The tag team duo get into the ring together!

Two writers who defend the practice of blindly soliciting clients through the forum, to the point that they'll resort to crude sexism and ad hom attacks. Yeah, these are two clowns everyone should solicit for work.

You're one of those writers that promises an original dissertation in 24 hours too, huh? If it's a long project, it can and will easily go past the paypal deadline. Or there will be revision requests, or delays that look totally legit as the days tick down, a book being waited on via interlibrary loan, the chance to do a bit more research, a family emergency... and all the while the ability to get reimbursed fades away.

Bottom line though: your claim that paypal is safe is false, people still can and do lose their money.


Scrupulous writers wouldn't break forum rules.


Except you're the mugger and not the tourist.

I guess I hit a nerve by threatening a means of income for you. Don't worry you can find other work! Stand up comedy perhaps!?!

And that's convenient, isn't it? So FW gets to wash himself of wrongdoing with an insincere apology while his advertising stays up.

If FW were actually sincere, he could easily contact the mod to request it be changed.

You should probably read up a bit on Paypal. There is a strict period of time in which a refund must be requested. If the client doesn't request it in time, they're out of luck.

The forum provides the way for unscrupulous writers to solict work. It also provides a way for desperate clients to agree to work with any yahoo with an account. (All against the rules of course, but it's clear some people on this forum don't care about the rules).

I notice you didn't deny the fact that people have already been scammed this way.


I guess you'd know.

So how many deals have you worked out using this forum? You seem to be quite the expert.

Rorshach - The response totally depends on the company. Some will get back to you routinely within hours while others may not send you anything until they return your money the following billing cycle. I don't know about essaywriters.co.uk personally. ET will be looking to find you a writer (something that can be difficult this time of year) and if they don't find one for your project, you may not receive the response you want. Don't be afraid to call a company and talk to someone directly if you are short on time.

We're all in the middle of busy season so not finding you a writer (depending on your project parameters/subject/deadline) is a pretty strong possibility. Good luck and I hope it works out with one of them.

Oh really, so how does someone collect money from an anonymous email address who contacted them over the net for work?

People get ripped off via this method on this forum all the time. There've been too many past posts from people claiming to be contacted by a writer who paid and got nothing. Pretending that this is a safe form of transaction isn't responsible.

Maybe at a superficial level Pheelyks. Res ispa only works if the plaintiff didn't contribute to the behavior. FW's lies and advertising would negate that application. Prima facia would have been funnier.

But then the real humor is FW bringing up an evidentiary standard at all. Though maybe that is more irony rather than humor.

Rorshach, no one can promise you that you won't end up wasting time and money. You may even find yourself disastified with a company that is considered legit by the members of this forum, that's just how things are.

But I would suggest that you ignore any private solicitations that you may receive from people claiming to be writers on this forum. In such cases, you have zero recourse to get a refund if something goes wrong.

I actually don't believe you. If you didn't care, you wouldn't take the time to make up lies.


So your claim that I work for fraudulent websites that lie to and cheat their customers was what? A fiction? A hypothetical?

Face it, you've lied about me twice now and you're busted. Once could have been a mistake, but repeating the lie again after being corrected by two people? Nah...


B/c lying is so much easier.


You lied about who I worked for in April and you did it again in December. In both cases, you suggest I work for frauds that can't compete with your employers, even though you know nothing about my employment situation. Hence, "months later." Are you caught up in the conversation yet?


And yet, that doesn't stop you from typing...

In December:


In April:



Stop posting like you do.


Your apologies are worth nothing. You "apologize" about advertising yourself but don't remove the post. Then, you "apologize" about lying about me (again) but keep using vulglar language (justified by a blatant misuse of a legal concept lol... so this is why you write instead of practice, huh?). Everything you write suggests that you'll just repeat the lie in a couple of months and then claim your ignorance as a defense.

String together some more Latin in your next post to try to sound sm3rter.

That's woefully apparent.


Nope, again, either a lie by you or an example of a very faulty memory. Which is it?

