It's actually not. As you said, state law can be stricter than federal and the reverse, but if the federal law contradicts a state law, the state law is invalid. This is a core tenet of a federal system. Today's marijuana laws in states like Washington and Colorado are great examples. While those states now allow recreational use, federal law still prohibits it, and they can still be prosecuted in Federal court regardless of the state law. Sodomy is another example, where may states prohibit it, but thanks to Lawrence v. Texas, those laws are unconstitutional and unenforceable. This is the basis for my statement that Federal law always wins out, the implied scenario being that Federal law and State law were at odds. If X is legal federally but illegal in a state, the state law is upheld in that state. Fireworks are legal in some states, not in others. That is a situation where the federal and state laws are not in conflict.

That said, I made it abundantly clear that my copyright statement was how we assign the copyrights to our customers under work-for-hire rules of copyright. At no point was that asserted as a defense for anything. The copyright issues and academic issues are indeed separate, and do not interfere with each other. With today's byzantine licensing of IP, it is entirely possible for a student to adhere to every academic integrity rule and still violate copyright, or to break every single academic integrity rule and still be completely within the law with respect to copyright. They do not somehow interlock.

No state law trumps federal law, ever. You clearly haven't the faintest clue what you're talking about, as your first response is always an insult. I've extended olive branch after olive branch, and you keep responding with vitriol. I almost feel bad for you in your daily life, to be so hateful all the time. Almost.

This is my final reply, as I'm really tired of your insults. Here's the relevant section for essay mill: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essay_mill#Legal_status

And, it's actually incorrect, or at best incomplete. First, it states the practice is not illegal, so thanks for calling me a doofus then pointing me to a document that agreed with me. Second, WE (I can't speak for other companies) actually operate as work-for-hire writers, which under copyright law makes the customer the holder of copyright.

Lastly, I thank you for those links to the various laws in a number of states. It looks like in several states it's a civil infraction, as opposed to criminal, which is an interesting line to draw by their legislatures. I can only imagine how rare actual enforcement is. That said, you're completely correct and I was wrong, and I thank you for the pointers. However I lament that it took such a contentious and derisive conversation to goad you into simply backing up your assertion. I wish you simply could have pointed those links out earlier on, rather than taking post after post simply to express insults and mockery. I would ask you to explain how I'm endangering an industry that appears to be unlawful in several states any more than any other company is, but I'm afraid I have neither the patience nor desire to go through five or six more rounds of vehemence from you. Aside from a single post with those links, you never attempted to explain anything to me, you simply launched personal attack after insult. Your view of your own behavior is suspect at best.

As it happens, I'm not in any of those states, so I'm not going to worry too much. Even if a state AG from any of those states decided to tilt at windmills, it would be difficult at best to demonstrate either jurisdiction or standing. Thank you for the information, though.

If my ignorance is so staggering, please take my invitation to educate me. I am sincere, not simply looking to argue. In my years in this industry, I have yet to discover any laws making this business illegal, and given my knowledge of the law, I strongly believe this business is completely legal. Why I needed to say that yet again, I don't know but hopefully it's enough for you to simply link me your other comments where you outline what laws make this illegal. I tried searching your comment history, but most of what I saw was other arguments with other people, including quite a number from a "queen sheba" who seems to be even less accommodating than you are. If I'm such a danger, then please take a moment to clarify exactly what laws make me wrong. I'm not your enemy, I don't even know you, but if you want me to learn from you, you need to provide me with some evidence.

Wow, I'm endangering an entire industry! Mom always said I'd go far!

writers2beware: Can you link me to a post where you outline what laws bar my operation? Please? I've asked several times, and you keep saying they exist, but have yet to even link me to another post. If you wish to prove me wrong, I can do no better than this invitation to demonstrate that fact.

Well, i think it's clear. I'm sorry you disagree. I'll take your polite suggestion taht it be rewritten under consideration, however no one so far has found it confusing.

We don't use anything against our customers, that would be suicide. You clearly have a chip on your shoulder, and I'm unlikely to solve that. I'm sorry we couldn't find civil common ground.

I didn't ignore it. I replied directly to it when I said


Read the FAQ you keep posting. The question is a two parter. "Why do you need my contact information and the names of my course/school?" We then answer those in order. Billing (because believe it or not we've had people try to use stolen credit card data to buy papers) and the course/school info for the customization of the paper. Two parts to the question, two parts to the answer. One example is a current customer who is going to a very religious school, so that customer's history and literature papers have a strong religious bend to them.

I'm not a liar, and I'm trying to engage with you civilly, but you're very hostile. I'm simply trying to address your comments, but you keep trying to play gotcha with me, and I fail to see why. I even stated earlier, when we have customers who are uncomfortable with that information being given out, they don't have to share it. We tell them to just put Xs in that area. It helps us, but it's not a deal breaker.

You stated we need it to have leverage on people. We require papers be paid up front so that we don't pay writers only to have them cancel at the last moment. The vast majority of people understand this, and have no problem with it. We simply don't deal with the rest. If they're unhappy with a paper, we offer revisions, credits toward future orders, and two months ago I even refunded a woman her fee. If we can't make them happy, we simply part ways. As such, there's no need for us to have leverage over customers for any reason. I don't know who you dealt with in the past that gave you such a deep mistrust but it wasn't us, and I'm sorry you had such a bad experience. Not everyone is like whoever you dealt with.

There are laws about everything, but none making this line of work illegal. The most pertinent laws would be relating to identify theft/fraud and copyright. As far as copyright goes, we're work for hire, and the customers own the work once its done. Identify fraud only comes into play if we were to perform in person tests or classes, and pretend to be that person, which we do not do.

Rather than trying to play "gotcha" why not just tell me what laws you feel I'm breaking?

Writers2beware: I'm neither. The TermPaperCustom.com domain was registered in 2010, but we have been writing papers for customers since 2005. Prior to the TPC domain we had another domain that went with a former partner when she left. Before we created our custom order system in 2007 we used email to handle orders. In fact, here's a screenshot of the oldest order in our order processing system: imgur.com/6BU1DYB Note the date of May 2007. Businesses can be older than their domain names.

As for being a spammer, I saw our site talked about here, and simply refuted your claims. As for laws, I'm actually quite aware of the laws regarding this industry. Being in it means one MUST be aware of the legal environment. As you stated, ignorance of the law is no excuse. As in my years of being in this business I have yet to find such laws in my research, perhaps you'd like to back up your claim?

As it states in the text you quoted, the course/school information helps us tailor the paper to the class. If a customer is uncomfortable with that, then we let them not enter that data, which defeats the purpose of being able to "hold it over their heads". We have a custom written order processing system that includes a messaging capability, so that we have everything about the order in writing. This eliminates the "conflict" portion, as no one (not the customer, and not us) can claim something was said that wasn't.

I really have no idea why you're so hostile towards me. I'm one of the most honest people in this business. We offer a product of high quality, and we're certainly not liars. You may not like what we do, but we're honest about it.

Hi, I'm Don with TermPaperCustom. Feel free to email me for verification.

We hear a lot from customers about other services that have ripped them off. W have been around for over eight years, and have helped over a thousand customers in their academic careers. We put up a phone number so you can talk to us and hear we are not just another cut rate overseas paper mill.

What we do is completely legal. We are ghost writers, and operate completely within the law. If you are aware of a single law we may be violating, please feel free to bring it to my attention, however I do not anticipate you will find any. We create original written works for our customers, and nothing more.