even know they are repeating someone. For example "if I had more time, I would write a shorter letter" is most often attributed to Ben Franklin, but in actuality, if you research that phrase, you find that the correct reference is not Ben nor Samuel Johnson, as so many English teachers think, but actually in my research in defense of of a friend accused of plagiarizing it:

So you see fellows and ladies, when you really get into plagiarism and your database includes all the written work since the beginning of time, you find that RARELY is there any original work, and one must ethically REFERENCE properly. The plagiarism checkers are not designed to help people steal credit for essays they have not written or research they did not do, they are designed to HELP ETHICAL PEOPLE THAT DO THEIR OWN WORK, credit the work of people before them that their current ideas are built upon, whether they could have really seen that work or not.

In actuality, true definition of Plagiarism is copying someone's idea or work, but implied is that YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN IT TO COPY IT. If you did know it existed, then you did not plagiarize. However proving a negative is impossible. Most honest people will be found to have inadvertently plagiarized because they may have copied someone's work through a surrogate, because everything we learn IS taught by people that have all regurgitated books and previous work written, or likely too, we as humans are bound to say or write things identically to someone who has said it before in our several thousand year written history.

Humble,

"1-Plagiarism detector I talked about is different from Jeffery'
Actually it does not appear to be different, please see = https://essayscam.org/forum/gt/best-tool-plagiarism-checking-995/#msg192 17 Or plug in that site into any whois search engine and you find it goes back to the servers in Ukraine.

This is for the one you mentioned = plagiarism-detector.com

I do not know about Eve

"2-Even if the program is installed on your system, it can send the documents to a remote server." Is this about Eve?

Certainly I realize that is true, which is why I would like to find one that WORKS on one's own computer checking one's original work against the external databases and Internet, to be sure I have control over my work, and I have given proper credit to others whose work I may have never seen or know about.

Think of it this way, Copyright infringement in music is copying 12 notes. Yet with the millions of songs out there, how can any composer know if they have copied 12 notes somewhere in their music. Mathematically it is likely to occur, worse, they will not realize they have heard the song somewhere in their life, incorporated into their subconscious, and now in the depth of musical genius, they think that it has come forth as original music, when in actuallity it has not. Worse it might be 12 notes, THEY really did think up on their own, but someone else HUMAN did it already long before them and published it. Clearly it is not copying if they never heard it, but since the original author has no way to know that, it is assumed they have heard it and have copied it. Since we are all human, growing up in similar cultures, languages, thought, written work and anything we create is likely either be built on other people's work, or perhaps thought up by someone we are completely unaware of or had the opportunity to experience when we thought it up ourselves.

Example, I created an invention, only to find out when I went to investors, a 2 month search of the industry found someone else had created it and patented it 10 years earlier. I had never seen that work, but yet there it was.

So in the final analysis, what a plagiarism checker is supposed to do is help us be ethical BEFORE THE FACT by telling us when we HAVE NOT referenced other people's work properly, whether we have seen it or not, somewhere in our written human history. Yet most often it is used AFTER the fact to try to punish people that genuinely have done their own work, but somehow have not referenced work written somewhere on this planet some time before, that they likely have never seen. Clearly, I am not talking about the guilty that intentionally plagiarize but try to disguise their work, since they should be caught. But the innocent should not be penalized for not knowing every written word that is presented in ever book, library, or Internet website, that exists, but yet they have not seen, or worse, forgetting to reference a work they forgot they read, but had no intention of plagiarizing, because they do not have a running footnoter in their brain.

So is there a Plagiarism Checker that works on one's computer checking against the growing external databases and Internet, and does not upload the file to any external source? similar to the way patent searches work. Clearly when you are trying to patent an item, you do NOT want to upload your work anywhere to have it checked. You would like to keep your work secret, and check the external databases FIRST, before presenting your work for patent.

Regards,
Helpful Joe

Humble

Aren't you worried about WB's warnings about plagiarism-detector.com and Jeffery and the Ukraine connection?

Regarding writecheck.turnitin.com
Have you read their TOU agreement? I do not think you realize they keep your work on file anyway, but just in a different database. I describe that problem here:

https://essayscam.org/forum/gt/warning-use-viper-raptor-plagiarism-scanner-1062/2/#msg19157

Interesting that canexus.com wasn't accessible the other day an now it is.
Is their service working again?

ALso, does this service work on one's own computer, or do you still have to upload the file to their system, losing all control over your own work.

