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Justus  - | 21  
Feb 12, 2011 | #41
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To smirk,

You should stop assuming. In the past, writing was friendly but no more. Whether you come from Eastern Europe or Kenya is no problem. I have been scammed severally and have loathed the companies set in your country. What do I do now? Sell accounts.
pheelyks  
Feb 12, 2011 | #42
I have been scammed severally

You have "severally" scammed your customers by claiming you can write a decent paper in English. Turnabout is (almost) fair play.
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Feb 12, 2011 | #43
In the past, writing was friendly but no more.

Yes it was. It used to ask me out to lunch every other day.
Justus  - | 21  
Feb 12, 2011 | #44
You have "severally" scammed your customers by claiming you can write a decent paper in English. Turnabout is (almost) fair play.

You were almost speaking nonsense. Can you stop this stupid ideology that US writers are better than Kenyan's? By coming from US does not guarantee you superior position.
WritersBeware  
Feb 13, 2011 | #45
Every time you post, you defeat your own argument. Good job!
Justus  - | 21  
Feb 13, 2011 | #46
That's your notion.
smirk  - | 141  
Feb 14, 2011 | #48
You should stop assuming.

should i stop posting as well? some of my posts are rather entertaining and a few of them are even helpful, which doesn't apply to any of yours

Whether you come from Eastern Europe or Kenya is no problem. I have been scammed severally and have loathed the companies set in your country.

a little bit of geography: eastern europe is not a country.

the problem is that people in europe, no matter eastern or western, usually stop working when they are not paid, i suspect that people in the us do the same, but kenyans don't - check some other threads for the proof

What do I do now? Sell accounts.

i assume that soon we will see admin accounts being sold here
Justus  - | 21  
Feb 14, 2011 | #49
a little bit of geography: eastern europe is not a country

Yes, I know that.

the problem is that people in europe, no matter eastern or western, usually stop working when they are not paid, i suspect that people in the us do the same, but kenyans don't - check some other threads for the proof

Some, but majority do stop. How are Kenyan writers rated there? I personally come from Kenya.

should i stop posting as well? some of my posts are rather entertaining and a few of them are even helpful, which doesn't apply to any of yours

From what perspective did you make the judgment? Own writer, own judge? It's uncouth. Let others do it please.
WritersBeware  
Feb 14, 2011 | #50
uncouth

WOW. The thesaurus is NOT your friend.
smirk  - | 141  
Feb 14, 2011 | #51
From what perspective did you make the judgment? Own writer, own judge? It's uncouth. Let others do it please

though i have no idea what "uncouth" is supposed to mean in the given context, i'm sure you are able to provide a fair judgement

Some, but majority do stop. How are Kenyan writers rated there? I personally come from Kenya.

i hate to tell you, but in eastern europe kenyans are generally rated as a cheap workforce. guess why
avidwriter  1 | 28  
Feb 15, 2011 | #52
i hate to tell you, but in eastern europe kenyans are generally rated as a cheap workforce

Cheap or not, Kenyan writers are superb I fear if we exit the writing industry, a majority writing agencies will egress the market. They need us badly never mind they fleece us to maximize on their profits who cares $5 per page in Kenya is a fair deal!!!
smirk  - | 141  
Feb 15, 2011 | #53
I fear if we exit the writing industry, a majority writing agencies will egress the market.

this day will be worth a celebration
pheelyks  
Feb 15, 2011 | #54
Kenyan writers are superb

You need to look up "superb." While I have no doubt there are some "superb" Kenyan writers, in this context you are misapplying the term considerably--superb does not mean "barely intelligible plagiarists."

a majority writing agencies will egress the market

And what a disappointment that would be. There would only be legitimate, honest companies left....a sad day for everyone.