I'm not "guilty of the exact same thing." Unlike you, I make sure I know what I'm talking about before I post. I'll gladly refresh your memory however. This thread:

https://essayscam.org/forum/es/legitimate-writing-sites-347/#msg13257.

This comment:


Called me the C-word and then accused me of working for a foreign company that lies about its location, lies about its writers' quals and cheats customers. All you, all false and without a shred of evidence.

In fact, your accusation was so off base that not only did I deny it, but WB also corrected you:


Now, you didn't bother to answer after being corrected by both of us but apparently that didn't get through your thick skull b/c now you're back to the same accusation a few months later.

My approach to this forum is pretty simple. If you don't A) use it to advertise your services or B) make dishonest statements, you won't have a problem with me. Unfortunately, you seem to make a habit of doing both.

You should really just stop posting now. I'll believe your "apology" is sincere when you edit your post removing the information about your subject areas. Until you do, it's clear you're just leaving it up to continue to promote yourself.

WB - I appreciate your sentiment and planned to stop until FW's latest post. Since FW's now established a pattern of lying about who I work for, figured here is as good a place as any to keep track of the accusations, for when he does it again in a couple of months.

This is a lie. What honest company have I defamed? Prove this or shut up. Over 500 posts by me to go through on this forum and you won't find a single one involving an outright lie against an honest company. My comment about being "classy" wasn't directed at the company you work for but at your willingness to quickly descend into vulgarity when you're confronted for your behavior. Again, your lousy reading comprehension skills get the better of you.


More lies by you. What civil law am I breaking? Who am I defaming? You accused me of being a foreign crook the last time I called you out for advertising on this forum, you're the only one who's engaged in defamation. I'm starting to really wonder if you really have a law degree now lol.

I'm an American writer and I work for only legit companies. Anyone who's read my posts knows that. We may even work for some of the same companies.

I'm also a writer who has managed to be a member of the forum for a lot longer without getting banned b/c I don't break the rules. The difference between you and me is that I honor the rules of this forum while you use it to w*0re your services. You make the rest of the writers who visit this forum look bad and you make the companies that you work for, particularly ET, look bad.

See WB, it's really not about you. And please note: I had no intent to discuss this with you further until you directly addressed me.

But I'm happy to end the exchange, if that is what you want. I'll choose to look at the bright side of our discussion.

You and I agree that FreelanceWriter is, once again, breaking the rules of the forum. That's good enough for me.

Here's to hoping he gets banned, again.

None of that is a defense of Stu4. I took no position on Stu4's professional or criminal background.

Stu4's criminal background also does not negate the veracity of his claim, which was that FW was advertising himself via the forum (again) and that you (WB) were not calling him out on it. You then admitted to not correcting FW in this thread and only did so when I pressed. You clearly understood that FW is once again breaking forum rules. You also know he's been banned for it in the past. Why do you refrain from correcting FW when you've made it amply clear you'll criticize others, multiple times?

Eh, where did I defend Stu4?

PS - Are you capable of refraining from vulgarity WB? I haven't cursed at either FW or you, I'd appreciate the same degree of civility.

FW: Ah, so you posted your writing areas as a response to lies about a reputable company? Oh, that explains everything.

Funny that you resort to petty insults b/c you know you have no argument.
No response to WB agreeing that you broke the rules, again, huh?

Pity that ban didn't teach you anything.

WB, since you addressed me directly, I'll respond. But since you're the one who is choosing to defend FW, it sure looks like you are trying to draw out the conflict betweeen us and not me.

Look at post #19 in this thread. He clearly quoted Biennist and then posted his subject areas in the same post. There is no attempt to quote radicalrev, that's all you.

But really, is that your defense of FW? Do you want me and every other writer on this forum to start soliciting work as blatantly as FW has, on multiple occasions, and then give all writers the chance to post their quals?

That seems to me to be a pretty lousy direction for the forum.

Not to mention it's still breaking the rules of the forum, regardless of your attempt to defend him.

I will never understand why you continue to defend FW when he's a frequent and flagant rule-breaker on this forum.