The only way to maintain control of your own work is to have whatever program or service work on one's own computer, without uploading the file, which gives them control over your work. Trusting these guys is not an option, since they can do whatever they want with your work, and it would be very hard to have any recourse, after the fact.

Helpful Joe

humble

"I second WB do not use any online tool. Especially the free ones. I used EVE (essay verification engine) for sometime but their service stopped working. I also use Plagiarism Detector."

plagiarismdetector.com apparently is no longer a plagiarism site. Some squater using it as a redirect search engine

plagiarismdetector.net does not exist

plagiarism-detector.com looks like it may be owned by Jeffery the guy that WB writes about at plagiarismdetect.com

As everything leads back to Ukraine. See below

Registrant:
Alex Tsebro +1.6477224202
TANGRAM CANADA INC.
24 MABELLE AVE.
TORONTO,ONTARIO,CA M9A 4X7

Domain Name:plagiarism-detector.com
Record last updated at 2009-02-17 02:34:30
Record created on 2007/8/10
Record expired on 2010/8/10

Domain servers in listed order:
ns3.tangramltd.com
ns5.tangramltd.com

Administrator:
TANGRAM UKRAINE Ltd. .ua +38.0445319597
TANGRAM UKRAINE Ltd.
04205,KYIV
KYIV,UA,UA 04205

Registration Service Provider:
name: TANGRAM CANADA INC.

Also, I have been trying to find eve software. Is that an online service that no longer is active or a software program that can be downloaded and works on one's own computer to check the document, checking against the Internet and databases but does not upload the written work to any online service. In other words the the paper, one's own work, always remains safely on one's own computer, under one's full control.

So Humble, what exactly are you using that you consider safe to use?

Helpful Joe

Humbble, WB, exwriter, and OxbridgeResearchers

You should read the terms of use agreement (TOUA) that is required by writecheck.turnitin.com as well as turnitin.com's TOUA.

Here, it is draconian.
Here is the important part:
"License to Use Papers Submitted. With regard to papers submitted to the Site, You hereby grant iParadigms a non-exclusive, royalty-free, perpetual, world-wide, irrevocable license to reproduce, transmit, display, disclose, archive and otherwise use in connection with the Services any paper You submit to the Site. Please note that papers submitted to the Site are not read or reviewed by any individuals, but rather are only analyzed using the Service." They also have a write to change the agreement at any time unilaterally. Seems very similar to viper. (Side note, I am having trouble finding the difference between viper and rapter anywhere, and the scanmyessay.com site does not seem to be well maintained as to links or information to that end.)

Sounds a lot like what WB has been inflammed over with his original Warning post. It seems all of these sites have something similar.

Here is the main problem, as I see it. No one cares if papers are used to check plagiarism, unless you really DO want to be paid for THEIR making money off of your work. However, the problem arises when you submit a paper, THAT IS ORIGINAL, and then someone else submits your paper to check it, usually without your knowledge, like a publisher, and finds IT IS PLAGIARIZED. Why, because of this from writecheck.turnitin.com

writecheck.turnitin.com/pricing_signup.asp?r=69.5288773855708&svr=1 &

"What if I've submitted my paper to Turnitin already?

WriteCheck is intended for papers that have not yet been submitted to Turnitin. If your paper has previously been submitted to Turnitin, it resides in the student paper database. In this situation, you should not use WriteCheck because the analysis will result in a very high number of matches, due to the paper being compared against itself. You will not be able to distinguish between these self-matches and those against other sources. If you have questions, please contact Help through the link at the bottom of the page. "

Ask yourself WHY the writecheck site needs this TUOA statement, IF as they say, THEY do not retain a copy of your work, and therefore are providing simply a service YOU PAY for to HELP you reference your material properly. Cough Cough.

Since their privacy statement, which you should also read, prevents them from telling anyone about you, without a subpoena and legal right to disclose that information, what the publisher will see or Law School professor, is that YOU ARE A PLAGARIZER! fortunately, it is only to your own work, and you are innocent of the charges. Easy to prove? NO!

There is no paper trail that you can point to that you can use to defend yourself in this circumstance, since you are already accused, tried and convicted once the results come back to whomever is checking your work. IF they decide to share that information, AND give you a chance to defend yourself, you will NOT be able to ask turnitin.com for the data to vindicate yourself, cause first they do not have that service, and second, the work YOU gave your teacher, employer, or publisher has been turned in by them, and turnitin cannot release that information without violating their PRIVACY.