$5 per page in Kenya is a fair deal

This is, of course, the crux of the entire issue. As long as labor can be outsourced for ridiculously low prices, enough consumers will be duped into buying low-quality products to sustain these businesses, even if they have almost no repeat customers (on purpose, that is).
smirk  - | 141  
Feb 15, 2011 | #55
who cares $5 per page in Kenya is a fair deal!!!

what makes this deal unfair is that they charge the customers almost $40 a page and provide them with your writings
Justus  - | 21  
Feb 16, 2011 | #56
i hate to tell you, but in eastern europe kenyans are generally rated as a cheap workforce. guess why

The reason is well known to me. Kenyans are hardworking. It's also funny that they own two known writing industries! Ask me and I will quote (suppose not against the rules of this forum) Isn't it not great? I wonder what will happen suppose they quit!
smirk  - | 141  
Feb 16, 2011 | #57
Kenyans are hardworking.

care to provide at least one sample of an original, sound and not full of mistakes work done by kenyan writer?
Zandermus  1 | 52  
Feb 16, 2011 | #58
Kenyans aren't the scammers in Africa, that is the job of the Nigerians. I wouldn't be surprised if the so-called Kenyan scam companies aren't owned by Nigerians.

Strange, in Africa Kenyans aren't regarded as cheap labour, Zimbabweans are, shame.
WRT  16 | 1656 ☆☆   Company Representative
Feb 16, 2011 | #59
Ours was one of the companies which mistakenly thought to give non-native speakers a fair shake. We implemented a very strict recruitment policy. Only 6 made it through. Four of them were Kenyans. Two were Filipinos (one of whom is beyond superb). The other proved good where high school work for non-native speakers is concerned.

Back to the Kenyan writers - never ever ever ever again. Luckily we have a gap between writer and client deadlines and were able to completely rewrite what they attempted to pass off as work.

Apart from that - they literally go over the bend when their work is criticised ... They accuse us of being imperialistic scammers, threaten to bring down the wrath of whatever gods upon us and shut us down. Caught in the throes of a verbal epileptic fit, one of them even admitted that the sole reason Kenyans were now signing up as writers is to redirect clients to their sites. We passed this info onto the companies they claimed to work for and it turned out to be true - email addresses in doc properties, inserting email addresses in the work itself, etc.

So, please, carry out your threat and walk out of the industry. Even those who used to largely depend on Kenyan writers no longer do so.

Please, mention the names of the Kenyan sites. Believe me, your doing so won't be interpreted as a recommendation.

The long and short of it - different work ethics and diametrically opposed world views - communication is an exercise in futility.

Please leave the industry and stick to your Kenyan sites. Don't worry - the industry won't collapse.

Honest and hardworking?! Give me a break!

Mods - given that the ones engaging in the buying and selling of accounts are invariably Kenyan, why not make it more difficult for them by banning the country IP? Competition is one thing, criminality another ...
avidwriter  1 | 28  
Feb 16, 2011 | #60
by banning the country IP?

Unless you don't know the Internet operation protocol, A country's IP can't be banned over
cheap controversies. WE ARE HERE TO STAY.
pheelyks  
Feb 16, 2011 | #61
WE ARE HERE TO STAY.

Wow. The inspiring masses of semi-literate scammers. Someone ought to make a miniseries. Maybe we can use the same "Bring it ON" idea from before, with Eddie still appearing as the Gabrielle Union character and the Kenyans making up the rest of the Clovers.
avidwriter  1 | 28  
Feb 16, 2011 | #62
Here is my unsolicited peace of information, Kenyans are willful people. You can hate us but we are inexorable. When one door closes on us another one opens. It is the OPTIMISM,THE UNDYING SPIRIT. WHO CAN "Tunya" us. Now you can check that out in your dictionary.
WritersBeware  
Feb 16, 2011 | #63
unsolicited peace of information

I think some unsolicited violence would be more fitting.
avidwriter  1 | 28  
Feb 16, 2011 | #64
unsolicited violence

You are kidding, right?
WritersBeware  
Feb 16, 2011 | #65
No more than you are kidding with your ignorant spelling and word use . . . .
avidwriter  1 | 28  
Feb 16, 2011 | #66
Alright, you win i quit. BYE
pheelyks  
Feb 16, 2011 | #67
we are inexorable

i quit

smirk  - | 141  
Feb 16, 2011 | #68
Unless you don't know the Internet operation protocol, A country's IP can't be banned over
cheap controversies. WE ARE HERE TO STAY.

don't tell that you do it orders, please.