WB, it's puzzling that, for this thread, you can be bothered to call Stu4 a criminal and you can accuse me of liking conflict, but you selectively choose to not point out FreelanceWriter's blatant advertising again. It can't be that you won't do it now b/c you have done it on another thread, you have no problem calling out others multiple times for doing the same thing (hence, stu4 getting called a criminal again, ad nauseum, by you).

How about this as an extension of an olive branch? Admit on this thread that FW's post breaks rule #9 and should get him banned again and I won't address you again on this thread. You've had a couple of chances to do it so far, on this thread, and chosen not to, so just do it now and eliminate my concern.

Fair enough?

A classy post as always FreelanceWriter. I hope you don't use $ for 's' in your paid work.


There is nothing in Biennist's post that said s/he wanted to request you on ET. Here is the post in its entirety.


That's a general request about finding out writer quals and not remotely a request for your writing competencies.

You may be on OK writer, I don't know, but your reading comprehension blows.

But hey, if the readers are lucky, you'll get banned,again.

Sorry to hear about your back.

There used to be lists posted of scam sites on the web. Not sure that any remain available anymore, they were likely taken down for legal reasons but I've been out of the loop a bit so not 100% sure.

Your best bet may just be to scan through forums like this one and avoid the sites that come up as website titles. Pretty much every company will have some complaint somewhere but avoiding the 'frequent flyers' will help to limit your risk at bit.

Also, confirm the location too before you order. You're in much better shape dealing with a company in your own country.

Usually, talking to someone in customer support on the phone or even via online chat should be enough to let you know if you want to spend your money there.

Good luck with your study efforts.

Funny, I'm gone for months and the forum is exactly the same.

FreelanceWriter is still out advertising his services (something he's been banned for in the past) by posting his background and subjects (there was zero reason to post all his writing areas). If you're this desperate to get more work, you're not as busy as you claim to be.

WB doesn't bother to point out that FreelanceWriter is recommending ET by calling it legit, despite accusing me and others of recommendations for doing exactly the same thing. Where is that holy indignation now? Oh that's right, it's about ET so it's OK.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la meme chose.

Factually incorrect. When working for a legit company, a freelance writer certainly will sign a contract. Common elements of that contract include the legally binding promise made by the writer to not resell a project written for the company to a third party later and the promise to not plagiarize. If the company incurs a loss due to the writer engaging in either of these two activities, the writer is responsible for those losses.

Also, a customer certainly has legal recourse to essay writing services. However, jurisdiction is a real concern as customers in one country can have an extremely difficult time filing a claim against a company located in a foreign company. Which is why I always recommend customers hire companies located within their own nation.

I'm not interested in the ongoing slugfest but I thought it would be wise to step in and correct the error so readers know what's up.

Good point EW. I make the point about my background simply in the interest of accuracy. I have a rather interesting ethnic background and a heritage that I'm proud of, it just does not include any folks in Russia.

And we bought Transporter one on blueray b/c that is one of those movies that watches well on blueray, but haven't seen 2 or 3. Not sure I could sit through another of those, my good wife watching crappy action movies quota fills up pretty quickly.

How is my post a promotion? Someone posted saying the Term Paper Writers site was down and I visited the site and said it is not. I then reiterated the mod's post about NOT recommending companies, including TPW. That's not a promotion is any way, shape or form. In fact, in the part of my post that you didn't quote, I pointed out that there are multiple legit companies that I have worked with personally.

And again, I'm not Russian and I'm not WB, but you'll just keep repeating the lie b/c you don't actually care about being honest or providing any proof to back up your statements.

I KNEW you were really Stan Lee!
lol.

Jennifer, I can assure you, IF I were the owner, I would have banned you a long time ago. As you have not been banned, I'm guessing that the mod is enjoying your posts for entertainment value, which I admit is pretty high.

The next accusation will be:
EW_Writer and Lavinia are the same person!

Stay tuned!

Again, for the reading impaired: WB and I are not the same person. I have one account and have had 1 account since I joined this forum back in 2007. WB and I have disagreed on multiple occasions in different threads, proving we're 2 different people who hold very different opinions.