I am sure you can see how this can get out of hand. Further as the database gets huge, you will be convicted of plagiarizing items YOU HAVE NEVER seen simply by the shear mathematical probability that people in a similar culture say things similarly, and often identically. Everything we are taught has been a regurgitation of something we heard or read, WITHOUT a running endnote, reference, or footnote. So to put it bluntly, there are rare occasions of original thought, but most of what we know is built on what we have been told. Since our brains do not have running references, we will at some point repeat or think in a way we have been taught and write the same way. Without going into the ludicrous strict definitions of plagiarism, should you decide to say, "the sun is 93 million miles from earth." without a reference, you could and in one environmental class I was involved with, a student WAS accused of plagiarism. But I digress.

The point is if you are ethical, and want to be sure your work is referenced properly, you must be able to retain the copyright to your work, and you must NOT be falsely accused of plagiarism, simply because you used one of these services to help you to reference the work properly. Yet there, at the moment, seems to be no such thing that will prevent you from plagiarizing your own work, once submitted by anyone. That also begs the question, once Person A submits your work with or without your knowledge and/or permission for checking, Person B, who also submits your work for whatever reason will find it plagiarized, as described above, and so on. In this Interconnected world, no one has any idea who will use your work for what end, or how many times it might be submitted for checking by people or entities unbeknownst to you.

The only plagiarism service that would be safe to use is one that checks against published/Internet works, so that you can reference your work to what you could POSSIBLY have seen. For example, a friend of mine was falsely accused of plagiarizing a Scottish work that could only have been seen by Faculty at that University, and he was in Los Angeles, which meant he could NOT have seen it to plagiarize it. He at the time was a high school student having nothing to do with Scotland or that Univeristy. Yet with the behemouth database of turnitin.com somehow that work from Scottland was in the database and worded the information, 3 lines in the entire paper, i.e 1%, the same way. Somehow, with turnitin.com technology/crawler the teacher was given a link to that work. When the student trying to defend himself said he never saw it, and requested a way HE could have gotten to that website, without the link provided by turnitin.com, there was NO WAY. It seems turnitin.com like google has technology that can hack other databases, and get information you and I will never know existed, or could possibly have access to, ETHICALLY. I found turnitin.com's hack of that Scottish database, unethical. Yet the ethical student got a Zero and and F in the class.

This is dangerous stuff on both sides of the debate.

Yours Truly,
Joe

One more thing, if you happen to want to use viper or raptor, you will be unable to, since the registration does not work. When you register, it is supposed to send you a password, which DOES NOT COME. Also, the link to raptor does not work, so there is no way to use the online service either. Carly and Jennifer's have been spending their time here rather than supportting their own product, making the worry about the service irrelevant. :P.

Also, there does not seem to be a support page to even inform them of any problems users might have, or potential users, so that seems odd for a company that claims, as Jennifer and Carly has, that they are trying to take care of their users and form relationships.

I have submitted notification through their contact us, cause this world badly needs a service that can help people, ethical people, properly reference their work without penalty for using the service that is supposed to help them.

Oh well, the world is not as one suspects it should be. :-(

Helpful Joe

One more thing, if you happen to want to use viper or raptor, you will be unable to, since the registration does not work. When you register, it is supposed to send you a password, which DOES NOT COME. Also, the link to raptor does not work, so there is no way to use the online service either. Carly and Jennifer have been spending their time here rather than supporting their own product, making the worry about the use of the service irrelevant. :P.

Also, there does not seem to be a support page to even inform them of any problems users might have, or potential users, so that seems odd for a company that claims, as Jennifer and Carly has, that they are trying to take care of their users and form relationships.

I have submitted notification through their contact us, cause this world badly needs a service that can help people, ethical people, properly reference their work without penalty for using the service that is supposed to help them.

Oh well, the world is not as one suspects it should be. :-(

Helpful Joe

Oh well, cannot use contact us, either.

This is the error message:
Notice: Undefined index: ScanMyEssay Contact Form in C:\Home\s\c\scanmyessay\www\mail\process.php on line 45

Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at C:\Home\s\c\scanmyessay\www\mail\process.php:45) in C:\Home\s\c\scanmyessay\www\mail\process.php on line 97

Guess they cannot afford to take care of their service or website very well.
Too bad. Or maybe that is good, depending on your point of view. The company itself has made WB's desire that no one use their service a fact, because no one can, at the moment.

HelpFul Joe