you have no idea of what geoip is, correct? and "iptables" hold no relevance to you as well
WRT  16 | 1656 ☆☆   Company Representative
Feb 16, 2011 | #69
Well, I must admit that I owe your countrymen a debt of gratitude. Apart from the handful of ESL writers we have (can be counted on one hand with fingers to spare), no more. This is a purely objective business decision:

1) no common culture leading to neverending communication probs
2) work which makes one want to slit one's wrists
3) juvenile responses to criticisms
4) unbelievable arrogance
5) stupid excuses for non delivery
6) even stupider justifications for the provision of trash
7) customer theft through immoral and devious means
Stick with EW but last I heard, they were also getting rid of you.

You are always threatening to bring us down by walking out and creating your own Kenyan sites. Do so. What's holding you back?

Get this straight - you pose neither competition nor threat.
smirk  - | 141  
Feb 16, 2011 | #70
let's see. whenever someone accuses kenyan writers of being unqualified, they post back screaming "we are not!111! you heartless racist!"

i offer a contest.

avidwriter, you stated that you know ip suite. why don't you bother to write just one paragraph on this topic? 3-5 sentences to prove your professionalism and knowledge of the subject.

any other kenyan writers are welcome to participate
WRT  16 | 1656 ☆☆   Company Representative
Feb 16, 2011 | #71
They also scream back: "we are a superpower! Don't underestimate us. We rule the United States. We are more intelligent than you think."

Of course, the above was communicated in a manner which bordered on the insane and hardly left a swear word out. The reason: order removed and writer fired after missing three deadlines.

Apart from the handful of ESL writers we have (can be counted on one hand with fingers to spare), no more

Meant to say,
..., we fired all but two of our ESL writers and are never again hiring any but native speakers. Topping the blacklist are the kenyans, followed by the indians and the pakistanis.
smirk  - | 141  
Feb 17, 2011 | #72
it's been a while, but none of the professional, honest and hardworking kenyan writers expressed the intention to participate in my contest.

why?
Justus  - | 21  
Feb 17, 2011 | #73
"we are a superpower! Don't underestimate us. We rule the United States. We are more intelligent than you think."

This is true and you know that.

You are always threatening to bring us down by walking out and creating your own Kenyan sites. Do so. What's holding you back?

You are mistaken. There are many ways of killing a rat. Our main targets are Australian, American, and European clients (or anybody coming from those parts of the world). They pay better. Kenyan students write their own papers. WE ARE HERE TO STAY. It is time for the US writing companies to be careful, very very cautious, a tsunami! WRT, we are in the market already and not threatening.
pheelyks  
Feb 17, 2011 | #74
It is time for the US writing companies to be careful, very very cautious, a tsunami!

Huh?

we are in the market already and not threatening.

You got that part right. Probably by accident, but still...
Justus  - | 21  
Feb 17, 2011 | #75
but still...

but still?? We are here sweeping the market, few obstacles, but we are doing well.
pheelyks  
Feb 17, 2011 | #76
We are here sweeping the market

I'm sure you make great janitors.
Justus  - | 21  
Feb 17, 2011 | #77
The game is simply. Get a US partner and set up some virtual office. Employ few Americans (phone receivers), and majority Kenyans (writers). In the process, you work for us! Don't you see we are of great importance? Do not wait for .co.ke websites. This, is not yet. Can I mention two Kenyan writing sites?
WritersBeware  
Feb 17, 2011 | #78
but still?? We are here sweeping the market, few obstacles, but we are doing well.

You're happy with crumbs. Good for you, cretin.

The game is simply.

The game is simply? Really? Please go to dictionary.com and look-up "adverb."
Justus  - | 21  
Feb 17, 2011 | #79
The game is simply? Really? Please go to dictionary.com and look-up "adverb."

I meant simple. It was a typing mistake. That's all.
pheelyks  
Feb 17, 2011 | #80
The game is simply. Get a US partner and set up some virtual office. Do not wait for .co.ke websites

I understand perfectly well how fraudulent businesses can be run in this industry, and I know that you are perfectly willing to lie to your customers about where your writers are located. This isn't new information, and you aren't some sort of evil supergenius--just another scammer with poor English skills.




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