I don't own the website. In fact, when this site was threatened to be close b/c of a suit, I offered publicly to offer a new forum if that happened as a courtesy to the readers. I don't work for ********* and, if I remember correctly, I have said very little about ********* in the 2 years I've been a member. I think I've been most vocal about the company when criticizing those who promoted it.

I'm also American, something that EW will attest to since we've had some engrossing debates over the years about national origin and writing ability.

The facts don't match your claimed reality. Is that why you make multiple accounts, so you have someone to agree with your delusions?


I'd bother to answer Carrie4tungtung's posts but I'm guessing we can soon add Carrie4tungtung to the list:


Multiple personality disorder can be helped with care and meds. Get help!

WB and I are not the same person. I don't own ********* nor am I employed by them.

Jennifer, your lies prove you to be a contemptuous fraud. If anyone believes your lies, all the more pity for them.

Your account will no doubt eventually be banned, like the long list of frauds who attempt to spread lies and misinform consumers. Bye.

LOL.

Sometimes I love this forum. It is always good for a laugh.

Andy, you do have some options. Talk to customer service and explain the situation - describe the specific problems with the paper (grammar, spelling, wrong format, off topic, etc) see if they will have another writer rewrite or edit the paper, as one option. CS should be fair in its evaluation of the quality of the paper. The second option (perhaps tied to the first) would involve at least a partial refund. You should also express frustration at the delays.

I certainly don't think you should do nothing or chalk it up to a loss - let Helpful Essays CS propose solutions to the problem and see if you can improve the situation through customer service.

WB, I suggest that you learn to ignore posts instead of always having this compulsive need to have the last word (no matter how obnoxious or incorrect) on everything.

I'll gladly set the example and ignore your next response.

Sorry Mifffy, some people just do not get it.

Seriously WB, you just added 2 posts that have NOTHING to do with Mifffy's problem. It is like you are psychologically incapable of allowing people to discuss their topic of interest without finding a way to make yourself the center of attention.

For Mifffy's sake, I'm not going to bother to respond to your particular comments.

WB, can you stop talking about yourself to let this thread focus on its subject? Thanks.


And Mifffy, while I won't recommend a specific company in this post, I would strongly suggest that, if you look to hire someone again, hire through a legit company that will offer more protections for you. As a writer, I'm always leery of directly working with a client b/c of the risk of fraud and, as you can see, that risk hits the client as well.

Good luck to you and please let us know how it all works out.

Mifffy, in all honesty, you should probably not plan on receiving the order from this hired writer and look into another option.

How long is your extension? Depending on the topic and the dissertation requirements, you might be able to find another writer to complete the project in a relatively short period of time.

I would suggest applying to several different companies. When you find a couple you think you like, do some net searches and some forum searches here to look for any complaints or warning signs. You wouldn't really want to work for just 1 company anyway- the wider variety of companies promises a better variety of interesting projects.

So I'm the reason that you are being nicer? That's awesome, proves that I did some good.

Proud Rule #5 "Whiner" here.

If they're established, it should be relatively easy to find information about a freelance writer's credentials through the internet. Individuals are able to type my name in google and find out where/when I graduated, my degrees, some accomplishments, and even find some writing samples. It should really be like that for anyone legit.

Andy, I hope that your paper works out and that you post to let us know.

However, just a warning - prepare to be attacked if you claim that the order doesn't work out - cuz that's just how some folks on this board like to roll.

Hmm... Post from Yesterday:


You must measure "quite some time" in seconds and minutes.


IF it's true that your posts are less obnoxious, abrasive and rude than usual, the improvement in tone demonstrates the USEFULNESS of my argument.

But don't waste time arguing with me when you can be insulting EW-Writer, defending ********* or making unevidenced assertions about humble's language knowledge.

Yes, within a short period of time. Complain through paypal ASAP - if you delay, you'll lose your chance for them to give you a refund.


One can only hope.

Keep arguing for enforcement of Rule #6 while breaking #5 lol.

I'm sorry this happened to you. This is exactly why forum visitors should not solicit writers through this forum - there are zero protections or guarantees. I hope you paid by credit card, paypal or some other system that will allow you to get a refund. Get a refund and please post the name of the writer to help warn other visitors (and perhaps get the mod to ban the account).